Can Bevell

[blstoker]

I will never understand the love affair with bevell. Blame everyone but him seems to be the mantra here.

The fact is, this is his offense. If it fails repeatedly, players fail to execute repeatedly, the same problems occur over and over and over again it falls on the coaching.

You can pinpoint two plays in the redzone and pick it apart all you want. It will not change the FACT that our redzone offense has been putrid under bevell.

Its as if you have all forgotten the superbowl and the universally regarded worst playcall of all time.

Not universally regarded, but regarded by some. I personally don't think the call was all that bad, just the result. Saying that the Seahawks should have done something else is like saying the Bills shouldn't have let Norwood attempt the field goal and should have tried a hail mary instead.

You hate Bevell so much that you're the one who is being less than objective. I can say that Bevell and I don't always think the same way, but to say that the offense is putrid is not only missing the point of what the offense is supposed to be, but is just plain inaccurate. This has been the offensive coordinator who has produced more points in 4 years (including playoffs) than any other 4 year period, which has also coincided with the most successful 4 years in team history. We have seen some really bad offenses in Seattle, the last 3 years are not accounted in them.

Bevell will be the offensive coordinator for the remainder of the season - and unless something happens, there's no reason to think that'll change next season.

"First off, Darrell is an incredible playcaller. He's done a fantastic job. We are so lucky to have him. He has been absolutely instrumental in what we have done. He is an awesome guy on our staff and crucially important to our future, as well," - Pete Carroll

 

[chf]

I'm not in love with Bevell. Get rid of the guy, but do it with your big-boy pants on. Have a plan. Court top flight guys to replace him, and in the offseason, pull the rip-cord.

DON'T make a change just to make a change. Horrible also-ran franchises run their operations that way.

The Seahawks are trying to build something that lasts. Do things right.

 

[JMR]

So let's get real here for a minute -- Bevel isn't getting fired during the season. At the end of it, if RW has another 100 or so passer rating, Lynch has another 1200 yds rushing or so, and Graham ends up having stat sheets that look mostly like weeks 1 & 3, and with another top 10 ranking for the O, what exactly would be the reasons to fire Bevell?

I'm also amused that not calling for the guy's head on a stick leaves "love affair" as the only other category, according to some here (ok, one guy).

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I'm not in love with Bevell. Get rid of the guy, but do it with your big-boy pants on. Have a plan. Court top flight guys to replace him, and in the offseason, pull the rip-cord.

DON'T make a change just to make a change. Horrible also-ran franchises run their operations that way.

The Seahawks are trying to build something that lasts. Do things right.

I am not in love with Bevell either, thinks he is all right, but not great. The thing is that it's working good enough to win a SB, then follow up with a SB appearance the next year. Who knows how good the next guy will be. More concerned about how iffy the OL is and has been for years. The break downs on offense start right there. Got guys playing on the OL that were drafted in the lower end of the draft, one who was DL in college . Hopefully some of these guys turn out to be gems. Be nice to draft a out the box stud for the OL .

 

[MrS]

They fired jeremy bates after one year seemingly for no reason, i dont see what makes bevell sacred.

Unfortunately losing the SB the way we did all but makes it impossible for him to get a HC job anywhere, college or nfl.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

So let's get real here for a minute -- Bevel isn't getting fired during the season. At the end of it, if RW has another 100 or so passer rating, Lynch has another 1200 yds rushing or so, and Graham ends up having stat sheets that look mostly like weeks 1 & 3, and with another top 10 ranking for the O, what exactly would be the reasons to fire Bevell?

I'm also amused that not calling for the guy's head on a stick leaves "love affair" as the only other category, according to some here (ok, one guy).

I know right, we aren't hollering for him to get fired so we must "love him".

 

[HaroldSeattle]

They fired jeremy bates after one year seemingly for no reason, i dont see what makes bevell sacred.

Unfortunately losing the SB the way we did all but makes it impossible for him to get a HC job anywhere, college or nfl.

Going to back to back makes him unfireable also. You ever listen to Pete's interviews on 7.10 ? Just go to field gulls and listen to the latest one, Pete thinks Bevell is awesome.

 

[JMR]

They fired jeremy bates after one year seemingly for no reason, i dont see what makes bevell sacred.

Unfortunately losing the SB the way we did all but makes it impossible for him to get a HC job anywhere, college or nfl.

So you're comparing a 1 year OC in Bates to the success Bevel has contributed to here for the last few years? That's straight up goofy man.

 

[gohusk]

So you're comparing a 1 year OC in Bates to the success Bevel has contributed to here for the last few years? That's straight up goofy man.

Exactly what success has he had? It's the players playing through him that's caused the success, specifically Wilson and Lynch. What's the point of throwing away entire halves at a time because you just don't want to turn the ball over in the 1st half? The only reason we've been able to win is because Wilson's so money in the clutch and can perform in high pressure situations. Why the hell does every game have to be like that?

Once again in this game, the offense was a dud until we finally started attacking the seam and then things opened up. Why the fuck is it that we have to wait as long as we do to see those plays? The defense isn't what it used to be. It's still rock solid but we need to score points to beat teams. The 49ers of the 80's were the best ball control offense I've ever seen and they came out every game expecting to put up 7 the first drive because they scripted for it. We got the stupid "well we're setting up things for later" or "we're going to wear them down" load of crap that's thrown out there.

Bevell isn't the guy. The plays are obviously in the play book but for whatever reason we don't dial them up until we have to. Nothing but letting teams hang around with ultra-conservative play calling, routes that are completely useless because they play right into the defense, and "odd" (or idiotic) play calls in the most important moments of the game that make absolutely no sense.

 

[MrS]

I think we can all agree defense got us to two superbowls, not our offense. Bevell was along for the ride, he was not driving the bus.when the game hinged on him, he failed.

 

[JMR]

Downplay all you want, but this team getting to the SB in back to back years buys these coaches the benefit of the doubt. Continued similar success is NOT going to result in them losing their jobs unless it's for better offers.

 

[blstoker]

They fired jeremy bates after one year seemingly for no reason, i dont see what makes bevell sacred.

Running game. The ability to get the offense to do what Pete Carroll wants the offense to do. 7 times in 2010 the Seahawks were beaten by 10 minutes or more in time of possession and averaged just 3.7 yards per carry (3.5 for Lynch). That's not what Pete wants from his offense. Despite being beaten by 10 minutes 3 times in his first 6 games, Bevell has only been beaten that badly 4 more times since and his running game has always averaged north of 4 ypc.

So, in other words, losses by 10 minutes in TOP:

Jeremy Bates - 7/18 = 38.8%
Darrell Bevell - 7/75 = 9.3%

Bevell does what Carroll wants, which is a ball control offense. It's also not a coincidence that the year Bevell brings the TOP offense that Carroll wants, the defense goes from #28 to top 10 in one year.

 

[gohusk]

Downplay all you want, but this team getting to the SB in back to back years buys these coaches the benefit of the doubt. Continued similar success is NOT going to result in them losing their jobs unless it's for better offers.

And why the hell is that? We cut players who under-perform. They were on the teams so they must have been instrumental, right? That's the logic that's being used here.

 

[gohusk]

Running game. The ability to get the offense to do what Pete Carroll wants the offense to do. 7 times in 2010 the Seahawks were beaten by 10 minutes or more in time of possession and averaged just 3.7 yards per carry (3.5 for Lynch). That's not what Pete wants from his offense. Despite being beaten by 10 minutes 3 times in his first 6 games, Bevell has only been beaten that badly 4 more times since and his running game has always averaged north of 4 ypc.

So, in other words, losses by 10 minutes in TOP:

Jeremy Bates - 7/18 = 38.8%
Darrell Bevell - 7/75 = 9.3%

Bevell does what Carroll wants, which is a ball control offense. It's also not a coincidence that the year Bevell brings the TOP offense that Carroll wants, the defense goes from #28 to top 10 in one year.

3 and outs are not ball control offense. They're the absence of offense.

 

[JMR]

And why the hell is that? We cut players who under-perform. They were on the teams so they must have been instrumental, right? That's the logic that's being used here.

Coaches and players are not hired or fired in the same manner. Quit being obtuse.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Downplay all you want, but this team getting to the SB in back to back years buys these coaches the benefit of the doubt. Continued similar success is NOT going to result in them losing their jobs unless it's for better offers.

Yup, all you have to do is listen to what Pete has to say about Bevell. He loves him and why not? Many a OC has screwed a great defense by taking to many risks and turning the ball over.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

3 and outs are not ball control offense. They're the absence of offense.

Seahawks have controlled time of possession the last few years, you don't get that with three and outs.

 

[MrS]

Downplay all you want, but this team getting to the SB in back to back years buys these coaches the benefit of the doubt. Continued similar success is NOT going to result in them losing their jobs unless it's for better offers.

And what have you to say about the continued red zone failure? The consistently bad offense in first halves? The failure in key moments and third downs?

This team wins because defense almost always holds the line and keeps the game within reach.

When our defense starts to decline, which is looking like its already starting to happen, those offensive struggles will be far more difficult to overcome.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

And what have you to say about the continued red zone failure? The consistently bad offense in first halves? The failure in key moments and third downs?

This team wins because defense almost always holds the line and keeps the game within reach.

When our defense starts to decline, which is looking like its already starting to happen, those offensive struggles will be far more difficult to overcome.

Red zone failures are not good, but getting a field goal rather then a turn over is good. It's part of the plan, don't turn over the ball, run the clock, get the safe points and let the defense do their thing. Just don't shrew them over with turnovers. Seems to work rather good.

 

[JMR]

And what have you to say about the continued red zone failure? The consistently bad offense in first halves? The failure in key moments and third downs?

This team wins because defense almost always holds the line and keeps the game within reach.

When our defense starts to decline, which is looking like its already starting to happen, those offensive struggles will be far more difficult to overcome.

What have I to say? Talk to me when we are no longer a winning team. When you are winning and doing what the boss wants you to do, that's really where the discussion ends. It's almost like you think PC is going to fire him just because you want him to.