2025 Rosterbation

[calsnowskier]

Just a reminder that it is LIKELY that we were never really in on Sasaki. All reports indicate that we are getting the non-Sasaki top international amateur this year (Josuar De Jesus Gonzalez) who is being described as a good #1 overall pick. If we do sign him, he immediately becomes our #2 prospect (maybe #1).

 

[tzill]

Never thought I would see the phrase .... is baseball broken ... but .... it made me pause and reflect on just where the sport has evolved to today. Sort of lost the wonder it held for me as a kid when money and ownership weren't even in the equation. Just can't see how an average team can compete with the super elite teams. I still believe that you can't purchase a World Series title but it seems that you can sure as hell purchase a ticket to show. Dodgers have been perennial Division champions for what seems like forever and they continue to acquire the top free agents that the market has to offer. Hard to compete with that. I really don't see a clear way for teams like the Giants to compete for top tier FAs. Money is not the final solution. It may help but it's not all the FA is looking for ....

Hi, the 50s, 60s, and 70s Yankees are on the phone.

 

[LHG]

Hi, the 50s, 60s, and 70s Yankees are on the phone.

That's a busy phone call. Can you tell them to call back later? Or send a text message instead?

 

[LHG]

Just a reminder that it is LIKELY that we were never really in on Sasaki. All reports indicate that we are getting the non-Sasaki top international amateur this year (Josuar De Jesus Gonzalez) who is being described as a good #1 overall pick. If we do sign him, he immediately becomes our #2 prospect (maybe #1).

Hope we land him if he is that good.

 

[calsnowskier]

Hope we land him if he is that good.

Apparently he is essentially already signed, sealed and delivered. We essentially signed him about 2 years ago (I have no idea how any of that works).

 

[sf1giantfan]

Apparently he is essentially already signed, sealed and delivered. We essentially signed him about 2 years ago (I have no idea how any of that works).

He is just waiting for the bus to pick him up? 2 years is a long wait.

 

[calsnowskier]

He is just waiting for the bus to pick him up? 2 years is a long wait.

Those Latin signings are D-I-R-T-Y.

There really should be a draft of these players. Have a separate 20-round draft of these kids. The order is the same as the “regular” draft, but if a team uses their first pick in the Latin draft, they forfeit their 1st pick in the US version. If a team doesn’t take anyone in the Latin version, they keep that lick for the US version. Skipping a pick does not remove a team from the draft, they just keep that pick for the US draft. If they don’t pick until the 3rd round, they are valuing the player they are picking as a 3rd round pick.

 

[LHG]

Those Latin signings are D-I-R-T-Y.

There really should be a draft of these players. Have a separate 20-round draft of these kids. The order is the same as the “regular” draft, but if a team uses their first pick in the Latin draft, they forfeit their 1st pick in the US version. If a team doesn’t take anyone in the Latin version, they keep that lick for the US version. Skipping a pick does not remove a team from the draft, they just keep that pick for the US draft. If they don’t pick until the 3rd round, they are valuing the player they are picking as a 3rd round pick.

I like the draft idea but maybe have two different lotteries to determine the top 15 picks for the Latin version. Hold it after the U.S. lottery and remove the team that gets the 1st pick in the US draft. They get bumped down to the 15th pick in the Latin draft.

 

[calsnowskier]

I like the draft idea but maybe have two different lotteries to determine the top 15 picks for the Latin version. Hold it after the U.S. lottery and remove the team that gets the 1st pick in the US draft. They get bumped down to the 15th pick in the Latin draft.

I am not a fan of having 2 unrelated drafts. Either treat the international version like a supplement to the “main” draft (like I described above), or just drop the ints into the same pool and have just 1 draft.

 

[calsnowskier]

I think I read somewhere that the top of the US draft pool this year is pretty thin. And the top 2 Latin players (Gonzalez and Peña) are both LEGIT stud prospects. So in my proposed international supplemental draft, they would likely go 1-2 (excluding Sasaki, who would absolutely go #1). And Gonzalez is the likely consensus #1 (#2).

 

[SF11704]

Hi, the 50s, 60s, and 70s Yankees are on the phone.

In the 50s ... as a 10 year old kid ... I never considered all that was happening within negotations concerning money and management ... it just was never a concern to a 10 year old. I never intended to convey the idea that it was never being considered ... that would just be stupid. The statement was never intended to convey what you are suggesting .....

 

[LHG]

I am not a fan of having 2 unrelated drafts. Either treat the international version like a supplement to the “main” draft (like I described above), or just drop the ints into the same pool and have just 1 draft.

Not sure how this is much different from your idea, except in determining the draft order.

 

[LHG]

I think I read somewhere that the top of the US draft pool this year is pretty thin. And the top 2 Latin players (Gonzalez and Peña) are both LEGIT stud prospects. So in my proposed international supplemental draft, they would likely go 1-2 (excluding Sasaki, who would absolutely go #1). And Gonzalez is the likely consensus #1 (#2).

Okay, so maybe I misread your original idea. Are you saying just integrate all "amateur" players into one draft? I may not be following your idea then. Are you suggesting that a team either picks a foreign or a domestic player per round but not both?

 

[calsnowskier]

Not sure how this is much different from your idea, except in determining the draft order.

Because you are saying there should be 2 separate drafts (unless I am misunderstanding your “proposal”). Did I misunderstand?

 

[calsnowskier]

Okay, so maybe I misread your original idea. Are you saying just integrate all "amateur" players into one draft? I may not be following your idea then. Are you suggesting that a team either picks a foreign or a domestic player per round but not both?

In a traditional supplemental draft, if a team makes a selection in the first round, they are exchanging the corresponding pick in the “real” draft to make the supplemental selection.

In my proposal, the Nats would be on the clock first tomorrow. They would have the choice of selecting Sasaki, Gonzalez, Peña or any other international amateur (though those 3 are the consensus top 3, from everything I have seen). If they wanted Sasaki, they would draft him, thus “forfeiting” the top pick in the June Amateur draft. The Angels would then be up, deciding to take wither Gonzalez (assuming he is the consensus) or having the top pick in June. Next up would be Seattle, Colorado, St Louis, etc. However, unlike the Rule V draft, where once a team skips their pick, they are out, this process continues through 20 rounds (or however long the current June draft lasts). So the Giants, who have the 13 pick, would look at the available pool (let’s assume 4 players have been taken at this point) and decide if the #5 international player left would be more valuable than the #9 pick in the June portion of the draft.

Obviously timing wouldn’t work out given how the draft order for June still isn’t 100% set (QOs still need to be finalized), but if it is decided that this method were to be adopted, proper timing would be set in the negotiation for establishing it.

 

[LHG]

In a traditional supplemental draft, if a team makes a selection in the first round, they are exchanging the corresponding pick in the “real” draft to make the supplemental selection.

In my proposal, the Nats would be on the clock first tomorrow. They would have the choice of selecting Sasaki, Gonzalez, Peña or any other international amateur (though those 3 are the consensus top 3, from everything I have seen). If they wanted Sasaki, they would draft him, thus “forfeiting” the top pick in the June Amateur draft. The Angels would then be up, deciding to take wither Gonzalez (assuming he is the consensus) or having the top pick in June. Next up would be Seattle, Colorado, St Louis, etc. However, unlike the Rule V draft, where once a team skips their pick, they are out, this process continues through 20 rounds (or however long the current June draft lasts). So the Giants, who have the 13 pick, would look at the available pool (let’s assume 4 players have been taken at this point) and decide if the #5 international player left would be more valuable than the #9 pick in the June portion of the draft.

Obviously timing wouldn’t work out given how the draft order for June still isn’t 100% set (QOs still need to be finalized), but if it is decided that this method were to be adopted, proper timing would be set in the negotiation for establishing it.

I don't think either the league or the players' union would be in favor of that. To me, it seems a bit too complex. How could teams determine that the player at the 18th pick of the 1st round in the international draft could be potentially a better pick than the guy that could possibly be available at the same spot in the domestic draft. Are you suggesting that the two drafts go simultaneously? What would be the gap in time between the two?

 

[calsnowskier]

I don't think either the league or the players' union would be in favor of that. To me, it seems a bit too complex. How could teams determine that the player at the 18th pick of the 1st round in the international draft could be potentially a better pick than the guy that could possibly be available at the same spot in the domestic draft. Are you suggesting that the two drafts go simultaneously? What would be the gap in time between the two?

If the timing were to be set up so the “international period“ were to come side with the “June Draft”, then there is no reason to have 2 drafts. Just put all eligible players into a single pool.

But if there are reasons to have the “international draft” occurs at a different time, than use my spelled out proposal. Will it happen? Absolutely not. But I didn’t exactly make it up. The NFL uses it to address players who became eligible between the declaration period and the actual draft. It is rare, but it still happens. It was last used in 2019 when the Cards used a 5th rounder to select Jalen Thompson. Cris Carter was selected by the Eagles with a 4th round pick in ‘87 and made the HOF.

 

[LHG]

If the timing were to be set up so the “international period“ were to come side with the “June Draft”, then there is no reason to have 2 drafts. Just put all eligible players into a single pool.

But if there are reasons to have the “international draft” occurs at a different time, than use my spelled out proposal. Will it happen? Absolutely not. But I didn’t exactly make it up. The NFL uses it to address players who became eligible between the declaration period and the actual draft. It is rare, but it still happens. It was last used in 2019 when the Cards used a 5th rounder to select Jalen Thompson. Cris Carter was selected by the Eagles with a 4th round pick in ‘87 and made the HOF.

I'm not really familiar with the NFL's draft rules. As for MLB, I'd rather see one draft for all players, foreign or domestic. Maybe your idea would work but it seems too convoluted to me and, I think, for anyone to seriously run with. However, I do think that the international amateur market needs serious revamping. It seems that every once in a while, some big issue comes up with it but instead of fixing it, MLB just puts a band aid on it to mask the continued issues ("See, we solved the problem. You cannot see it now, right? Let us know if you can still see it").

 

[Stokes1931]

That's a busy phone call. Can you tell them to call back later? Or send a text message instead?

Wait a minute. The cassette for my answering machine is full. I will have to go look for a replacement, or else erase all my important messages.