- Thread starter
- #7,141
Arrogance, or confidence... Either way you look at it... I don't think he performed well enough to live up to this image he's portraying
Johnny Manziel vibes
Johnny Manziel vibes
I will say this - Sanders is acutely aware of what he needs to work on, and he's did grow up in the bright lights. It's true that non of what he's going to see in the NFL, or face, phases him from a mental standpoint. On that, I think is where I see his upside. Where I think you saw the money, attention, expectations weigh heavily on a guy like Williams (who I was not a fan of in the last draft), I think Sanders can handle that - and it will help him get to his ceiling faster, and likely on a more consistent basis...I just question how high that ceiling is. I don't see LJ or even Hurts in his game...I see some Tua...but again, it takes a guy like Miami's coach to be willing to adapt that offense...and we see the limitations of that offense, even with 2 very good WR's, when they face really good teams/defenses....Ward & Howard are the only QBs with upside that look worthy of investing into some development years.
Sanders... I think he is going to need at least 1 year as a backup before he's mentally ready. Once he's removed out from underneath his father's thumb he's going to have a lot of pressure on him. His father maintained a certain level of image for his son even after very poor performances. And the skills transition from college to pro are going to be a lot bigger than they appear.
Could say similar things about Travis Hunter. The luster from these Deion Sanders disciples will wear off soon enough.
Most of mine are not assumptions. I watched him play often as Cincinnati is in the B12 along with Colorado. He has some impressive stretches, no doubt...but the facts are the facts. His WR room was elite good. Hunter would start on any other college team, and Horn Jr would start on most other college teams. Yet, despite having those two elite WR's, nearly 70% of his throws came 3 yards or less. How do you process a defense when the play is quite literally snap, step, throw 3 yards, or behind the LOS? There isn't a progressive read on the offense they ran. It's somewhat similar, IMO, to what is ran in Miami with Tua. It can work in the NFL, but he needs the right offense. Over time, I do think he can develop that - he has good traits and genetics. But, if you are taking a 1st round QB in the top 5ish picks...that guy better be ready to be THE guy sooner than later, and I'm not sold that Sanders can be that guy.I think people make the wrong assumptions about Sanders. Everything I've read/heard/seen talks about his intangibles at the position including his ability to quickly process defense and elevate his team. He had good receivers, but he took over a program where the cupboard was bare and he played with immense amount of pressure on him. And I could care less if some people find him arrogant with the press - Some of the best quarterbacks, including 9 on the Bengals say shit that sounds arrogant.
I'm not arguing that Sanders will be a top 10 guy - But I think he'll be better than a lot of trash that is thrown out there in the NFL.
I watched a lot of the big games and never felt like I was ever impressed with an entire game of work from him. He’s streaky & very inconsistent. Rarely saw him live up to the expectations, but he was hardly the only problem with that team in big moments.I think people make the wrong assumptions about Sanders. Everything I've read/heard/seen talks about his intangibles at the position including his ability to quickly process defense and elevate his team. He had good receivers, but he took over a program where the cupboard was bare and he played with immense amount of pressure on him. And I could care less if some people find him arrogant with the press - Some of the best quarterbacks, including 9 on the Bengals say shit that sounds arrogant.
I'm not arguing that Sanders will be a top 10 guy - But I think he'll be better than a lot of trash that is thrown out there in the NFL.
Just saw this crazy stat that unless you're a Steeler fan probably didn't pay much attention to...
Since 1971, the Steelers have only drafted in the top 10, threes time... # 9 pick in 1986 was John Rienstra, #7 pick in 1989 was Tim Worley and #8 pick in 2000 was Plaxico Burress... That's just crazy... That's 53 years of drafting only 3 players in the top 10!
Just for a reference, over the last 48 years, the Seahawks have drafted in the top 10 , sixteen times! The Browns have drafted in the top 10, thirteen times in 2000 alone...
Naturally John Rienstra finished his career in Cleveland.And two of their picks were bonafide busts with the other one just a shot in the leg……
Did get a chuckle at that....but guessing Browns keep him and Myles can decide to play or quit.
Yeah, I thought Worley was going to be much better than he was...And two of their picks were bonafide busts with the other one just a shot in the leg……
Yeah, I thought Worley was going to be much better than he was...
This is how you kill a franchise. Rather than ripping the band aid off and just getting out from under the contract...you keep extending the issue...Just keep kicking the can down the road... It's the next GM's problem now lol
I mean, only 2 seasons ago won 11 games and have most of those players still around. Just need to somehow get solid QB play so I get it.This is how you kill a franchise. Rather than ripping the band aid off and just getting out from under the contract...you keep extending the issue...
2 seasons ago, they got lucky as hell. This is like the Bengals in the 90's rolling off 3 or 4 wins at the end of the year, and everyone kept thinking "OK, next year, they'll get it back on track" and the same thing would repeat.I mean, only 2 seasons ago won 11 games and have most of those players still around. Just need to somehow get solid QB play so I get it.
Wait......did you really say a team "got lucky as hell" when they lost their top 3 QBs, top 3 OTs and their elite RB and that was just on offense?2 seasons ago, they got lucky as hell. This is like the Bengals in the 90's rolling off 3 or 4 wins at the end of the year, and everyone kept thinking "OK, next year, they'll get it back on track" and the same thing would repeat.
There is way more evidence at this point that Watson is washed, and that the Browns need to simply move on. Rip it off. Burn it down, and take the cap space, and draft pick from viable trades, and truly rebuild for a sustained winning culture. The way this is going, currently, is not sustainable and it's not leading to any kind of winning. This franchise is nowhere near close to competing for an AFCN title...and hasn't won the division since 1989.
For as Bad as the Bengals were in the 90's, and even with how they try to cheap their players...over he past 2 coaches, they've won 6 division titles, been to 2 AFCC games, and a SB. Sure, some if it is luck with Burrow recently - but they made waves with Palmer, then Dalton, with Lewis as coach, and now as Taylor. Make fun of Brown all you want (and he and his daughter deserve ton of blame for how they treat their players in contracts) they at least pivot when needed over the past 10 years...and have won more than not.
I know it's tough...but Watson sucks. He's not the guy that he was in Houston. Move on.Wait......did you really say a team "got lucky as hell" when they lost their top 3 QBs, top 3 OTs and their elite RB and that was just on offense?
Sorry had to stop reading there. Maybe regroup and try again?