Do we give KC the Luck deal?

[SoCalWizFan]

deanpet,

Here is something a little concerning from that article you posted:

Corry: “Well here’s the problem: You don’t have a potential replacement on the horizon. Colt McCoy? That’s not a starting quarterback. Nate Sudfeld? He’s not ready. Scot McCloughan has been very good as a talent evaluator, but he does have a spotty record at quarterback. He did help [Seahawks GM] John Schneider find Russell Wilson in Seattle, but this is also the same guy that, when he was a part of the 49ers braintrust, took Alex Smith, who’s turned into a competent quarterback, over Aaron Rodgers, who’s a first-ballot Hall of Famer.”

(Corry and Bickel also mention the deal the Seahawks signed Matt Flynn to the same offseason they drafted Wilson, often regarded as a colossal failure on Seattle’s part.)

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So SM doesn't necessarily have the best track record in selecting QBs. That should be factored into all of this. If he lets Cousins walk then the odds of finding a good replacement QB are that much worse given his history. Just a thought....

 

[deanpet21]

Dude.. if you walked into a car dealership thinking you only want to spend $20k on a car, but turns out the car you want is a $50K car, and you have to pay $50K to get it, did you over pay?? The only way you OVERPAY for anything is if the going price is less than what you end up paying for it. The going rate for QBs right now is $20M a year plus on average.... the only real factor is... whats the plus.

I realize that KC's age has a lot to do with being a 20M plus QB. SM still has to have some doubts about KC b/c he cant win the big game. All of the QB's in the 20 plus range have won a Super Bowl or won big games to get into the playoffs. As I said before this is not a slam dunk. I don't think SM will cave to KC. Just my opinion.

 

[redskinsfan]

True but KC knows that the open market is going to overpay for him. So why take what SM offers? I think he wants to test the open market.

He might want to do so. But guess what? He knows the Redskins can also franchise him again. Will the market bear a whopping deal he wants and two first rounders, especially blue chip picks because the teams seeking his services are dumpster fires (e.g., Cleveland, San Fran, and Jax)? And if he's franchised, he knows that he's in another prove-it year where he also has to bear the risk of injury once again. Let's also not mention that the places that'll need QBs like him are woeful organizations that aren't rebuilding but are basically the NFL's version of post-war Hiroshima where they're sifting through rubble before even thinking about drawing up blueprints for the team's future.

Of course, on the other hand, the team doesn't want to piss him off more than they've already done so. They'd also like some stability and certainty at that spot.

Let's hope both parties see things straight and get a deal signed sooner rather than later.

 

[deanpet21]

deanpet,

Here is something a little concerning from that article you posted:

Corry: “Well here’s the problem: You don’t have a potential replacement on the horizon. Colt McCoy? That’s not a starting quarterback. Nate Sudfeld? He’s not ready. Scot McCloughan has been very good as a talent evaluator, but he does have a spotty record at quarterback. He did help [Seahawks GM] John Schneider find Russell Wilson in Seattle, but this is also the same guy that, when he was a part of the 49ers braintrust, took Alex Smith, who’s turned into a competent quarterback, over Aaron Rodgers, who’s a first-ballot Hall of Famer.”

(Corry and Bickel also mention the deal the Seahawks signed Matt Flynn to the same offseason they drafted Wilson, often regarded as a colossal failure on Seattle’s part.)

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So SM doesn't necessarily have the best track record in selecting QBs. That should be factored into all of this. If he lets Cousins walk then the odds of finding a good replacement QB are that much worse given his history. Just a thought....

If KC walks it doesn't mean we have to find our QB in 2017. McCoy could be serviceable for one year. You give McCoy KC's weapons from last year and upgrade the oline and RB. Yes he can win 9 games.

 

[redskinsfan]

I realize that KC's age has a lot to do with being a 20M plus QB. SM still has to have some doubts about KC b/c he cant win the big game. All of the QB's in the 20 plus range have won a Super Bowl or won big games to get into the playoffs. As I said before this is not a slam dunk. I don't think SM will cave to KC. Just my opinion.

And KC had none of the supporting staff that people like Wilson had. When Wilson was a rookie, he had a monster running game featuring Marshawn Lynch, a Pro-bowl offensive line, and championship caliber defense. Since then, he's lost the o-line. Have you seen what happened to his production this year, especially in a division with some horrid teams?

 

[redskinsfan]

If KC walks it doesn't mean we have to find our QB in 2017. McCoy could be serviceable for one year. You give McCoy KC's weapons from last year and upgrade the oline and RB. Yes he can win 9 games.

Does that include pre-season games? That's simply insane, man.

 

[deanpet21]

He might want to do so. But guess what? He knows the Redskins can also franchise him again. Will the market bear a whopping deal he wants and two first rounders, especially blue chip picks because the teams seeking his services are dumpster fires (e.g., Cleveland, San Fran, and Jax)? And if he's franchised, he knows that he's in another prove-it year where he also has to bear the risk of injury once again. Let's also not mention that the places that'll need QBs like him are woeful organizations that aren't rebuilding but are basically the NFL's version of post-war Hiroshima where they're sifting through rubble before even thinking about drawing up blueprints for the team's future.

Of course, on the other hand, the team doesn't want to piss him off more than they've already done so. They'd also like some stability and certainty at that spot.

Let's hope both parties see things straight and get a deal signed sooner rather than later.

If Kyle Shanny gets the Denver or SF job then it will work in our favor. KC will not sign a friendly long term deal for the Skins. He thinks he has the Skins over a barrel and is going to give them a crazy long term offer. Sm might call his bluff

 

[Stymietee]

I think he wants to test the open market.

Dead on.....especially once you consider that he was a 4th round draft pick who was drafted to be a backup. Nothing say "Love ya man" like testing the market when you're in demand and seeing how far out interested players can pucker up and add zeroes to a proposed check!

 

[deanpet21]

Does that include pre-season games? That's simply insane, man.

Not really. Think about it. Look at the money they could spend to upgrade both sides of the ball. McCoy is a serviceable player.

 

[redskinsfan]

If Kyle Shanny gets the Denver or SF job then it will work in our favor. KC will not sign a friendly long term deal for the Skins. He thinks he has the Skins over a barrel and is going to give them a crazy long term offer. Sm might call his bluff

Why will that work in our favor if Kyle goes to SF? That would increase his bargaining power. Again, the prospect of a tag is the (only) leverage we've got on him. And a Luck or Luck-plus deal won't hurt us as bad as you're imagining.

 

[Sharkinva]

If KC walks it doesn't mean we have to find our QB in 2017. McCoy could be serviceable for one year. You give McCoy KC's weapons from last year and upgrade the oline and RB. Yes he can win 9 games.

Blllshit... If McCoy were that good, he would have gotten a starting gig, or at least a chance to compete for a starting Gig instead of resigning here. McCoy is viewed as strictly a backup by the entire NFL. But he does fit the ABC mindset.

 

[redskinsfan]

Dead on.....especially once you consider that he was a 4th round draft pick who was drafted to be a backup. Nothing say "Love ya man" like testing the market when you're in demand and seeing how far out interested players can pucker up and add zeroes to a proposed check!

He also wants to do so after getting disrespected by the team('s front office).

 

[deanpet21]

Why will that work in our favor if Kyle goes to SF? That would increase his bargaining power. Again, the prospect of a tag is the (only) leverage we've got on him. And a Luck or Luck-plus deal won't hurt us as bad as you're imagining.

b/c if we tag KC we could get the necessary draft picks from Kyle to make the trade.

 

[deanpet21]

Blllshit... If McCoy were that good, he would have gotten a starting gig, or at least a chance to compete for a starting Gig instead of resigning here. McCoy is viewed as strictly a backup by the entire NFL. But he does fit the ABC mindset.

I didn't say good. I said serviceable with great weapons around him.

 

[redskinsfan]

Not really. Think about it. Look at the money they could spend to upgrade both sides of the ball. McCoy is a serviceable player.

Insane. If the Redskins give Cuz more than what Luck got, they'd still have plenty under the cap to spend on other signings. Right now, they're $62M under. Cutting people like D-Hall, Lichstenteiger and Lauvao will push that to more than $72M. If Kirk's cap number this year is, say, $21M (which would be a pretty liberal estimate), we've still got $51M to spend.

 

[redskinsfan]

b/c if we tag KC we could get the necessary draft picks from Kyle to make the trade.

Huh?!

 

[redskinsfan]

I didn't say good. I said serviceable with great weapons around him.

You're assuming that we're going to get "great" weapons. In this league, you need a QB to compete. With Cuz, you've got one and, more importantly, you've got a known product.

Unbelievable.

 

[deanpet21]

Insane. If the Redskins give Cuz more than what Luck got, they'd still have plenty under the cap to spend on other signings. Right now, they're $62M under. Cutting people like D-Hall, Lichstenteiger and Lauvao will push that to more than $72M. If Kirk's cap number this year is, say, $21M (which would be a pretty liberal estimate), we've still got $51M to spend.

But we don't know what that number is. So its useless to argue about it. Im just not sold on the player.

 

[Sharkinva]

b/c if we tag KC we could get the necessary draft picks from Kyle to make the trade.

Except Denver dropped a first rounder on Lynch last year. NO way does Elway give up on one first rounder AND give up two more to get Cousins.

Kyle Shanahan has made 4 QBs look good, reserected Matt Ryan when people were wondering if he was falling off a cliff.

Despite your desire to run Kirk out because you think he isnt worth the money.... Im thinking Kyle Shanahan IS good enough to turn Lynch into his next golden boy... so no need to give up two first rounders for Kirk only for us to trade them away for trubisky.

 

[deanpet21]

You're assuming that we're going to get "great" weapons. In this league, you need a QB to compete. With Cuz, you've got one and, more importantly, you've got a known product.

Unbelievable.

Im assuming everyone comes back and fix the needs on the offense and defense.