AJ McCarron

[Sharkinva]

Steve DeBerg Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Stats monster huh? Some of you must have selective memories or are just making some of this up. Outside of his 1990 season nothing really looks that great or screams "great #s for a QB". Oh well - whatever supports your argument.

Deberg average 2100 yards a season passing in a time when the NFL was basically still a run first league. He was always considered a GOOD, not great QB, who was routinely replaced by some one who the team thought COULD be great.

But back to the real issue. Just because Smith is now the Redskins QB, does not mean those of us who thought it was a bad idea even before it was a consideration, should now change our thinking and go into the .. well it COULD turn out to be awesome.

I thought Smith was a bad idea 5 months ago. I thought it was a bad idea when we traded for him... and guess what... I still think he was a bad idea.

 

[richig07]

Neither of those things are true.

Hey, look... I can aimlessly spew shit too.

Yes, they are.

He didn't prove he deserved a shot? If you drafted a QB, and he had those first 4 games. You'd be THRILLED.

 

[richig07]

He played ok. Up and down really. When surrounded by talent. In 5 games.

You'e ignoring the 2 following years where they could have swapped. Nobody is saying Dalton should've been benched off that season. But in the last 2? If McCarron was worth something yea probably.

He also isn't an unknown to them. I think they have a good idea if he's better than Dalton or not. And Dalton isn't a very high bar to meet.

Yeah, because Marvin Lewis and that organization is renowned for knowing what they're doing. They're also really unafraid to make key changes *massive eye roll*

He played ok. Up and down really. When surrounded by talent. In 5 games.

You can keep saying that. It doesn't make it true. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

[ehb5]

Yes... a bottom 5 starting QB salary, for a bottom 5 starter. McCown, Hoyer and Tyrod were the only starting QB's (not still on rookie deals) heading into NFL training camps paid less than him last season. Any other questions?

You realize paying 15 mil for a bottom 5 starting qb is bad right? And that there were plenty of better qbs making less than that?

 

[ehb5]

The 5th one was awful.

He led a 15 point, 4th quarter comeback against a very good defense in the post-season. 4 games into his career. LMAO

Garoppolo was a 2nd round pick not a 5th round pick.

What's your point? Brady was a 6th. Warner was undrafted.

Garoppolo was behind Brady not Dalton.

Again... so what? This is irrelevant pertaining to McCarron's ability as a starter.

That's a prety big difference dude.

Literally... There is ZERO difference.

Lol. "Led" in a game in which he was the reason they were losing! With a loaded supporting cast. Defending McCarron in that game is laughable.

Holy shit dude you can't be that dumb. You realize draft status is a MASSIVE predictor of success right? Until you have large samples of games for players that is a HUGE deal.

It's relevant because Garoppolo couild never overtake Brady and that isn't a red flag. McCarron not overtaking Dalton is a red flag.

Like I said... huge difference.

 

[Skins2021]

You realize paying 15 mil for a bottom 5 starting qb is bad right? And that there were plenty of better qbs making less than that?

of course its bad did you learn that at Penn State?

you do realize committing over $100 mill with like 70 guaranteed to a bottom 15 quarterback is bad right?

 

[ehb5]

And I'm the one who's being dishonest? Riiiight.

You are being dishonest on a delusional level. How did you think you'd get away with misrepresenting McCarron's rile in that comeback with the following statement?

For one he didn't even have any passing yards on one of their touchdown drives.

Yeah, but on the potential GW drive... The drive to take lead, with the season on the line (7 plays): McCarron (6 passes) 4/6 52 Yards 1 TD... (1 rush) 1 carry for 3 yards

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  • 1st and 10 at PIT 45
    (3:28 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.McCarron pass short middle to J.Hill to PIT 42 for 3 yards (R.Shazier) [A.Moats].
  • 2nd and 7 at PIT 42
    (2:57 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.McCarron pass short left to M.Jones ran ob at PIT 37 for 5 yards.
  • 3rd and 2 at PIT 37
    (2:52 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.McCarron pass incomplete short right. (Thrown Away)
  • 4th and 2 at PIT 37
    (2:46 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.McCarron pass short middle to M.Jones to PIT 28 for 9 yards (A.Moats).
  • 1st and 10 at PIT 28
    (2:15 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.McCarron scrambles left tackle to PIT 25 for 3 yards (S.Tuitt).
  • (2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning
  • 2nd and 7 at PIT 25
    (2:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.McCarron pass incomplete short middle to M.Sanu.
  • 3rd and 7 at PIT 25
    (1:50 - 4th) A.J. Green 25 Yd pass from AJ McCarron (Two-Point Run Conversion Failed)

...so your case for him in that game is 1 drive...??

My point exactly.

 

[ehb5]

Hey, look... I can aimlessly spew shit too.

Yes, they are.

He didn't prove he deserved a shot? If you drafted a QB, and he had those first 4 games. You'd be THRILLED.

Id be way more thrilled to have any of the top 5 QBs in this class.

 

[ehb5]

Yeah, because Marvin Lewis and that organization is renowned for knowing what they're doing. They're also really unafraid to make key changes *massive eye roll*

He played ok. Up and down really. When surrounded by talent. In 5 games.

You can keep saying that. It doesn't make it true. The numbers speak for themselves.

Yes they do.

 

[ehb5]

of course its bad did you learn that at Penn State?

you do realize committing over $100 mill with like 70 guaranteed to a bottom 15 quarterback is bad right?

Lol why the bitterness about psu dude.

Also what the hell are you talking about??

 

[richig07]

All of Jimmy G's start were better than any of mccarrons. Both on film and by #s.

A) Jimmy also had the luxury of the entire training camp to take first team reps and prepare. While McCarron had to jump in late in the season, into a heated playoff push.

B) In his 3 regular season starts vs Jimmy's 2....

McCarron:

CIN @ SFO W 24-14 * 15/21 71.43 CMP% 192 yards 1 TD's 0 INT's 115.6 QB Rating

CIN @ DEN L 17-20 * 22/35 62.86 CMP% 200 yards 1 TD's 0 INT's 87.8 QB Rating

CIN vs BAL W 24-16 * 17/27 62.96 160 yards 2 TD's 0 INT's 103.9 QB Rating

Jimmy G:

NWE @ ARI W 23-21 * 24/33 72.73 CMP% 264 yards 1 TD's 0 INT's 106.1

NWE vs MIA W 31-24 * 18/26 69.23 CMP% 232 yards 3 TD's 0 INT's 135.4






Oh, wow... Really blowing him away! Lol

 

[Skins2021]

Lol why the bitterness about psu dude.

Also what the hell are you talking about??

I was rooting for PSU hard this year... though the JoePa fans are blithering idiots. His blind eye is unforgiving

Mccarron bottom 5 qb making $15 mill a year with like $20 mill guaranteed is better for the skins future then Alex Smith being a bottom 15 qb making $23 mill a year with $70 mill guaranteed.

not really that hard to figure out

 

[richig07]

You realize paying 15 mil for a bottom 5 starting qb is bad right? And that there were plenty of better qbs making less than that?

You realize paying 15 mil for a bottom 5 starting qb is bad right?

I do not... it is the norm. I listed the only starting QB's heading into camp last year who made less than Glennon, that weren't still on rookie deals. Tyrod Taylor, Brian Hoyer and Josh McCown.

Hindsight is also 20/20... Glennon had 30 TD's 15 INT's and an 85 QB rating coming out of TB with 18 starts under his belt in a pretty bad situation. He was only 27 years old. They decided to take a chance on the upside there instead of a Hoyer/McCown type, where you know what you're getting. Which would have only saved them a few mil anyway... Not to mention, of cap space they weren't using anyway. It's an irrelevant signing to the team going forward. They'll decline the option this year and nothing is hurt.

The signing was also more of a smokescreen, to enable them to be more covert in their pursuit of Trubisky.

 

[ehb5]

I was rooting for PSU hard this year... though the JoePa fans are blithering idiots. His blind eye is unforgiving

Mccarron bottom 5 qb making $15 mill a year with like $20 mill guaranteed is better for the skins future then Alex Smith being a bottom 15 qb making $23 mill a year with $70 mill guaranteed.

not really that hard to figure out

I wasn't talkng about McCarron or smith in the post you quoted...

And I've been one of the biggest smith critics on this board....

 

[ehb5]

A) Jimmy also had the luxury of the entire training camp to take first team reps and prepare. While McCarron had to jump in late in the season, into a heated playoff push.

B) In his 3 regular season starts vs Jimmy's 2....

McCarron:

CIN @ SFO W 24-14 * 15/21 71.43 CMP% 192 yards 1 TD's 0 INT's 115.6 QB Rating

CIN @ DEN L 17-20 * 22/35 62.86 CMP% 200 yards 1 TD's 0 INT's 87.8 QB Rating

CIN vs BAL W 24-16 * 17/27 62.96 160 yards 2 TD's 0 INT's 103.9 QB Rating

Jimmy G:

NWE @ ARI W 23-21 * 24/33 72.73 CMP% 264 yards 1 TD's 0 INT's 106.1

NWE vs MIA W 31-24 * 18/26 69.23 CMP% 232 yards 3 TD's 0 INT's 135.4






Oh, wow... Really blowing him away! Lol

Hmmm it's exactly what I said.

Garoppolo's games were better.

 

[Skins2021]

I wasn't talkng about McCarron or smith in the post you quoted...

And I've been one of the biggest smith critics on this board....

I originally thought you were talking Glennon but given the title of this thread...

regardless hindsight aside with Glennon or Mccarron I stand by my take

 

[ehb5]

You realize paying 15 mil for a bottom 5 starting qb is bad right?

I do not... it is the norm. I listed the only starting QB's heading into camp last year who made less than Glennon, that weren't still on rookie deals. Tyrod Taylor, Brian Hoyer and Josh McCown.

Hindsight is also 20/20... Glennon had 30 TD's 15 INT's and an 85 QB rating coming out of TB with 18 starts under his belt in a pretty bad situation. He was only 27 years old. They decided to take a chance on the upside there instead of a Hoyer/McCown type, where you know what you're getting. Which would have only saved them a few mil anyway... Not to mention, of cap space they weren't using anyway. It's an irrelevant signing to the team going forward. They'll decline the option this year and nothing is hurt.

The signing was also more of a smokescreen, to enable them to be more covert in their pursuit of Trubisky.

Just because people throw money at any tall QB with a half decent arm doesn't make it smart.

I agree it doesn't really cost them anything long term but it was still a bad contract.

 

[ehb5]

I originally thought you were talking Glennon but given the title of this thread...

regardless hindsight aside with Glennon or Mccarron I stand by my take

I'm not even sure what your take is...

 

[richig07]

Just because people throw money at any tall QB with a half decent arm doesn't make it smart.

I agree it doesn't really cost them anything long term but it was still a bad contract.

I mean, again... hindsight is 20/20. Would I have them make the deal again? Of course not. However, there's really nothing wrong with what they did from a philosophical/theoretical standpoint. They took a conservative swing at a guy they thought they had some upside... they whiffed. Nothing really hurt. They won 5 games... signing McCown doesn't really change that and he probably plays just well enough to keep Trubisky from getting the experience he did this past year.

"Throw money" is also a relative term. Salary is relative to position... Glennon's cost was cheap for a veteran starting QB.

 

[richig07]

Hmmm it's exactly what I said.

Garoppolo's games were better.

Uh... no, not really. Very comparable numbers, which is what I said. Strikingly similar. Again, also in very different circumstances and Jimmy G didn't have a game like McCarron did in either of those starts. Going on the road to play the arguably the best D of the decade, who won the SB.