AFCN Hate Guide

[thedddd]

Unless he rallies this season and turns his season around I would have to agree. Too many inconsistencies & falling short for someone that was drafted #1 overall.

He's a Kirk Cousins type QB... Someone that you can easily fool yourself into believing is the right guy. You may think a different system & org structure could bring out the best in him, only to be let down time & time again.

I think that is the scary part for all Browns fans. He might show up the rest of the year, get the big contract and then come back to reality next season.

 

[Wamu]

Honestly, with exception to the Browns, these teams are right on par with where we thought they'd be before the season started. Ravens suffering a ton of injuries and still being this competitive is surprising as well. But you had to know they weren't going to keep pace. I really liked the Bengals this year prior to the season starting, and their first couple games confirmed that their defense was indeed for real.

As for the Browns... They still have time to resurrect their season, but they are struggling with consistency like the rest of the division. With that roster it is surprising to see them struggle, even with all their injuries they've been dealing with through October. Mishandling & cutting OBJ was a black eye. If nothing else they are learning that Baker isn't the guy. But the fear of their previous 15-20-some-odd-years might drive them to writing that check.... Baker is serviceable but really struggles to elevate his play when they need him the most.

I find it odd that OBJ gets a free pass for quitting on the Browns. He had issues with the Giants. Somehow that wasn't his fault. Gets to Cleveland is never healthy & didn't practice. Somehow that's not his fault.

Guess it's easier for people to blame a dysfunctional organization than put any blame on the player that's had the issues with both teams he's played for.

I knew getting him would bite the Browns in the ass. But had no idea that OBJ wouldn't be held accountable for his own actions.

 

[Wamu]

--->Baker for Mason....lets do it.

I can see it now.....Myles Garrett comes in from the crowd. Stares down Mason while holding a chair. Baker turns around and starts cheering up the crowd and then bam chair shot to the head of Baker. That would be some Hulk Hogan NWO swerve right there....

Oh hell no. Mason's a worse QB than Baker.

 

[Wamu]

Unless he rallies and turns his season around I would have to agree. Too many inconsistencies & falling short for someone that was drafted #1 overall.

He's a Kirk Cousins type QB... Someone that you can easily fool yourself into believing is the right guy. You may think a different system & org structure could bring out the best in him, only to be let down time & time again.

Mayfield won a playoff game last season without OBJ. When did Cousins win a playoff game?

 

[thedddd]

Given the current state of things, sure lol.

But this offseason I want no part in the "Baker Sweepstakes". He'll get overpaid by whomever lands him. Maybe in another 2-3 years after another team gives up on him he may be easier to acquire lol.

Nope. I would rather have a one year Cam Newton deal vs being tied down to Baker long-term.

 

[thedddd]

Mayfield won a playoff game last season without OBJ. When did Cousins win a playoff game?

 

[Wamu]

I think that is the scary part for all Browns fans. He might show up the rest of the year, get the big contract and then come back to reality next season.

If Mayfield somehow pull off a miracle and gets the Browns into the playoffs (which ain't happening) he still isn't worth a big contract extension.

 

[thedddd]

I find it odd that OBJ gets a free pass for quitting on the Browns. He had issues with the Giants. Somehow that wasn't his fault. Gets to Cleveland is never healthy & didn't practice. Somehow that's not his fault.

Guess it's easier for people to blame a dysfunctional organization than put any blame on the player that's had the issues with both teams he's played for.

I knew getting him would bite the Browns in the ass. But had no idea that OBJ wouldn't be held accountable for his own actions.

Trust me this is 99.99% on OBJ. The Browns get the black eye because they are the team and all we ever look at is the .01%.

Look at the Steelers/Antonio Brown fiasco and then the Raiders/Brown Fiasco. Somehow both teams got screwed in the end.

 

[thedddd]

Oh hell no. Mason's a worse QB than Nate Peterman

FIFY....

 

[Wamu]

Article I ran across. Didn't bother reading it. But I agree with the title.

The Cleveland Browns may need to mull QB options beyond Baker Mayfield

 

[Wamu]

Trust me this is 99.99% on OBJ. The Browns get the black eye because they are the team and all we ever look at is the .01%.

Look at the Steelers/Antonio Brown fiasco and then the Raiders/Brown Fiasco. Somehow both teams got screwed in the end.

Why is it that WR's seem to be the biggest pain in the ass divas?

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Honestly, with exception to the Browns, these teams are right on par with where we thought they'd be before the season started. Ravens suffering a ton of injuries and still being this competitive is surprising as well. But you had to know they weren't going to keep pace. I really liked the Bengals this year prior to the season starting, and their first couple games confirmed that their defense was indeed for real.

As for the Browns... They still have time to resurrect their season, but they are struggling with consistency like the rest of the division. With that roster it is surprising to see them struggle, even with all their injuries they've been dealing with through October. Mishandling & cutting OBJ was a black eye. If nothing else they are learning that Baker isn't the guy. But the fear of their previous 15-20-some-odd-years might drive them to writing that check.... Baker is serviceable but really struggles to elevate his play when they need him the most.

I think Baker is a good player with a lot of heart and great leadership. His guys like to rally around him.

The Browns have dealt with a lot of health issues also, Baker being one of those. Prior to getting hurt, Baker was completing over 80% of his passes and at one point this year, he had the longest completion (in the air yards) in the league around 63 yards or something like that. So he has a strong arm, he doesn't throw too many INT's, he is a good leader and teammate. Also, who says that Baker is the type of guy to request $40 plus million? He seems like a team player kind of guy. I can't see him giving away a contract, but $25 to $30 million a year with a long term commitment by the organization may get him to sign. Then at that point, Baker is actually helping the Browns even more.

 

[thedddd]

Why is it that WR's seem to be the biggest pain in the ass divas?

LOL....my only theory. They weren't tough enough to be RB's, can't throw good enough to be QB's. So they have the inferiority complex since they have to rely on QB's to make them look good?

 

[Wamu]

LOL....my only theory. They weren't tough enough to be RB's, can't throw good enough to be QB's. So they have the inferiority complex since they have to rely on QB's to make them look good?

It's the only explanation I've ever heard so it sounds good to me.

 

[Wamu]

I think Baker is a good player with a lot of heart and great leadership. His guys like to rally around him.

The Browns have dealt with a lot of health issues also, Baker being one of those. Prior to getting hurt, Baker was completing over 80% of his passes and at one point this year, he had the longest completion (in the air yards) in the league around 63 yards or something like that. So he has a strong arm, he doesn't throw too many INT's, he is a good leader and teammate. Also, who says that Baker is the type of guy to request $40 plus million? He seems like a team player kind of guy. I can't see him giving away a contract, but $25 to $30 million a year with a long term commitment by the organization may get him to sign. Then at that point, Baker is actually helping the Browns even more.

Gotta say I might be one of the few Browns fans that's not 100% sold on Mayfield yet. You made some very good points that I agree with. And he's the best QB my team's had in decades. So because of that I want him to be successful.

It seems like he's regressed a little this year. I know injuries are never anything legit (or at least that's what I've been told). But he's trying to play through the season with one good arm. And I don't care what QB it is if one is trying to play though something like that it's gonna affect his game. Also missing Chubb & Hunt isn't helping things offensively.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Gotta say I might be one of the few Browns fans that's not 100% sold on Mayfield yet. You made some very good points that I agree with. And he's the best QB my team's had in decades. So because of that I want him to be successful.

It seems like he's regressed a little this year. I know injuries are never anything legit (or at least that's what I've been told). But he's trying to play through the season with one good arm. And I don't care what QB it is if one is trying to play though something like that it's gonna affect his game. Also missing Chubb & Hunt isn't helping things offensively.

Plus, like you said, this is a painful injury. He is out there giving it his all to help the Browns succeed and playing through the pain. He is willing to throw blocks for his teammates. He is injured because he is not a selfish player, but a football player that wants to win a team sport. Anything he can do to help he is willing to do it. I bet if the team needed him to play LB, he would be willing to play both ways to help them win. Baker just seems like that type of guy to me the more I read about him.

I think the Browns are very lucky to have Baker, and I think with a 100% healthy Baker Mayfield, they have a damn good QB capable of winning playoff games, as proven last year. However, when you have half your stars sitting out from week to week because of injury or covid and a QB who is injured on his non-throwing shoulder, and now his leg...it is going to be rough sledding. Baker will be healthy next year in his 5th year, he will ball out and you will probably have to pay a bit more for waiting, but either way, I think the Browns are better off with Baker than without him.

My question is, who are the Browns going to get that is better with a mid to lower 1st round pick, or available in FA?

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

I find it odd that OBJ gets a free pass for quitting on the Browns. He had issues with the Giants. Somehow that wasn't his fault. Gets to Cleveland is never healthy & didn't practice. Somehow that's not his fault.

Guess it's easier for people to blame a dysfunctional organization than put any blame on the player that's had the issues with both teams he's played for.

I knew getting him would bite the Browns in the ass. But had no idea that OBJ wouldn't be held accountable for his own actions.

Trust me this is 99.99% on OBJ. The Browns get the black eye because they are the team and all we ever look at is the .01%.

Look at the Steelers/Antonio Brown fiasco and then the Raiders/Brown Fiasco. Somehow both teams got screwed in the end.

Equal blame really... But Im only lookin at it from a business standpoint right now. A leopard doesn't change it spots... The fact of the matter is that the Browns accepted accountability for this guy as soon as they decided to take on the risk of acquiring him. Its kind of like marrying a gold-digger without a prenup, or buying a used car with 200k miles on it. You have to be willing to accept a shit ton of risk that never goes away.

I'm not acquitting OBJ of his actions though. He is 110% a piece of sh!t, and deserves misfortune to come his way. But the fact remains that the Browns were willing to take on that risk. I'm not going to give them a pass for turning around and crying about it when it goes south.

And much like AB and his exodus, I still point fingers at the Steelers for creating & enabling that monster. They did an admirable job of maintaining that POS, but they still had a big hand in creating who he ended up being. I admit I was in denial of it at first, mainly because we didn't know the entire picture and what went on for years behind closed doors.

 

[thedddd]

I guess to be fair on all the Baker bashing he is the best QB the Browns have had since Kosar.

But that might all be relative, in the sense he is the cutest girl from the omega MU sorority.

 

[thedddd]

Equal blame really... But Im only lookin at it from a business standpoint right now. A leopard doesn't change it spots... The fact of the matter is that the Browns accepted accountability for this guy as soon as they decided to take on the risk of acquiring him. Its kind of like marrying a gold-digger without a prenup, or buying a used car with 200k miles on it. You have to be willing to accept a shit ton of risk that never goes away.

I'm not acquitting OBJ of his actions though. He is 110% a piece of sh!t, and deserves misfortune to come his way. But the fact remains that the Browns were willing to take on that risk. I'm not going to give them a pass for turning around and crying about it when it goes south.

And much like AB and his exodus, I still point fingers at the Steelers for creating & enabling that monster. They did an admirable job of maintaining that POS, but they still had a big hand in creating who he ended up being. I admit I was in denial of it at first, mainly because we didn't know the entire picture and what went on for years behind closed doors.

Great point. They didn't need to sign him, Then Steelers could have cut bait sooner on Brown and the Raiders didn't need to trade for him.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

I think Baker is a good player with a lot of heart and great leadership. His guys like to rally around him.

The Browns have dealt with a lot of health issues also, Baker being one of those. Prior to getting hurt, Baker was completing over 80% of his passes and at one point this year, he had the longest completion (in the air yards) in the league around 63 yards or something like that. So he has a strong arm, he doesn't throw too many INT's, he is a good leader and teammate. Also, who says that Baker is the type of guy to request $40 plus million? He seems like a team player kind of guy. I can't see him giving away a contract, but $25 to $30 million a year with a long term commitment by the organization may get him to sign. Then at that point, Baker is actually helping the Browns even more.

There ain't no way Baker signs anything less than $35m per. Because he could get that outside of Cleveland easily. Discounts are rarely ever accepted by players coming off a rookie contract unless there are off the field issues at hand. Your window to maximize your career earnings is highest at that moment.

I do think Baker is a fiery competitor and has great leadership qualities. Great traits you want from a QB, but many other backup QBs in the history of this league possess those traits. I'm of the opinion that if you can't get the best version of Baker behind this top 3 OL unit & surrounded with top-tier talent, then what can we realistically expect to see from him elsewhere? He is in the perfect place to thrive, and he hasn't sustained it long enough for anyone to believe in him. But I say that while also knowing that there are plenty of desperate teams out there that would be willing to sign him.