A.L. Central Discussion 2016

[Omar 382]

Pelfrey is looking like a major mistake by Detroit. Numbers are awful. WHIP 2.09 Twenty five innings pitched and 15 walks. ERA of 6.75. And Detroit paid for two years of that?

Normally, I'm going to let us go our separate ways, but seeing that you did use statistics (!), I will point out something you mentioned: 25 IP. But Pelfrey is a bad pitcher. At best, he can be league average (93 FIP- in 200.2 IP in 2008, where 100 is league average, and 99 is a 1% better FIP than league average, and a 101 is 1% worse), but that was eight years ago. Eight years ago, George Bush was still president, gas was around 5 bucks a gallon, Roger Clemens was still pitching in MLB, and Roy Halladay, Johan Santana, and Roy Oswalt were the best pitchers in baseball. He's been hurt and/or league average at best over the past 5 years. Still, at 8 million dollars, it's not an awful idea to see if he can turn things around, especially with their lack of depth and Verlander's injury history. It just hasn't worked out thus far

 

[Omar 382]

the Latos regression has begun

I refuse to believe it

 

[broncosmitty]

Mike Pelfry is hot garbage. In a good year.

 

[Iffster]

Normally, I'm going to let us go our separate ways, but seeing that you did use statistics (!), I will point out something you mentioned: 25 IP. But Pelfrey is a bad pitcher. At best, he can be league average (93 FIP- in 200.2 IP in 2008, where 100 is league average, and 99 is a 1% better FIP than league average, and a 101 is 1% worse), but that was eight years ago. Eight years ago, George Bush was still president, gas was around 5 bucks a gallon, Roger Clemens was still pitching in MLB, and Roy Halladay, Johan Santana, and Roy Oswalt were the best pitchers in baseball. He's been hurt and/or league average at best over the past 5 years. Still, at 8 million dollars, it's not an awful idea to see if he can turn things around, especially with their lack of depth and Verlander's injury history. It just hasn't worked out thus far

(And Sanchez' injury history.) Pelfrey does not really deserve more chances, but considering that Detroit does not have any sure-fire replacements...and the $16mil they stupidly invested in him....I am sure that Pelfrey will get a few more chances to see if he has anything to offer. He might move to mop-up duty for awhile, but I'd bet money that Ausmus will eventually get a call from the front office to give Pelfrey another chance or two, as soon as one of the youngsters stumbles or somebody gets a sore arm.

 

[Howie115]

He might move to mop-up duty for awhile, but I'd bet money that Ausmus will eventually get a call from the front office to give Pelfrey another chance or two, as soon as one of the youngsters stumbles of somebody gets a sore arm.

Quoted from CBSsports:

Ausmus said he had no reason to think Pelfrey, who signed a $16 million contract in the offseason, wouldn't make his next scheduled start.

''Contract doesn't have anything to do with the decision I make. I don't make a lineup out because a guy makes money,'' Ausmus said.

 

[handicappers]

Normally, I'm going to let us go our separate ways, but seeing that you did use statistics (!), I will point out something you mentioned: 25 IP. But Pelfrey is a bad pitcher. At best, he can be league average (93 FIP- in 200.2 IP in 2008, where 100 is league average, and 99 is a 1% better FIP than league average, and a 101 is 1% worse), but that was eight years ago. Eight years ago, George Bush was still president, gas was around 5 bucks a gallon, Roger Clemens was still pitching in MLB, and Roy Halladay, Johan Santana, and Roy Oswalt were the best pitchers in baseball. He's been hurt and/or league average at best over the past 5 years. Still, at 8 million dollars, it's not an awful idea to see if he can turn things around, especially with their lack of depth and Verlander's injury history. It just hasn't worked out thus far

Your use of the FIP stat here doesn't apply. One more instance where you completely failed.

 

[broncosmitty]

Quoted from CBSsports:

Ausmus said he had no reason to think Pelfrey, who signed a $16 million contract in the offseason, wouldn't make his next scheduled start.

''Contract doesn't have anything to do with the decision I make. I don't make a lineup out because a guy makes money,'' Ausmus said.

Did Ausmus go on to say how his replacement is in Toledo? And how he'd like to keep him there?

When he does go, I hope Avila doesn't make it past the executioner either. But he will.

 

[dougplayer]

Lots of bats in the pelfrey..... inning that is

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

@SlinkyRedfoot If Howie or by some odd or random chance Doug declines, I'm in.

Yo, dude!

I never heard from Howie, and Doug has absolutely no heart, so that means you're up for this week's series avi bet.

Now, full disclosure: the Indians have been losing series like it's their fucking jobs and I've had/will have a pretty rigorous travel schedule and when I'm traveling, I hardly post at all, so I've been giving guys who won an avi bet against me a few extra days so they get their dollar's worth. So, I'm backed up with other folks' avis for a bit.

This is embarrassing, but should you win the bet, I can't sport your avi until May 21st. If that's still cool with you, we're on!

I fucking hope the Indians learn to win a fucking series pretty soon. . .

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Your use of the FIP stat here doesn't apply. One more instance where you completely failed.

Don't mess with him, because he's a super-duper dangerous gangster, constantly on the run from the cops, who's also going to college, is two hundred pounds over weight and is really into advanced baseball stats even if he doesn't understand how to use them.

That all adds up, right?

 

[Omar 382]

Don't mess with him, because he's a super-duper dangerous gangster, constantly on the run from the cops, who's also going to college, is two hundred pounds over weight and is really into advanced baseball stats even if he doesn't understand how to use them.

That all adds up, right?

Never said I was a gangster, nor was I ever on the run from the cops. I am overweight, I am in college, and I have a basic, if not advanced, understanding of baseball statistics.

 

[Omar 382]

I have ignored Handjob, but I looked at his post. Can you, Slinky, please explain how I misused FIP? Is FIP not a measure of how good a pitcher is; stripping out defense, luck, and sequence? Please enlighten me with your vast and superior knowledge and handling of statistics, Slinky

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Never said I was a gangster, nor was I ever on the run from the cops. I am overweight, I am in college, and I have a basic, if not advanced, understanding of baseball statistics.

Tell me more about zone ratings for folks who played in the twenties!

 

[Omar 382]

Tell me more about zone ratings for folks who played in the twenties!

Sure, when you don't have any other significant defensive ratings to go by, you use TZ with a huge grain of salt. Or you'd rather use fielding percentage I guess.

Tell me more about how I misused FIP!

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I have ignored Handjob, but I looked at his post. Can you, Slinky, please explain how I misused FIP? Is FIP not a measure of how good a pitcher is; stripping out defense, luck, and sequence? Please enlighten me with your vast and superior knowledge and handling of statistics, Slinky

That's a nice campsite he's set up in your head. I see him right over there; he's rolling out the Weber Kettle Grill to cook some ribeyes.

If my eyes aren't deceiving me, I think he's even got some s'mores for later.

 

[Omar 382]

Tell me more about zone ratings for folks who played in the twenties!

"TZ and TZL are both good metrics, although UZR and DRS are still considered the more accurate fielding metrics. However, UZR and DRS can only be calculated for modern-day players due to technology constraints, so TZ is the best historical fielding statistic available. If you want to compare a modern day player’s fielding with a player from the 1940s, TZ would be the statistic to use."

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Tell me more about how I misused FIP!

So I'm here to defend other posters' comments?

 

[Omar 382]

That's a nice campsite he's set up in your head. I see him right over there; he's rolling out the Weber Kettle Grill to cook some ribeyes.

If my eyes aren't deceiving me, I think he's even got some s'mores for later.

And I'm not funny...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

"TZ and TZL are both good metrics, although UZR and DRS are still considered the more accurate fielding metrics. However, UZR and DRS can only be calculated for modern-day players due to technology constraints, so TZ is the best historical fielding statistic available. If you want to compare a modern day player’s fielding with a player from the 1940s, TZ would be the statistic to use."

Good luck with that.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

And I'm not funny...

That's very, very true.