College Athlete Compensation

[FSUmanager]

The hell it's not his property. If it wasn't, the school would take it back when he graduates. If you give a jersey to a kid, one that he's not required to give back and that is his to keep, it's his property. If your parents bought you a sweater you didn't like, would you not be free to go return it, or would you have to give it back to them because "they purchased said sweater"?

Ummm parents/university. The jersey actually belongs to the university and the tax payers of the state if a state funded school. The jersey was purchased with their money and not a MAN who is 18 yrs of age or older.

I know FSU does not allow the players to keep jerseys after bowl games because they are SPECIAL EDITION JERSEYS!!! Also the player does not have 1 jersey his entire career. You also put a caveat in there. ONCE HE GRADUATES!!! Once he is no longer a STUDENT ATHLETE guess what the NCAA rules no longer apply to him. As long as he is a member of the team the uniforms are the property of the school. It is that plain and simple.

 

[FSUmanager]

Forget giving the kids paychecks, forget letting them sell their autographs, and forget giving them a lump sum payment when they graduate...

These players want to be able to get some new clothes every few months, they want to have something to eat other than ramen noodles, and maybe they want a new pair of headphones or a new iphone every year, and I think we should help them get this stuff without giving them a paycheck.

Lets give these guys gift cards to radioshack, food joints/restaurants around town, grocery stores, and shoe stores every few months or semester, probably wanna make the grocery store card a monthly thing, but lets put a limit on these cards of 100-200 dollars each time. If we can do this and limit it do a certain point, then all schools will be able to do this without the bigger schools being able to throw around more cash around and have an advantage.

That's not a perfect idea, but maybe someone smarter than me can take that and make something that would work out of it.

COme on man. Really you think the Alabama football players or ANY football players at Div 1 schools are eating Ramen Noodles? HEll to the NO!!! They are eating very well.

 

[rolltide14_0]

COme on man. Really you think the Alabama football players or ANY football players at Div 1 schools are eating Ramen Noodles? HEll to the NO!!! They are eating very well.

Then take away the food thing, keep the rest. I mean they're getting a free education, I can't see paying them to play, but I can see giving them a little bit for clothes and shoes.

If we start paying these guys...what is the free education for?

 

[Droopdog51]

College athletes should NOT be paid. No way, no how. Coming from an ex-sholarship athlete, here are my reasons:

1) They are already getting enough. I do not care about the argument that the college is making money off them. Don't give a single fuck about it. People in the business world do free internships all the time. Why? To get their foot in the door of an amazing opportunity. They are guaranteed nothing except experience and opportunity. Scholarship athletes are getting a free internship to the pros; They are getting fame and notoriety; They are getting free training and experience and use of facilities; They are getting room and board; They are getting to play the sport they love; And they are getting a free education. It's insulting to ask for more.

2) The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This is what will happen. I for one love that the smaller schools at least have a chance to compete on any given year. If we start paying, the schools with the most money and biggest boosters will rule the day.

3) It should be about more than money. A young 17 year old kid's life altering decision should be about more than who can pay him the most. What about staying close to family? Or the quality of education? Or the coaching staff you love most? Etc.... These kids are just about to learn how to weight pros and cons, and how to move forward in their lives. We are now going to corrupt that process by throwing dollar bills at it. Disgusting!

I can go on and on with others like slippery slope, etc... that have already been mentioned by others. Point is, high school sports is your chance to earn a free education and a free internship to the pros. Once you achieve that, college sports are about earning the right to get paid.

I would add that there is no way to inforce any rules. Face it, someone will always cheat the system. Wether its getting paid for not working or getting a gand a week to turn off the lights at the stadium, someway, somehow, someone will abuse the rules.

I had friends in college that were scholarship athletes. It was great that they had everything paid for, but they didn't have any pocket money. It was't at a big school that had the $100 handshake parties. the only thing I could see having a chance to be fair would be to trrat it as a job for the school and pay them for practice as hours worked. Pay them the same wage as any other student just to let them have some walking around money.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Ummm parents/university. The jersey actually belongs to the university and the tax payers of the state if a state funded school. The jersey was purchased with their money and not a MAN who is 18 yrs of age or older.

I know FSU does not allow the players to keep jerseys after bowl games because they are SPECIAL EDITION JERSEYS!!! Also the player does not have 1 jersey his entire career. You also put a caveat in there. ONCE HE GRADUATES!!! Once he is no longer a STUDENT ATHLETE guess what the NCAA rules no longer apply to him. As long as he is a member of the team the uniforms are the property of the school. It is that plain and simple.

Show me where it says that property given to a student doesn't become his until he graduates/goes pro/leaves the school, then.

 

[Sox33OSU]

there is for the top 20 programs

Come on man, there are rich alumni from every college in the FBS. Hell, Dan Gilbert went to Wayne State.

Or you could do the easy thing and set a dollar amt.

 

[4down20]

Then take away the food thing, keep the rest. I mean they're getting a free education, I can't see paying them to play, but I can see giving them a little bit for clothes and shoes.

If we start paying these guys...what is the free education for?

They do get money for clothes.

 

[MellowYellow]

Every single school in the FBS has wealthy boosters, so it's not like there's some sort of unfair advantage.

Pass me that shit you're smoking

 

[FSUmanager]

Show me where it says that property given to a student doesn't become his until he graduates/goes pro/leaves the school, then.

Tattoo gate. Did they not trade their rings for tattoos? Prime example and the newest one. Those players were ALL ACTIVE NCAA athletes. Hence the suspensions. It is against the rules while you are an active student athlete.

The schools provide the jerseys for games, media events, and so on. They do not provide them so the athlete can sign them and sell them. And the OP said specific jerseys like Bowl Game jerseys. And I responded to that, but this is also for ANY jersey or helmet. The items are provided for use while a student at said university. When the athlete's playing days are over whether through graduation or leaving for the NFL and the university gives the jersey to them as a gift then it would not be against NCAA regulations for them to sell said item. As long as the player is an active member of the team it is against NCAA rules for them to RECEIVE MONEY for signing things.

 

[MellowYellow]

They do get money for clothes.

Not to mention actually getting free shoes and clothes too

Paying players would end college sports.

 

[FSUmanager]

Then take away the food thing, keep the rest. I mean they're getting a free education, I can't see paying them to play, but I can see giving them a little bit for clothes and shoes.

If we start paying these guys...what is the free education for?

Too the other items. There is a difference between a WANT and a NEED. The university supplies everything that they need. Room, food, clothes, education, stipend, and so on. Anything else on top of that is a want and is not warranted. If an athlete wants a new iphone every year or new headphones for their MP3 players guess what. They have family and Christmas is every single December. The family can purchase those items for them.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Tattoo gate. Did they not trade their rings for tattoos? Prime example and the newest one. Those players were ALL ACTIVE NCAA athletes. Hence the suspensions. It is against the rules while you are an active student athlete.

The schools provide the jerseys for games, media events, and so on. They do not provide them so the athlete can sign them and sell them. And the OP said specific jerseys like Bowl Game jerseys. And I responded to that, but this is also for ANY jersey or helmet. The items are provided for use while a student at said university. When the athlete's playing days are over whether through graduation or leaving for the NFL and the university gives the jersey to them as a gift then it would not be against NCAA regulations for them to sell said item. As long as the player is an active member of the team it is against NCAA rules for them to RECEIVE MONEY for signing things.

I'm aware of the NCAA rules, but this entire thread is about changing them. Like I said, it isn't like if an OSU player had his Gold Pants from the Michigan win or a B1G Championship Ring stolen, the university would file a report for it's own missing property, the player would, because it belongs to him.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Pass me that shit you're smoking

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a school like Arizona State or Boise State has more wealthy alumni than academic institutions like Vanderbilt or Rice?

 

[FSUmanager]

I'm aware of the NCAA rules, but this entire thread is about changing them. Like I said, it isn't like if an OSU player had his Gold Pants from the Michigan win or a B1G Championship Ring stolen, the university would file a report for it's own missing property, the player would, because it belongs to him.

If the university tells the athlete that this jersey, pants, and helmet are his once he leaves the university then I have no problem with that. The point of paying players is a moot one because they are very well compensated. No need to change them from amateur athletes to professional. Which is exactly what would happen if you started paying players in any way, shape, or form. Just rename it the NFL farm league and let the NFL deal with it.

They receive a stipend already. The only way I would like to see a change is for the scholarship to be for 4 years and not year to year. With that guaranteed 4 yrs they must adhere to a strict code to keep said scholarship. Not some of the crap that goes on now.

 

[FSUmanager]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a school like Arizona State or Boise State has more wealthy alumni than academic institutions like Vanderbilt or Rice?

What they are saying is that schools like ND, UM, OSU, UF, BAMA, USC, Oregon, and so on have MANY more wealthy booster an alumn do to the size of the university. And yes this is true.

 

[rolltide14_0]

They do get money for clothes.

Too the other items. There is a difference between a WANT and a NEED. The university supplies everything that they need. Room, food, clothes, education, stipend, and so on. Anything else on top of that is a want and is not warranted. If an athlete wants a new iphone every year or new headphones for their MP3 players guess what. They have family and Christmas is every single December. The family can purchase those items for them.

Well if they already get all that shit then we all need to quit talking about this, they get paid enough. I thought that was what this was all about.

 

[Sox33OSU]

If the university tells the athlete that this jersey, pants, and helmet are his once he leaves the university then I have no problem with that. The point of paying players is a moot one because they are very well compensated. No need to change them from amateur athletes to professional. Which is exactly what would happen if you started paying players in any way, shape, or form. Just rename it the NFL farm league and let the NFL deal with it.

They receive a stipend already. The only way I would like to see a change is for the scholarship to be for 4 years and not year to year. With that guaranteed 4 yrs they must adhere to a strict code to keep said scholarship. Not some of the crap that goes on now.

Then just give them these items when they leave the team.

What they are saying is that schools like ND, UM, OSU, UF, BAMA, USC, Oregon, and so on have MANY more wealthy booster an alumn do to the size of the university. And yes this is true.

This is a quantity vs. quality thing. I bet there are plenty of people with degrees from Bama tending bar out there. Probably not as much when it comes to somewhere like Northwestern. You can get a degree in about anything at places like NW, Vandy, Duke, or Cal and get a really good job right away. There are more than enough millionaire alums from those schools to buy a few jerseys every year, believe me.

 

[FSUmanager]

Then just give them these items when they leave the team.



This is a quantity vs. quality thing. I bet there are plenty of people with degrees from Bama tending bar out there. Probably not as much when it comes to somewhere like Northwestern. You can get a degree in about anything at places like NW, Vandy, Duke, or Cal and get a really good job right away. There are more than enough millionaire alums from those schools to buy a few jerseys every year, believe me.

It is about quantity. The number of people that have gone through each university I named versus say Vandy, NW, Boise, and so on is the difference. It is a shear numbers game on this. I am just telling you that overall you will have more wealthy people from those big, substantial schools than from smaller schools like Vandy, NW, Wake, and so on.

What they are talking about are the schools like Iowa State, Boise, Kansa State, Illinois, Mississippi State who will be at s distinct advantage compared to the big schools who have absolutely MASSIVE amounts of boosters and alumni.

As far as the items I can get on board with that. Allow them to have them once the leave the university through graduation or NFL draft. That is very acceptable to me. I do not agree with them having them to sell while still a member of the team or university.

 

[Tharvot]

I am 100% against it.

It is going to be nearly impossible to regulate. It opens the door for a million different lawsuits for the school (how happy are the women bb players going to be when they are paid 1/100th of what the starting QB is paid?). How is it going to be retro-fit for former athletes?

More than anything else, it is going to open the floodgates for a recruiting nightmare.

Can you imagine a situation where Joe Booster can buy a signed jersey from JFFB for 100k? I can. How about if Joe Booster really thinks Johnny's brother's high school jersey is neat too and buys that from him? Cash on delivery when you sign your LOI.

 

[MellowYellow]

Too the other items. There is a difference between a WANT and a NEED. The university supplies everything that they need. Room, food, clothes, education, stipend, and so on. Anything else on top of that is a want and is not warranted. If an athlete wants a new iphone every year or new headphones for their MP3 players guess what. They have family and Christmas is every single December. The family can purchase those items for them.

Or make a bowl game. Usually it's part of the packages given to players.