College Athlete Compensation

[#1BostonFan]

A lot of them get paid anyways, not sure why we don't pay them. Going to school and what they have to do in practice, film and travel is more then a full time job. Just pay them already. I get why people think you shouldn't pay them, but they can't hold down a job. How do they buy anything? Food isn't the only thing these kids need.

 

[MellowYellow]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a school like Arizona State or Boise State has more wealthy alumni than academic institutions like Vanderbilt or Rice?

No, I am saying the opposite. Plus, some schools with wealthy alumni aren't really into football. SDSU has the a lot of successful alumni in the business world. The founders of Rudios, Jack N a Box and Costco for example. However, not many of them care enough to donate millions for football like an SEC school.

 

[#1BostonFan]

I mean let's be crazy and think a college kids can go to school full time, everything college food demands and work, when does he work? During his school hours or practice? Oh after practice? When does he sleep or do homework or study? Gotta get real.

 

[#1BostonFan]

I mean how do these kids buy clothes for 4 years? Does the schools buy the clothes too? Not all these kids come from families who can buy the clothes and the kids can't work? Hmmm wonder where these kids get clothes $$$.

 

[Sox33OSU]

It is about quantity. The number of people that have gone through each university I named versus say Vandy, NW, Boise, and so on is the difference. It is a shear numbers game on this. I am just telling you that overall you will have more wealthy people from those big, substantial schools than from smaller schools like Vandy, NW, Wake, and so on.

What they are talking about are the schools like Iowa State, Boise, Kansa State, Illinois, Mississippi State who will be at s distinct advantage compared to the big schools who have absolutely MASSIVE amounts of boosters and alumni.

As far as the items I can get on board with that. Allow them to have them once the leave the university through graduation or NFL draft. That is very acceptable to me. I do not agree with them having them to sell while still a member of the team or university.

Holy shit, we agree on something.

As far as the other schools go, though, we're not talking about buying thousands of items, we're only talking about buying items from maybe 50 guy that are even worth a rip. Are you telling me there aren't 50 wealthy guys from Kansas State, or 50 wealthy Kansas State fans, who would pay for that?

Also, we know Mississippi State has no problem forking over the $$ to players....

 

[4down20]

I mean how do these kids buy clothes for 4 years? Does the schools buy the clothes too? Not all these kids come from families who can buy the clothes and the kids can't work? Hmmm wonder where these kids get clothes $$$.

If a kid is poor and qualifies for a pell grant, they get a good bit of money financially. It's how they pay for cars and such that everyone is always wanting to pretend like they are too poor to own.

$5500 a year for pell grant that doesn't have to be paid back(more than enough to pay for a year of car payments and insurance).

$500 a year for clothes.

Money for gas if they need to go home or take a vacation.

If they don't live in a dorm, they can get about $8,000 a year for housing. So like when you see players who have kids and a family, they often live in their own apt/house.

Football Players Receive $17,000 Annually in Cash, all within NCAA Rules « HolyTurf

 

[Sox33OSU]

If a kid is poor and qualifies for a pell grant, they get a good bit of money financially. It's how they pay for cars and such that everyone is always wanting to pretend like they are too poor to own.

$5500 a year for pell grant that doesn't have to be paid back(more than enough to pay for a year of car payments and insurance).

$500 a year for clothes.

Money for gas if they need to go home or take a vacation.

If they don't live in a dorm, they can get about $8,000 a year for housing. So like when you see players who have kids and a family, they often live in their own apt/house.

Football Players Receive $17,000 Annually in Cash, all within NCAA Rules « HolyTurf

Something I've always wondered, about the housing side -- if a player has a girlfriend who is, say, a nurse a maybe a couple of years older. She can afford a place on her own, most likely. Can he live with her and have her pay all the rent and utilities, or is that a violation?

 

[4down20]

Something I've always wondered, about the housing side -- if a player has a girlfriend who is, say, a nurse a maybe a couple of years older. She can afford a place on her own, most likely. Can he live with her and have her pay all the rent and utilities, or is that a violation?

Atleast half unless they are married would be my guess, but I don't know for sure. It might not even matter how much the costs are.

 

[HizzleRocker]

I mean how do these kids buy clothes for 4 years? Does the schools buy the clothes too? Not all these kids come from families who can buy the clothes and the kids can't work? Hmmm wonder where these kids get clothes $$$.

1) They bring clothes from home;
2) They get various forms of financial aid;
3) They get issued team athletic apparel, including work out shorts, t-shirts, sweats, etc...
4) They get whatever help from family they can;
5) They can have summer jobs and save up.

I agree this is all tougher for some kids from some families - but it is do-able. College kids in general live poor, and the athletes live better than most. Tough it out for 4 years, play by the rules, and take advantage of the opportunities you are given: And the WORST thing that happens is you graduate college for free while playing a sport you love. Now go get a good job and have the memories.

 

[podsox]

mr bilas is so outspoken and finds it to be a crime despite getting his paycheck covering these kids

 

[FSUmanager]

Holy shit, we agree on something.

As far as the other schools go, though, we're not talking about buying thousands of items, we're only talking about buying items from maybe 50 guy that are even worth a rip. Are you telling me there aren't 50 wealthy guys from Kansas State, or 50 wealthy Kansas State fans, who would pay for that?

Also, we know Mississippi State has no problem forking over the $$ to players....

The smaller schools might have a few millionaires. But they cannot compare to the big Traditional Schools and their booster and alumni donations. Look at the guy at UM who gave 100 million. I can tell you that FSU does not have anyone that can give that. It took almost 5 years of asking boosters and alumni to get 15 million for the new indoor practice facility. These smaller schools do not stand a chance compared to the big boys.

As far as agreeing. Even a broken clock(YOU) is right 2 times a day.

 

[TexasExes98]

No, no, no, they do not deserved to get paid and I don't give a shit if the school is making millions off of the players. Not sure how many people on this board went to a big university where football is king and if you did, then you know these athletes do not deserve to get paid. THEY ARE NOT STARVING!!! Don't fall for that bullshit cliche'. They live like kings. These guys eat better than the regular student and it's not even close (steaks, chicken, seafood, etc every single night) and eat even better when traveling on the road. Speaking of traveling on the road, do you think Longhorn, Bama, LSU, USC, tOSU, etc football players are staying at the local Motel 6? Fuck no. They are staying at your 4 Diamond/Resort hotels. Oh, and if they go out to the bars or decide to go to a restaurant, more than likely, they're not paying the tab. If they do pay the tab, they're using their "handshake" money, WHICH HAPPENS AT EVERY FUCKING PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY (don't be naïve). I haven't even mentioned the free apparel these guys get that would cost you and I thousands of dollars to purchase over a 3-4 span. I saw the average scholarship at a major program like Texas, OU, Bama, tOSU, etc is averaging $150K, so there is no need to pay them one penny. Trust me, they are well taken care of; at least at The University of Texas they are well taken care of.

To close this out, I've said this time and time again, if you pay the football players, then you should pay the regular students, too, b/c in the long run, the regular students will give back more money to the school's endowment than what any football player/program will ever make for the school. If dickheads like Johnny Football do not like the rules, then don't sign the scholly and play college football; plain and simple. Keep in mind, if it ever becomes legal to pay CFB players, then you will have the same 5 teams who will be playing for the NC every year b/c maybe 5-8 programs would be able to afford this.......

 

[Clayton]

They live like kings.

All that needs to be said about the issue

 

[TexasExes98]

All that needs to be said about the issue

EXACTLY!!!! Regarding these "handshakes", I remember being a kid and my dad and a few of his college buddies would have football players from their alma mater (I won't say which school!) mow their yards over the summer for about $300-$500 each time. Some of these players were mowing 5-6 yards a week or "water" flowers, averaging over a grand a week for the summer. I'm not talking about acres of yard either, something that you might pay $50 each time....That's what I mean about these players are never, ever hurting.....

 

[Midnightangel]

College athletes are already getting paid.

I hear this so often, "Should college athletes get paid?"

My answer is, 'They already are'.

Tutition can be as much as 100K for four years. If you get a full ride scholorship, you're geting paid 100K worth of free education.

Steve Young is a great example. He graduated from BYU with a law degree. Why did he choose law? In case he went to the NFL and blew his knee on the first snap of his career. He got a law degree and all he had to do was play some football. Cool, huh?

That degree in business management that "Mr. Irrelevant" got? Other kids had to fork over actual money for that. Or to be more accurate, their parents did.

It's an exchange of good and services - they're just giving the kids what they went to college for....an education.

Now if you choose to get a degree in ball room dancing or under water basket weaving just to keep your GPA up so you can play ball, that's on you. You're going to head out into the world with a pretty worthless degree, but that was your choice.

If you want to pay college athletes actual money, fine....then make them pay for their tuition and all the other stuff they get for free.

 

[757Hokie83]

 

[Smart]

I hear this so often, "Should college athletes get paid?"

My answer is, 'They already are'.

Tutition can be as much as 100K for four years. If you get a full ride scholorship, you're geting paid 100K worth of free education.

Steve Young is a great example. He graduated from BYU with a law degree. Why did he choose law? In case he went to the NFL and blew his knee on the first snap of his career. He got a law degree and all he had to do was play some football. Cool, huh?

Um, yeah, it can be A LOT more than that. There are public schools that cost more than that.

 

[Midnightangel]

Um, yeah, it can be A LOT more than that. There are public schools that cost more than that.

Depends upon where you go and what your degree is in and how long you have to go.

It can be a LOT more or it can be a LOT less.

But the more money it costs you the more you're getting out of your free ride - or even partial ride - scholorship.

 

[Goldbug]

When I went to college, I was able to get a boat load of academic scholarship help and it felt good to know I was able to get by with odd jobs and some money I had put away. I was friends with a lot of the guys playing football at OU and it amazed me how damn easy it was for them to get a full ride for their education. Yea, they "had" to play football to get their scholarships but I never heard anyone bitching about it. They felt lucky they were good enough athletes to play a sport they loved at a school where they won championships. The fringe benefits of being popular, getting off easy on traffic tickets, etc. were just a given. Now the attitude is pay me?! On top of a free ride? No way. Nobody is starving to death playing major college football. But plenty of kids (both men and women) are draining their parents, working shitty jobs and borrowing a lot of money to get an education while some (not all) of the people fortunate enough to be able to play sports don't appreciate how lucky they truly are. So....quit the fucking team already and do what everyone else is doing to get their education if being a student/athlete is too hard for you!

 

[TonyTheGator]

The Death of CFB

Some football players from Georgia, Georgia Tech and Northwestern had the letters APU – All Players United – written on their gear during Saturday's games as a show of solidarity that organizers hope will lead to changes in the NCAA.
National College Players Association, an advocacy group for college athletes, organized All Players United and launched the campaign Saturday with an announcement on its web site.

Georgia Tech quarterback Vad Lee had APU written on his wrist tape, as did several other Yellow Jackets during their 28-20 home win against North Carolina that was televised on ESPN.
Georgia Tech defensive end Jeremiah Attaochu also had APU written on his wrists and said he heard about the plan from a teammate before the game.
"It was briefly explained to me before the game," Attaochu said. "It's a campaign for NCAA reform."
ESPN reported that Northwestern quarterback Kain Colter also had APU written on his wrist tape, and some Georgia offensive linemen had it written on their gear.
NCPA, founded by former UCLA football player Ramogi Huma, has been pushing for better health care of college athletes, more scholarship money, and to lift NCAA restrictions on legitimate employment and the players' ability to directly benefit from commercial opportunities.
The NCPA says the goals of the All Players United campaign are:
_ Demonstrate unity among college athletes and fans from different campuses seeking NCAA reform.
_ Show support for the players who joined concussion lawsuits against the NCAA.
_ Show support for the players who joined the O'Bannon v. NCAA, EA Sports lawsuit regarding the use of players' images/likeliness.
_ Stand behind individual players being harmed by NCAA rules.
_ Direct a portion of over $1 billion in new TV revenue to guarantee basic protections, including guaranteed scholarship renewals for permanently injured players.

"As a higher education association, the NCAA supports open and civil debate regarding all aspects of college athletics," NCAA Director of Public and Media Relations Stacey Osburn said in a statement Saturday night. "Student-athletes across all 23 sports provide an important voice in discussions as NCAA members offer academic and athletic opportunities to help the more than 450,000 student-athletes achieve their full potential."

All Players United: College Football Players Show Solidarity With Letters 'APU'