2023 Rosterbation

[tzill]

End of season musings for next year's 40 man roster

Locks to be on the 23 team (13)
Bart C
Crawford IF
Estrada IF
Flores IF
Slater OF
Yastrzemski OF
Brebbia RP
DeSclafani SP
Doval RP
Garcia RP
Webb SP
Wood SP
Cobb SP

Likely to be on the 23 team (6):
Davis IF
Longoria IF
Villar IF
Rogers RP
Long RP
Junis RP

FAs that might be back (5):
Rodon SP
Belt IF
Pederson OF
Miller RP
Alexander RP

Unlikely to be back
La Stella IF
Littell RP
Wade OF

Minors
Alvarez
Mercedes
Cotton
Dean
Delaplane
Diaz
Gonzalez
Hjelle
Johnson
Llovera
Marte
Ortiz
Proctor
Ramos
Rodriguez
Santos
Szapucki
Tom
Vosler
Waites
Walton
Welker
Wynns
Young

 

[tzill]

So, to sum up the 26 man roster: (FA)

SP: Webb, Wood, Cobb, Disco, (Rodon), Junis, Long, Hjelle
RP: Doval, Brebbia, Garcia, Rogers, (Miller), (Alexander), Szapucki
C: Bart, Wynns
IF: Estrada, Crawford, Longoria, Flores, Davis, Villar, (Turner)
OF: Slater, Yaz, (Pedo), Ramos, (Judge)

A couple of holes that could be nicely filled by Judge and Turner. Just sayin...

Slater CF
Longo 3B
Turner SS
Judge RF
Pederson DH
Davis 1B
Yaz LF
Estrada 2B
Bart C

Isn't a bad lineup
Bench: Wynns/Flores/Craw/Ramos/Slater

Webb/Rodon/Cobb/Wood/Disco
Doval/Brebbia/TRog/Harleen/Alexander/Junis/Miller/Long

Wouldn't suck. Probably.

 

[LHG]

End of season musings for next year's 40 man roster

Locks to be on the 23 team (13)
Bart C
Crawford IF
Estrada IF
Flores IF
Slater OF
Yastrzemski OF
Brebbia RP
DeSclafani SP
Doval RP
Garcia RP
Webb SP
Wood SP
Cobb SP

Likely to be on the 23 team (6):
Davis IF
Longoria IF
Villar IF
Rogers RP
Long RP
Junis RP

FAs that might be back (5):
Rodon SP
Belt IF
Pederson OF
Miller RP
Alexander RP

Unlikely to be back
La Stella IF
Littell RP
Wade OF

Minors
Alvarez
Mercedes
Cotton
Dean
Delaplane
Diaz
Gonzalez
Hjelle
Johnson
Llovera
Marte
Ortiz
Proctor
Ramos
Rodriguez
Santos
Szapucki
Tom
Vosler
Waites
Walton
Welker
Wynns
Young

Generally agree but I don't think Villar and Long are quite in the "likely to be on the 23" category. Unfortunately for Villar, the Giants have a few 1st-3rd guys and the combination of Estrada and Flores lock up 2nd. If the Giants make a splash at both 1st and short, Villar is definitely starting 23 at AAA.
Long seemed to get lost in the shuffle before he went down for the year with an injury. I'm not sure he'll survive the dfa shuffle come November. We will see.

As for your minors' list, I think Cotton should get moved up. He earns at least being in the 2nd category (plus I think he is out of options).

To make some fixes on your minors list - Tom is no longer in the organization. He got released a couple of months ago. Mercedes and Diaz will be minor league free agents. Cotton, Dean, Gonzalez, Llovera, Szapucki, Walton and Wynns don't have options left. That leaves them to be possible dfa'd this offseason and become minor league free agents as well.
Is Alvarez Jose Alvarez? Are you expecting him to sign a minor league deal? Will he even be able to pitch in 23?

 

[tzill]

Generally agree but I don't think Villar and Long are quite in the "likely to be on the 23" category. Unfortunately for Villar, the Giants have a few 1st-3rd guys and the combination of Estrada and Flores lock up 2nd. If the Giants make a splash at both 1st and short, Villar is definitely starting 23 at AAA.
Long seemed to get lost in the shuffle before he went down for the year with an injury. I'm not sure he'll survive the dfa shuffle come November. We will see.

As for your minors' list, I think Cotton should get moved up. He earns at least being in the 2nd category (plus I think he is out of options).

To make some fixes on your minors list - Tom is no longer in the organization. He got released a couple of months ago. Mercedes and Diaz will be minor league free agents. Cotton, Dean, Gonzalez, Llovera, Szapucki, Walton and Wynns don't have options left. That leaves them to be possible dfa'd this offseason and become minor league free agents as well.
Is Alvarez Jose Alvarez? Are you expecting him to sign a minor league deal? Will he even be able to pitch in 23?

Thanks for the corrections. I didn't look at the contracts. Alvarez is indeed a FA too.

 

[LHG]

It seems that Longoria is leaning toward playing next year but the Giants are not automatic in bringing him back . . .

Giants Place Evan Longoria On IL With Thumb Fracture

The Giants announced a series of roster moves prior to tonight's game, with third baseman Evan Longoria being placed on …

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[LHG]

Wow, the free agent options at 3rd base are thin this offseason! Do the Giants make a run at Arenado or exercise the option on Longoria? There isn't anyone else worth signing.

Previewing The 2022-23 Free Agent Class: Third Basemen

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[calsnowskier]

Wow, the free agent options at 3rd base are thin this offseason! Do the Giants make a run at Arenado or exercise the option on Longoria? There isn't anyone else worth signing.

Previewing The 2022-23 Free Agent Class: Third Basemen

Nolan Arenado headlines the class of free agent third basemen... if he opts out. MLB Trade Rumors previews the third base market. Click to read.

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Arenado is too big for us at 3B, imho. We just need a half season filler. 2 season tops.

 

[tzill]

Wow, the free agent options at 3rd base are thin this offseason! Do the Giants make a run at Arenado or exercise the option on Longoria? There isn't anyone else worth signing.

Previewing The 2022-23 Free Agent Class: Third Basemen

Nolan Arenado headlines the class of free agent third basemen... if he opts out. MLB Trade Rumors previews the third base market. Click to read.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Cant see them spending money on 3b in free agency, with Shmidtt close. I think they bring Longo back, especially if he's open to renegotiate his contract. Say $7-8M? Perfect placeholder while Casey rakes in AAA

 

[calsnowskier]

Near Locks for Opening Day

Logan Webb (R) (1) (A1)
Alex Cobb (R)
Anthony Desclafani (R)
Alex Wood (L)
(Hjelle, Harrison, Junis, Szapucki, FA)

Camilo Doval (R) (2)
Jharel Cotton (R)
Yunior Marte (R) (2) *
Thomas Szapucki (L) *
John Brebbia (R) (1) (A3)
Tyler Rogers (R) (3) (A1)
(2 lefties needed - Alexander, Long, FA)

Joey Bart (1)
(Wynns and Proctor are in house. I hope for a FA)

David Villar (2)
Thairo Estrada (A1)
Brandon Crawford
Evan Longoria (T - 5M/13M)

Wilmer Flores
JD Davis (2) (A3)
(Davis and Flores are very similar players. Maybe Davis gets traded? Or Longo is not brought back and Villar/Davis/Flores man 1B/3B until Schmitt takes 3B)

Austin Slater (1) (A3)
(Slater is the only lock in the OF, imho. Yaz and Wade are both strong possibilities, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see both or neither back. I expect 2 FA adds here)

Currently on roster, but on fence for making the team out of camp

Sean Hjelle (R) (2) *
Jakob Junis (R) (A3)

Sam Delaplane (R) (1) *
Mauricio Llovera (R) *
Sammy Long (L) (1)
Luis Ortiz (R) (2) *
Randy Rodriguez (R) (2) *
Gregory Santos (R) (1) *
Andrew Vasquez (L)
Cole Waites (R) (2) *
Zach Littell (R) (A1) (likely non+tender)
Alex Young (R) (1) (A2)
Jarlin Garcia (L) (A4)

Ford Proctor (2) *
Austin Wynns (A1) (hopeful non+tender)

Taylor Jones
Tommy La Stella (DFA potential)
Jason Vosler (1)
Donovan Walton
Colton Welker (1) *

Austin Dean
Luis Gonzalez
Bryce Johnson (2) *
Heliot Ramos (2) *
LaMonte Wade Jr (A1)
Mike Yastrzemski (3) (A2)

Possible Rule V adds

Luciano
Matos
Beck
Fitzgerald
Stryffler
Marciano
Pomares

Options

Evan Longoria (T - 5M/13M)
Carlos Rodon (L) (P - 22.5M)

Free Agents

Scott Alexander (L)
Jose Alvarez (L)
Brandon Belt
Shelby Miller (R)
Joc Pederson

 

[LHG]

Zaidi: Giants To Pursue Starting Pitcher, Hire GM This Offseason

The Giants entered the 2022 campaign with high hopes after winning 107 games last year, but the team's efforts to …

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Interesting statement at the end of this article:
"Zaidi will retain overall control of the roster, but the new GM will be his second-in-command and a pivotal piece of the front office."

Sounds like Harris was not the one to blame for doing the DFA churn.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Bags was on M&M this AM. He interviewed Pedo recently, and one of the questions he asked was in regards to his defense, and relatedly, his slovenly appearance (indicating a lack of conditioning). Pedo’s response was essentially, “it is what it is. It ain’t changing”.

Fuck this dude. He doesn’t care. Let some other team carry his worthless carcass.

I would be shocked if the Giants resigned him. (He ha a 1-year contract.) Unless, of course, he signs for $2M (which he won't).

 

[MarcoPolo]

LHG said : " I'm not sure he'll {i.e., Long} survive the dfa shuffle come November. We will see. "

There's not much of a reason to use DFAs until next season, since players are not subject to waiver claims until June or July of 2023. UNLESS, of course, the Giants have a full 40-man roster and need a spot immediately for a signing or trade.

 

[LHG]

LHG said : " I'm not sure he'll {i.e., Long} survive the dfa shuffle come November. We will see. "

There's not much of a reason to use DFAs until next season, since players are not subject to waiver claims until June or July of 2023. UNLESS, of course, the Giants have a full 40-man roster and need a spot immediately for a signing or trade.

Considering the amount of guys on the 60 day IL (there's more of them than guys hitting free agency), they will need to dfa players. Typically, teams leave one or two spots open on the 40 man roster, too, for free agent signees and/or Rule 5 draftees (but that is not always the case).

 

[tzill]

OF Willie Calhoun has elected free agency

 

[tzill]

Calhoun was acquired in a midseason trade and was once a well-regarded prospect. He went 1-8 in a brief showing with the Giants.

 

[tzill]

Potential Giants free agent starting pitching targets by HR/9 (Min. 100 in 2022):
1. José Quintana - 0.43 HR/9
2. Martín Pérez - 0.50 HR/9
3. Carlos Rodón - 0.61 HR/9
4. Tyler Anderson - 0.74 HR/9
5. Ross Stripling -0.80 HR/9

 

[LHG]

OF Willie Calhoun has elected free agency

Along with some other former Giants:
Kyle Barraclough
Julian Fernandez
Jake Jewell

 

[LHG]

Potential Giants free agent starting pitching targets by HR/9 (Min. 100 in 2022):
1. José Quintana - 0.43 HR/9
2. Martín Pérez - 0.50 HR/9
3. Carlos Rodón - 0.61 HR/9
4. Tyler Anderson - 0.74 HR/9
5. Ross Stripling -0.80 HR/9

I haven't looked but I do wonder how many of these guys are in line with their career numbers or are they significant one season differences?

 

[LHG]

I am guessing one of the top 4 will be wearing a Giants' uniform next April:

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And if its not one of the top 4, then the Giants need to pass on this group.

 

[tzill]

From Grant Brisbee today:

Locks for the 26 man

C — Joey Bart

INF — Wilmer Flores
INF — Thairo Estrada
INF — Brandon Crawford
INF — J.D. Davis

OF — Mike Yastrzemski
OF — Austin Slater

SP — Logan Webb
SP — Alex Cobb
SP — Alex Wood
SP — Anthony DeSclafani

RP — Camilo Doval
RP — John Brebbia
RP — Tyler Rogers
RP — Jarlin García


Locks for the 40 man

SP/RP — Sean Hjelle
SP/RP — Jakob Junis
RP — Randy Rodríguez
RP — Cole Waites
INF — David Villar
OF — Heliot Ramos

Probable for the 40 man
RP — Gregory Santos
RP — Scott Alexander
RP — Thomas Szapucki
SP/RP — Sam Long
OF — Luis González
OF — LaMonte Wade, Jr

Maybe the 40 man

RP — Shelby Miller
INF — Donovan Walton
INF — Tommy La Stella

Cuttable

RP — Zack Littell
RP — Mauricio Llovera
RP — Sam Delaplane
RP — Yunior Marte
RP — Luis Ortíz
RP — Andrew Vasquez
RP — Alex Young
C — Ford Proctor
C — Austin Wynns
INF/OF — Taylor Jones
INF — Jason Vosler
INF — Colton Welker
OF — Austin Dean
OF — Bryce Johnson

15 active locks, 6 forty man locks. Thats 21
Luciano makes 22 (he'll be added), Matos likely to be added, thats 23.
Add the six probables and you have 29.

Eleven likely open spots.

2023 Estimated payroll per MLBTR

Brandon Crawford	$16M
Alex Wood	$12.5M
Anthony DeSclafani	$12M
Tommy La Stella	$11.5M
Alex Cobb	$9M
Wilmer Flores	$6.5M
Mike Yastrzemski	$5.7M
Evan Longoria	$5M
Logan Webb	$4.8M
J.D. Davis	$3.8M
Jakob Junis	$3.3M
Austin Slater	$2.7M
Thairo Estrada	$2.4M
Jarlin García	$2.4M
John Brebbia	$1.9M
Tyler Rogers	$1.8M
Joey Bart	$800K
Camilo Doval	$800K
Total	$102.9M

$103 in commitments with 11 spots to fill. A couple will be MLM (Waites? Villar?). A couple might be low cost (LWJ?). Call it five spots filled this way. $110M with six open spots.

Assume about $180M budget (pre COVID). One position player FA and a Rodon replacement (or Rodon!!).

If we go to $200M, 2 position players plus an ace, maybe a reliever.

A boy can dream.