2023 Rosterbation

[msgkings322]

Can I come over and #### your sister?

 

[tzill]

bottom line is we got better at several positions:

C: Bart/Wynns. Last year a younger Bart. He should improve.
1b: Flowers/LWJ. Last year, a shitshow with a mostly hurt BB9, Ruf, LWJ, Davis, Doobie, etc....
2b: Tyro/Flowers. Last year was a year younger Tyro, corpse of Stars, Doobie, Flowers
SS: Craw -- same as last year
3B: VR/Davis -- last year the shitshow of a hurt Longo and a parade of fill ins
OF: Conforto/Yaz/Haniger -- last year was Joc/Yaz/Gonzalez
DH: Joc. last year was the corpse of Stars.

SP: Webb/Cobb/Manny/Wood/Strip. Last year Webb/Rodon/Cobb/Wood/Junis
RP: Rogers/Rogers/Brebbia/Marte/Waites. Last year Rogers/Brebbia/Harleen/Leone/Shittel
CL: Doval. Last year a younger Doval

This team is better. And FZ isn't quite done.

 

[tzill]

Can I come over and #### your sister?

I asked. She said no..

 

[LHG]

Well, this is interesting.

Carlos Correa's Camp In Discussions With At Least One Team Other Than Mets

It has now been more than two weeks since Carlos Correa and the Mets agreed to terms on a 12-year contract. …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[tzill]

Twins I bet

 

[Mays-Fan]

Twins I bet

I thought I read somewhere that they offered 10/285 before Correaberg talked to us.

Don't ask me to find the link.



EDIT: Actually you already did.

 

[Mays-Fan]

SS: Craw -- same as last year

He'll be better than 2022, but not as good as 2021

 

[LHG]

Twins Rejoin Correa Bidding As Mets Grow "Frustrated"

The Twins have reemerged as a candidate to sign Carlos Correa after the Mets have grown "frustrated" by talks. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[Mays-Fan]

Twins Rejoin Correa Bidding As Mets Grow "Frustrated"

The Twins have reemerged as a candidate to sign Carlos Correa after the Mets have grown "frustrated" by talks. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

At some point, we should consider jumping back in. The article does not indicate that the Twins' initial 10/285 is still on the table. Likely not. Is a 6/150 warranted from us? Possibly an 8/190?

 

[filosofy29]

At some point, we should consider jumping back in. The article does not indicate that the Twins' initial 10/285 is still on the table. Likely not. Is a 6/150 warranted from us? Possibly an 8/190?

I haven’t seen it confirmed, but I think Correa is not too happy with us since we started his lost money escapade lol

 

[Mays-Fan]

I haven’t seen it confirmed, but I think Correa is not too happy with us since we started his lost money escapade lol

That could be, but I'm ok with him being butt-hurt if he signs with us for a price that properly reflects risk-reward. Every team out there is now aware that there is an issue and have lowered or eliminated their interest accordingly.

The market for his services has shrunk, likely substantially. If we make the best offer, I suspect he'll take it.

This is going to make for an interesting game of Chicken. The clock is ticking.

 

[calsnowskier]

I haven’t seen it confirmed, but I think Correa is not too happy with us since we started his lost money escapade lol

I suspect the Giants are not too happy with him and how his agent talked about the Giants after the deal fell through. FZ already said, on the record, that he does not expect the Giants to re-enter discussions with Correa.


Not sure if either side is right/wrong, but sometimes you just need to walk away and let the relationship die on the vine.

 

[tzill]

I suspect the Giants are not too happy with him and how his agent talked about the Giants after the deal fell through. FZ already said, on the record, that he does not expect the Giants to re-enter discussions with Correa.


Not sure if either side is right/wrong, but sometimes you just need to walk away and let the relationship die on the vine.

They weren't pissed enough at Boras to not sign Conforto.

The Giants announced the two-year, $36 million deal with Michael Conforto. It’s $18 million both years and he can opt out after the first season if he reaches 350 plate appearances. Austin Wynns was DFA’d to clear a roster spot.

 

[Mays-Fan]

They weren't pissed enough at Boras to not sign Conforto.

The Giants announced the two-year, $36 million deal with Michael Conforto. It’s $18 million both years and he can opt out after the first season if he reaches 350 plate appearances. Austin Wynns was DFA’d to clear a roster spot.

Agents and FO's have a love/hate relationship, as they should. If Boras throws some shade at us for revealing the truth, so be it. It's part of the dance.

Your last sentence is, however, somewhat troubling. Who is the backup C now? Presumably we will sign another, but then someone has to get bumped. Who?

 

[LHG]

Agents and FO's have a love/hate relationship, as they should. If Boras throws some shade at us for revealing the truth, so be it. It's part of the dance.

Your last sentence is, however, somewhat troubling. Who is the backup C now? Presumably we will sign another, but then someone has to get bumped. Who?

Maybe Yunior Marte will catch on the days he isn't giving up runs in relief.

Edit: Seriously, though, who is going to be the backup? The market is really thin on catchers. Only one or two are marginally better than Wynns. The Giants don't even have a veteran catcher on a minor league deal yet.

 

[calsnowskier]

my WAG on the the catching situation is that Sabol will be the primary BU catcher. But having a R5 rookie who has never been primarily a catcher as your primary back up to start the season seems short sighted. Maybe they think Bailey’s defense is advanced enough to make the jump? Maybe there is a trade in the works?

I have no idea.

 

[calsnowskier]

Per MLBTR, the remaining FA catchers…

Jorge Alfaro (30)
Robinson Chirinos (38)
Sandy Leon (34)
Roberto Perez (34)
Kevin Plawecki (32)
Gary Sanchez (30)
Luis Torrens (27)

Maybe Sanchez?

 

[LHG]

Per MLBTR, the remaining FA catchers…

Jorge Alfaro (30)
Robinson Chirinos (38)
Sandy Leon (34)
Roberto Perez (34)
Kevin Plawecki (32)
Gary Sanchez (30)
Luis Torrens (27)

Maybe Sanchez?

One of the areas that the Giants were rumored to be considering an upgrade was Joey Bart's backup (although some rumblings suggested making Bart the backup and AAA replacement fodder). We all know about Austin Wynns, average catcher (0.2 dWAR from BBRef generally lines up with perceived defensive abilities) with a below average bat (his .671 OPS and 90 OPS+ in 2022 are career highs, across 4 big league seasons. He is also 32). However, catchers have been flying off the free agent market. Here is a look at the 9 remaining free agent catchers (ranked youngest to oldest):
1. Luis Torrens (26) - Once a prospect of note with the Padres, Torrens looked like he had a future in Seattle when he posted a .730 OPS (102 OPS+) in his first taste of a full season in the big leagues in 2021. However, that was tempered a -0.3 dWAR. So when his offense cratered in 2022 (71 OPS+) and his defense didn't get much better than league average (0.2 dWAR) he dropped in the Mariners' depth charts and got non-tendered. He is young and could bounce back offensively but may not be a good compliment to Bart. His 2022 season was worse than Wynns.
2. Brian O'Keefe (29) - Another nontender (a theme thus far), O'Keefe has only played in 2 games in the big leagues, both with Seattle in 2022 (who nontendered him along with Torrens). He's had a few decent offensive seasons in the minor leagues but moved very slowly up the Cardinals chain before getting picked by the Mariners in the minor league phase of the 2019 Rule 5 Draft. I don't know much about his defensive prowess but his CS percentage has gone down as he's moved up the minor leagues.
3. Jorge Alfaro (29) - A former top prospect with the Phillies, Alfaro never really established his offensive credentials as a big league threat, only posting one season with an OPS+ over 100 (127 in 2017). It has fallen every year since, but did post a 94 in 2022 after a couple of years in the high 60s. The Padres did play him mostly at catcher in 2022 and he posted his first positive dWAR (0.2) in 3 years. His 2022 numbers are very similar to Wynns. Oh, I should mention he was also nontendered this offseason.
4. Gary Sanchez (30) - Look, a free agent who wasn't nontendered this offseason! Sanchez is another former top prospect. His hitting has been getting worse in the past few years, culminating with an 89 OPS+ in 2022 (tied for 2nd worst in his career). His 2022 dWAR was also 0.2 and saw some time at DH with the Twins.
5. Kevin Plawecki (32) - Man, another nontender! (edit: He was not nontendered). Plawecki is another former top prospect who could never hit very well in the big leagues. However, he was once a good defensive catcher (posting a 0.7 dWAR in 2018) but saw his dWAR dip into the negatives for the 1st time in 2021 (-0.2 and get worse in 2022 (-0.6).
6. Roberto Perez (34) - It seems that every few years, Perez' hitting is about league average (OPS+ of 101 in 2015, 99 in 2019 and 98 in 2022). However, those are tempered with most other seasons closer to an OPS+ of 54 or worse (2016, 2018, 2020 and 2021). However, his defense, at times, has been elite. He won Gold Gloves in 2019 (2.7 dWAR) and 2020 (0.6 in the shortened season). It has slipped closer to average since then (0.2 and 0.4 the past two seasons). It should be noted that both his OPS+ and dWAR in 2022 were slightly better than Wynn's.
7. Sandy Leon (34) - Never known as an offensive catcher, Leon came out of nowhere to post an OPS+ of 122 in 2016 with the Red Sox. That helped cement his status as at least a regular catcher for a couple of years. However, his OPS+ hasn't topped 68 in a season since (which was 2017) and was 51 in 2022. His dWAR was -0.2 last year, the first time in his career it has been negative. It was between 0.9 and 1.3 in the period between 2015 and 2018 and was 0.5 in 2021. The trade off, though, in hitting, may make him less valuable than Wynns but he could prove to be a capable backup to Bart (if Bart can hit).
8. Robinson Chirinos (38) - The venerable catcher of the group, it is unknown if Chirinos even wants to play in 2022. He's probably been the most consistent hitter of this entire group, posting an OPS+ of 100 or greater in 5 different seasons (2015-2017, 2019 and 2021) and barely missed in another 2 seasons (95 in 2014 and 99 in 2018). His defense has been pretty good by dWAR as well, posting over 1.0 twice (2014 and 2019) and over 0.5 2 other seasons (2015 and 2017). Even in 2022, he posted a 0.5 dWAR as a backup in Baltimore. He would make the most sense among this group but he may not really be available.

So, what do you all say? Keep Wynns or gamble with one of these guys? If so, who should it be?

 

[Robotech]

At some point, we should consider jumping back in. The article does not indicate that the Twins' initial 10/285 is still on the table. Likely not. Is a 6/150 warranted from us? Possibly an 8/190?

Maybe that guy who joked about the A's getting him will be proven right!

 

[Mays-Fan]

my WAG on the the catching situation is that Sabol will be the primary BU catcher. But having a R5 rookie who has never been primarily a catcher as your primary back up to start the season seems short sighted. Maybe they think Bailey’s defense is advanced enough to make the jump? Maybe there is a trade in the works?

I have no idea.

I have to trust that the FO had something in mind when they DFA'd Wynns. If backup catcher is the greatest of our worries, we are in pretty good shape.

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