Cincinnati Coronas Hockey

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Breaking: US sends garbage to Canada

 

[jstewismybastardson]

These headlines will surely rile up the douchebags calling the vaccine poison !!!



/ lets go to the story !!!

 

[jstewismybastardson]

On that note the pharmacists here at the surrey costco pharmacy were approaching people lined up at closing last night asking them if they wanted the astrazeneca shot as they had a batch that was expiring

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

My SO works in clinical trials so if you'll forgive a bit of a "cool story bro" rant regarding the blood clots thing, here goes...

Literally anything bad that happens to a person during a trial is recorded and examined to determine if it could be linked to the medicine. And I mean anything. Trip and fall down the stairs...maybe the medicine made them dizzy. Car accident....maybe it caused blackouts or impairs judgment or reaction times.

Under normal circumstances, all of that gets weeded out during the trials process (i.e., does correlation = causation). But clinical trials are obviously limited in their ability to detect everything, with the rarer the side effect, the less likely it would manifest in the trial.

But when a medicine is granted an emergency use authorization (and let me emphasize here: NO STEPS GET SKIPPED), the general expectation is that the authorization is granted with the understanding that if anything bad happens to the people on it, it should be pulled until a full analysis has been performed.

Even with it being such a small number, temporarily pausing the rollout is generally the right thing to do. If, after thorough examination, they determine there is a risk, no matter how minute, they then can make the decision to either pull it entirely (say... Vioxx) or to add it as a potential side effect.

I know our Canadian friends here aren't used to having every other commercial on TV be for a prescription med, but when they read off the list of side effects, they often list "including death" or some similar statement. If even one person died while taking the medicine and they can't definitely say they DIDN'T die from it, it has to be listed as a potential side effect. It's then up to the doctor and patient to decide if the risk is low enough to still warrant taking it.

So in this case, they have to determine if those blood clots are a result of the vaccine or just a coincidence. If a result of the vaccine, it has to be listed as a possible side effect before it can return to market. That doesn't mean that it's unsafe for the overwhelming majority of people, but that's following the proper protocols.

/End rant

 

[jstewismybastardson]

My SO works in clinical trials so if you'll forgive a bit of a "cool story bro" rant regarding the blood clots thing, here goes...

Literally anything bad that happens to a person during a trial is recorded and examined to determine if it could be linked to the medicine. And I mean anything. Trip and fall down the stairs...maybe the medicine made them dizzy. Car accident....maybe it caused blackouts or impairs judgment or reaction times.

Under normal circumstances, all of that gets weeded out during the trials process (i.e., does correlation = causation). But clinical trials are obviously limited in their ability to detect everything, with the rarer the side effect, the less likely it would manifest in the trial.

But when a medicine is granted an emergency use authorization (and let me emphasize here: NO STEPS GET SKIPPED), the general expectation is that the authorization is granted with the understanding that if anything bad happens to the people on it, it should be pulled until a full analysis has been performed.

Even with it being such a small number, temporarily pausing the rollout is generally the right thing to do. If, after thorough examination, they determine there is a risk, no matter how minute, they then can make the decision to either pull it entirely (say... Vioxx) or to add it as a potential side effect.

I know our Canadian friends here aren't used to having every other commercial on TV be for a prescription med, but when they read off the list of side effects, they often list "including death" or some similar statement. If even one person died while taking the medicine and they can't definitely say they DIDN'T die from it, it has to be listed as a potential side effect. It's then up to the doctor and patient to decide if the risk is low enough to still warrant taking it.

So in this case, they have to determine if those blood clots are a result of the vaccine or just a coincidence. If a result of the vaccine, it has to be listed as a possible side effect before it can return to market. That doesn't mean that it's unsafe for the overwhelming majority of people, but that's following the proper protocols.

/End rant

I understand the procedures and necessary oversight protocols as you laid out. But the drug makers and regulatory bodies are in unison saying the greater good is being served by these vaccines even though at the same time they temporarily pull/hold back their use. This is where my rant begins ...

the headline (“30 blood clot cases”!!!) gets captured and blown up by the fringe loons out there to say this drug is poison ... most of those loons are the same people who said “99% of those that get covid survive so covid is all a hoax/nothingburger and its acceptable that 1% die”

But THiS vAcCInE iS PoISoN !?!?!

 

[jstewismybastardson]

On that note ... i wonder if the canucks got their hands on some “Bam” and thats what the player on iv is receiving

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1880648259976/

 

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[elocomotive]

meanwhile in America... 38,000 people without masks packed into a baseball stadium. Ya know, since cases are rising, variants could be growing, and while case numbers (though down) are still well above what we saw in the fist several months of this thing.

fucking absurd.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

No shit.

 

[dash]

No shit.

It's a fluid situation (or more specifically a droplet situation).

 

[dare2be]

Warehouses and factories don't have the general public coming in and out to spread the outbreaks further into the community. The risk for public community spread was much higher with customers coming and going. The fact that restaurants and retail have fared better proves that the mitigation efforts were effective. Yes, there should have been more done in factories and other industries but those areas still had much less of an impact compared to what unmitigated public restaurants and retail establishments would have been.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Warehouses and factories don't have the general public coming in and out to spread the outbreaks further into the community. The risk for public community spread was much higher with customers coming and going. The fact that restaurants and retail have fared better proves that the mitigation efforts were effective. Yes, there should have been more done in factories and other industries but those areas still had much less of an impact compared to what unmitigated public restaurants and retail establishments would have been.

Not sure what these places are like down there but here warehouse and factory employees are much more likely to be South Asian or Black and those communities here tend to live in multi-family households with plenty of children who then spread the virus in schools to other households that wouldn't normally be at risk given the above parameters. South Asian households also tend to be the ones holding the underground weddings with hundreds to thousands of people that shot up numbers last fall and appear to be doing so again this spring.

Anyway, I'm not saying restaurants should be open during these surges but the fact they aren't while these other industries continue to work without pause despite massive evidence of spread within them is very wrong.

 

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I have to say it was pretty depressing seeing all the non-essential travel that was happening on BC Ferries this past weekend.

 

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Meanwhile in the Maritimes...

 

[elocomotive]

Warehouses and factories don't have the general public coming in and out to spread the outbreaks further into the community. The risk for public community spread was much higher with customers coming and going. The fact that restaurants and retail have fared better proves that the mitigation efforts were effective. Yes, there should have been more done in factories and other industries but those areas still had much less of an impact compared to what unmitigated public restaurants and retail establishments would have been.

Yeah, we need tomatoes put in containers and chicken to meet basic food demands. Nobody NEEDS to go to TGIFriday's to meet that need. Therein lies the difference when that Tweet asks "So why is Ontario focusing on restaurants, salons and retailers?" How can a major newspaper be that obtuse. It just gets so tiring with how fucking stupid people are.

You know what?

Hey Thanos...

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Yeah, we need tomatoes put in containers and chicken to meet basic food demands. Nobody NEEDS to go to TGIFriday's to meet that need. Therein lies the difference when that Tweet asks "So why is Ontario focusing on restaurants, salons and retailers?" How can I major newspaper be that obtuse. It just gets so tiring with how fucking stupid people are.

You know what?

Hey Thanos...

Weve had a couple restaurants here defy provincial health orders over the weekend in response to a ban on in restaurant dining in very public maga like fashion.

Not sure what these fuckfaces dont get. You cant wear a mask while eating. That makes exposure risk much higher there. The true essential services being performed in industrial settings are still seeing spread with the tightest attempts at mitigation.

So they see spread happening in these industrial settings and think “see our restaurants should be open!!” Wtf

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Yeah, we need tomatoes put in containers and chicken to meet basic food demands. Nobody NEEDS to go to TGIFriday's to meet that need. Therein lies the difference when that Tweet asks "So why is Ontario focusing on restaurants, salons and retailers?" How can a major newspaper be that obtuse. It just gets so tiring with how fucking stupid people are.

You know what?

Hey Thanos...

All fairness to the Star, I think their point is farther down that thread - less "why them but not others" and more "why aren't they protecting these much more important industries":

 

[thedddd]

Meanwhile in the Maritimes...

GA Gov. Kemp must be running that part of Canada also?

 

[thedddd]

Not sure what these places are like down there but here warehouse and factory employees are much more likely to be South Asian or Black and those communities here tend to live in multi-family households with plenty of children who then spread the virus in schools to other households that wouldn't normally be at risk given the above parameters. South Asian households also tend to be the ones holding the underground weddings with hundreds to thousands of people that shot up numbers last fall and appear to be doing so again this spring.

Anyway, I'm not saying restaurants should be open during these surges but the fact they aren't while these other industries continue to work without pause despite massive evidence of spread within them is very wrong.

Taking the racial make-up out of this but that is part of the issue. A lot of these workers are in a cut-throat atmosphere where if they don't come to work they get fired/replaced. So the lack of knowledge of who has COVID causes the ability to spread just as easy when they leave work.

 

[elocomotive]

All fairness to the Star, I think their point is farther down that thread - less "why them but not others" and more "why aren't they protecting these much more important industries":

Fair enough.

Short answer: We have an entire sector of government representation that doesn't seem to understand that protecting the public and serving their voters is their job. Corporations will dump shit in rivers/treat employees unfairly/discriminate/evade taxes/pay off ratings agencies/you name it all day long. We see it over and over. They don't need protection.

It's enough that we have greedy/corrupt people saying they are supporting people that have to be rooted out. But to have an entire party not supporting it's citizens and somehow convincing their supporters they are the only ones supporting those citizens is one of the biggest shams in the history of the world.