Are the Jets Overhyped?

[Dude]

Yep.

 

[Dude]

Pats are sitting pretty. Let those div favorites beat the shit out each other. Soften them up dudes.

 

[jarntt]

For me, Rodgers is about the quality of the OL play in front of him. I don’t trust it.

With health, and that’s a big if of course, the Jets OL should be ok and if the first rounder pans out should be good

 

[Southieinnc]

well...the excuse has been set anyways.
Go Rodgers

 

[Southieinnc]

28. Robert Saleh, New York Jets​

Robert Saleh has accomplished nothing since taking over as Jets head coach. And while last season felt like a cruel joke from the Football Gods, this is still very much a do or die year for Saleh. He is 18-33 in three seasons at the helm. If the Jets fail to make the postseason in 2024, there is no reason why he should return as head coach.

 

[Clayton]

2023 thread and poll.

For 2024 some sportsbooks have them ahead of the Dolphins for the AFC East divisional title. I'm not convinced.

Old QB and two offensive linemen who can't stay healthy? I couldn't imagine putting money on them.

If you're betting on them on a game to game basis then I get it. Tons of talent.

 

[Tainthappening]

 

[fastforward]

Old QB and two offensive linemen who can't stay healthy? I couldn't imagine putting money on them.

If you're betting on them on a game to game basis then I get it. Tons of talent.

I'm not saying the Sportsbooks are wrong, i'm just a bit surprised. Either team could end up being the better team. On paper both teams have good QBs with questionable health issues, but Rodgers is also old and he has missed an entire year. I also think he has less game-winning talent around him. Head-to-head for most wins i'd have had the Dolphins as a slight favourite rather than a slight underdog, but that's not a betting recommendation. For reference Pinnacle have the Jets Over 9.5 at -137 and the Dolphins Over 9.5 at -125. It's very close.

 

[Clayton]

I'm not saying the Sportsbooks are wrong, i'm just a bit surprised. Either team could end up being the better team. On paper both teams have good QBs with questionable health issues, but Rodgers is also old and he has missed an entire year. I also think he has less game-winning talent around him. Head-to-head for most wins i'd have had the Dolphins as a slight favourite rather than a slight underdog, but that's not a betting recommendation. For reference Pinnacle have the Jets Over 9.5 at -137 and the Dolphins Over 9.5 at -125. It's very close.

My general read on the AFC is that the Chiefs and Bills are huge favorites in their division and the other two divisions are bloodbaths. Not that I want to jinx the Chiefs or anything.

The problem with backing the Dolphins is that they got 4 wins last year against the Patriots and Jets and neither team had a QB. You're quite literally betting against the Jets and Patriots in addition to betting on the Dolphins. Meanwhile, who on the Dolphins is getting better than they were last year? I guess Achane could be healthier but what are the odds of him rushing for 7.8 YPC again? 5%? Dolphins are probably going to be good. Tua was 8.3 YPA after being 8.9 YPA the year before. That looks relatively stable as long as Hill and Waddle are there.

Jets are tough. You have youtubers out there saying they have a top 5 roster. I totally get that. You also have people out there saying the have a bottom tier coaching. Not...sure? I think people are trying to create a hedge for the injuries. There is a very, very real chance the wheels fall of Rodgers this year. Godly HOF MVP year in 2020. MVP year in 2021. Mediocre starter in 2022. Played one game in 2023. Tyrod Taylor is probably 28th-35th best QB in the league. If Breece Hall stays healthy, Tyron Smith stays healthy, Mike Williams stays healthy, Vera-Tucker stays....jfc...

like seriously....wtf...thats 6 offensive starters I have to hedge on?

 

[Southieinnc]

I'm not saying the Sportsbooks are wrong, i'm just a bit surprised. Either team could end up being the better team. On paper both teams have good QBs with questionable health issues, but Rodgers is also old and he has missed an entire year. I also think he has less game-winning talent around him. Head-to-head for most wins i'd have had the Dolphins as a slight favourite rather than a slight underdog, but that's not a betting recommendation. For reference Pinnacle have the Jets Over 9.5 at -137 and the Dolphins Over 9.5 at -125. It's very close.

Close yes but Rodgers is 40 and damaged and likely to sustain more damage.
If you have an old car that has been good but needs tires or something, you might buy what it needs.
You don't go buying cars at the junkyard though!

 

[Xeliou66]

I just don’t agree that the Bills are huge favorites to win the East, not like how the Chiefs are clearly the huge favorite to win the West. The Bills have a subpar receiving unit which will make it harder for them to win the division, the Fins on the other hand have one of the best receiving units in the NFL. I’m picking the Fins to win the division although the Fins O-Line is kind of shaky and they’ll need their edge rushers healthy. The Jets are the team I’m not sure what to expect from - if Rodgers has something left in the tank they will contend for a playoff spot - their D is really strong and they have some good pieces on offense.

 

[Southieinnc]

With health, and that’s a big if of course, the Jets OL should be ok and if the first rounder pans out should be good

Week one but the Jets are 31st in rushing (ahead of the Panthers, LOL)
Bottom 5 in defense.
What could go wrong?

 

[Clayton]

In terms of 2024, this should be Miami's year. They maybe struggle against good teams but how good are the Bills and Jets? I still think the Bills are good enough to where if Josh Allen plays like a top 3 QB they win the division. Top 10 QB and they should be 3rd place.

If the Jets D doesnt recover then thats almost immediate grounds to fire their coach. The Jets schedule is very winnable, though. Its just that their offense is old. They have to win games while everyone is healthy.

 

[PolarVortex]

For some reason, the national media is really buying into the narrative that the New York Jets are a dark horse this season, now that they have Aaron Rodgers. My twitter feed is full of Jets camp highlights featuring that Ohio State receiver they got, and pundits applauding Rodgers for taking a pay cut so they could sign other guys and compete.

Are the Jets for real? Not for real? What do people think?

I predict 8-9, with a disappointing performance from Rodgers himself leading the way. Is he still microdosing?

Everything in New York is overhyped. The media is making a big deal out of the Yankees calling up Jasson Dominguez like he is this hotshot can't miss future Hall Of Famer. I mean, the guy is kinda okay, but it's not like he tore up AA and has only played 50 games at the AAA level without showing much power there.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Looks like the anti-vaxx weirdo isn’t the savior at QB.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I've seen so many people counting the Bills out and I don't like their defense much and obviously WRs are a bit of an unknown. But I can't fathom how anybody doesn't think Josh Allen is by far the best QB in that division and can carry that team.
I get that Miami has a whole bunch of Ferraris but until they show they can dominate a real contender, I will never be sold. Especially come winter when things aren't so easy. Is Tua a pretty good QB? Yeah, but not a guy that you think the stats match what you see. Let's see what happens when teams can stop the YAC yards.
And the Jets are still the Jets in many ways. Thinking Rodgers alone makes that big of a difference is counting on a lot when he's that old and really was very mediocre his last season in GB. Now has no mobility and very lean on weapons and the coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Very predictable and easy to defend. If (big if) Mike Williams gets and stays healthy and productive, maybe they have something besides Wilson and Hall. And we will see on the defense. I think it's a good unit but not as great as they try to portray themselves as. Time will tell if the offense can truly do enough to keep the D fresh.
I still think this division is the Bills for the taking unless Allen gets injured ( which is entirely possible the way he plays). And I don't think the Pats will just be pushovers either. They will play some tough defense. Likely lose more than they win but teams will know they were in a fight.

 

[shopson67]

I just don’t agree that the Bills are huge favorites to win the East, not like how the Chiefs are clearly the huge favorite to win the West. The Bills have a subpar receiving unit which will make it harder for them to win the division, the Fins on the other hand have one of the best receiving units in the NFL. I’m picking the Fins to win the division although the Fins O-Line is kind of shaky and they’ll need their edge rushers healthy. The Jets are the team I’m not sure what to expect from - if Rodgers has something left in the tank they will contend for a playoff spot - their D is really strong and they have some good pieces on offense.

Funny that you devalue the Bills for no star receivers, yet hasn't that been the case for Mahomes until this season? The Bills no longer have to force the ball to Diggs to keep him happy, they can simply throw to whomever has the best matchup and/or gets open. Keon and Kincaid are 1st round picks (essentially, Bills traded down slightly into the 2nd for their guy Keon) and Shakir is an emerging trustworthy target. It's not like the cupboard is bare, just no single alpha WR standout (yet).

 

[shopson67]

I've seen so many people counting the Bills out and I don't like their defense much and obviously WRs are a bit of an unknown. But I can't fathom how anybody doesn't think Josh Allen is by far the best QB in that division and can carry that team.
I get that Miami has a whole bunch of Ferraris but until they show they can dominate a real contender, I will never be sold. Especially come winter when things aren't so easy. Is Tua a pretty good QB? Yeah, but not a guy that you think the stats match what you see. Let's see what happens when teams can stop the YAC yards.
And the Jets are still the Jets in many ways. Thinking Rodgers alone makes that big of a difference is counting on a lot when he's that old and really was very mediocre his last season in GB. Now has no mobility and very lean on weapons and the coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Very predictable and easy to defend. If (big if) Mike Williams gets and stays healthy and productive, maybe they have something besides Wilson and Hall. And we will see on the defense. I think it's a good unit but not as great as they try to portray themselves as. Time will tell if the offense can truly do enough to keep the D fresh.
I still think this division is the Bills for the taking unless Allen gets injured ( which is entirely possible the way he plays). And I don't think the Pats will just be pushovers either. They will play some tough defense. Likely lose more than they win but teams will know they were in a fight.

We all know what happens to Ferraris in the winter. They get put away in storage early.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

We all know what happens to Ferraris in the winter. They get put away in storage early.

Actually that was pretty good shop lol.

 

[Clayton]

Funny that you devalue the Bills for no star receivers, yet hasn't that been the case for Mahomes until this season? The Bills no longer have to force the ball to Diggs to keep him happy, they can simply throw to whomever has the best matchup and/or gets open. Keon and Kincaid are 1st round picks (essentially, Bills traded down slightly into the 2nd for their guy Keon) and Shakir is an emerging trustworthy target. It's not like the cupboard is bare, just no single alpha WR standout (yet).

Down the stretch last year the Bills were pretty good just sorta running the ball and using TEs. And if Josh Allen isnt in spots where he is throwing INTs then the Bills have been one of the most efficient teams in the league.

It really is the difference between a franchise QB and a superstar QB. If you have a superstar QB, you just kinda need reliable players and a defense.