2023 Rosterbation

[LHG]

Now this guy seems like a good one to stash on the 60 day IL. He looked really good in 2022 and pretty good in 2021 as well.

Rays Designate J.P. Feyereisen For Assignment, Expect To Trade Him

The Rays have designated reliever J.P. Feyereisen for assignment following his shoulder surgery. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Dodgers get him for, essentially, trading a Jake Wong type pitcher (older pitcher yet to advance past A ball).

Rays Trade J.P. Feyereisen To Dodgers

The Rays traded injured right-handed reliever J.P. Feyereisen to the Dodgers. Read more about the move at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[msgkings322]

I don't think it was an overpay. The fact that a player is worth whatever he can get aside, at $9M/WAR we need about 38-40 WAR over the length of the contract. He's a 5-7 WAR player when healthy and he's in his prime. Say we get 30 WAR over the next five years (not unreasonable). That leaves 8 years starting with his age 33 season to get 8-10 WAR.

Now factor in inflation (WAR likely to be $10M or $11M per year at that point) and its actually LIKELY to be a net positive contract. More so if he has an MVP type season or two (8-10 WAR).

Two big assumptions: he will continue to be an elite player for the next five years and he won't suffer a big injury.

Bottom line: it was a sneaky smart deal likely to produce more value than we paid for. Well done, FZ.

NOW, BRING ME CONFORTO

Correa has back issues so the staying healthy part is a risk. But everything is a risk and you have to take chances to compete. I'm pleased with this signing, and nothing is an "overpay" since the market is what it is. That said, we all know the last few years of the contract will be dead money.

 

[msgkings322]

Sure, that's a concern. Two things though:
1. How much value did he provide in years 1-9? 45 WAR? 50 WAR? If so, anything else is gravy.
2. Inflation will make this contract look less massive in 5 years. Even more so in 10 years.

I'm so glad I paid attention in Econ when we discussed Net Present Value.

I think 50 WAR over his age 28-36 seasons is possible but a bit optimistic, factoring in back issues and such. Like I said, this signing is a risk but I'm glad they did it. You have to take chances.

 

[jeep99tj]

Good signing in my opinion.

 

[calsnowskier]

Now this guy seems like a good one to stash on the 60 day IL. He looked really good in 2022 and pretty good in 2021 as well.

Rays Designate J.P. Feyereisen For Assignment, Expect To Trade Him

The Rays have designated reliever J.P. Feyereisen for assignment following his shoulder surgery. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Rays Trade J.P. Feyereisen To Dodgers

The Rays traded injured right-handed reliever J.P. Feyereisen to the Dodgers. Read more about the move at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[LHG]

Rays Trade J.P. Feyereisen To Dodgers

The Rays traded injured right-handed reliever J.P. Feyereisen to the Dodgers. Read more about the move at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Whoops, linked wrong article. Thanks for the correction.

 

[calsnowskier]

Whoops, linked wrong article. Thanks for the correction.

You still ninja’d me…

 

[Mays-Fan]

Just an ingredient for the stew here:

Flores/Villar (looking like our primary options for 3B), Estrada (our primary option for 2B), and Correa (presumably our primary SS) are all RHH's.

Crawford is a LHH, so that sets up plenty of platooning options and late game substitution opportunities for him. If he's open to playing utility guy, he would see significant playing time.

 

[LHG]

Just an ingredient for the stew here:

Flores/Villar (looking like our primary options for 3B), Estrada (our primary option for 2B), and Correa (presumably our primary SS) are all RHH's.

Crawford is a LHH, so that sets up plenty of platooning options and late game substitution opportunities for him. If he's open to playing utility guy, he would see significant playing time.

I really hope Flores isn't our primary 3rd baseman. I'd say platoon him at 1st base with Wade and platoon Crawford at 3rd base with Villar. (Although I guess could be made to flip flop Flores and Villar. I just don't know who is the worse defensive liability at 3rd base.)

 

[Mays-Fan]

I really hope Flores isn't our primary 3rd baseman. I'd say platoon him at 1st base with Wade and platoon Crawford at 3rd base with Villar. (Although I guess could be made to flip flop Flores and Villar. I just don't know who is the worse defensive liability at 3rd base.)

Agreed about Flores, but he did lead the team in RBIs last year.

However, he is not a good defensive player, with a -1.2 dWAR last year.

Villar showed good promise with the bat (1.1 oWAR) and in the field (0.2 dWAR) in 1/3 of a season last year.

Maybe Flores (RHH) shares the DH with Jocko (LHH).

 

[LHG]

Agreed about Flores, but he did lead the team in RBIs last year.

However, he is not a good defensive player, with a -1.2 dWAR last year.

Villar showed good promise with the bat (1.1 oWAR) and in the field (0.2 dWAR) in 1/3 of a season last year.

Maybe Flores (RHH) shares the DH with Jocko (LHH).

I'm okay with Flores at a platoon player but I think he is overrated. It was weird that he got extended when his offensive numbers weren't that good in 2022 (outside of RBIs). His on base was .316 and his slugging was .394. Couple that with poor defensive skills and its a bit puzzling why he would need to come back.
To make things worse, his platoon splits in 2022 weren't that different. His OPS against lefties was .707 while it was .711 against righties. At least he can handle both sides equally mediocre. Historically, he has posted a career OPS of .803 against left handed pitching (versus .722 against righties) so maybe he can do better if he faces lefties more exclusively.

 

[jeep99tj]

Just an ingredient for the stew here:

Flores/Villar (looking like our primary options for 3B), Estrada (our primary option for 2B), and Correa (presumably our primary SS) are all RHH's.

Crawford is a LHH, so that sets up plenty of platooning options and late game substitution opportunities for him. If he's open to playing utility guy, he would see significant playing time.

I was thinking Davis/Wade at first, Correa and Estrada up the middle and BC/Villar at third.

 

[calsnowskier]

Anyone’s guess about the Giants infield construction right now is just as valid (or BS) as the next guy’s. We don’t know what CC agreed to when he signed. We don’t know what BC is willing to do. We don’t know what either of these players have looked like in practices when playing 2B or 3B (and let’s be honest, both have played quite a bit at both positions during FP in their careers).

I doubt BC will be the Util guy. He is 36 and the de facto face of the franchise. If he isnt the primary SS, he will probably be 75% 2B/3B and 25% SS. Same goes for CC. He is the new face of the franchise. If he is not the SS, he will probably be 75% 2B/3B and 25% SS.

 

[Mays-Fan]

Proposed lineup as we stand now?:

LF Slater
2B Estrada/Crawford
SS Correa
DH Pederson/Flores
RF Haniger
1B Wade/Davis
3B Villar/Crawford
CF Yaz
C Bartelstein

 

[LHG]

I was thinking Davis/Wade at first, Correa and Estrada up the middle and BC/Villar at third.

I am embarrassed to say that I completely forgot about Davis. The Giants have a good problem with too many infielders. However, I do wonder if Wade is jettisoned if the Giants get another outfielder.

 

[Mays-Fan]

Anyone’s guess about the Giants infield construction right now is just as valid (or BS) as the next guy’s. We don’t know what CC agreed to when he signed. We don’t know what BC is willing to do. We don’t know what either of these players have looked like in practices when playing 2B or 3B (and let’s be honest, both have played quite a bit at both positions during FP in their careers).

I doubt BC will be the Util guy. He is 36 and the de facto face of the franchise. If he isnt the primary SS, he will probably be 75% 2B/3B and 25% SS. Same goes for CC. He is the new face of the franchise. If he is not the SS, he will probably be 75% 2B/3B and 25% SS.

Hey, we're all speculating here. Not much else to do.

Just looking at their respective BBRef stats, and the only field position that both Correa and Crawford have ever played in their entire careers is SS.

Something's gotta give, and it probably won't be the $350mm Man.

 

[LHG]

Anyone’s guess about the Giants infield construction right now is just as valid (or BS) as the next guy’s. We don’t know what CC agreed to when he signed. We don’t know what BC is willing to do. We don’t know what either of these players have looked like in practices when playing 2B or 3B (and let’s be honest, both have played quite a bit at both positions during FP in their careers).

I doubt BC will be the Util guy. He is 36 and the de facto face of the franchise. If he isnt the primary SS, he will probably be 75% 2B/3B and 25% SS. Same goes for CC. He is the new face of the franchise. If he is not the SS, he will probably be 75% 2B/3B and 25% SS.

Very true.

If Crawford is moved to 3rd base, he'd get the bulk of playing time due to the fact that he hits left handed. Villar, unfortunately, would get the short end of the playing time. I do hope that he gets more playing time at 1st but its possible he starts the year in Sacramento.

 

[LHG]

Hey, we're all speculating here. Not much else to do.

Just looking at their respective BBRef stats, and the only field position that both Correa and Crawford have ever played in their entire careers is SS.

Something's gotta give, and it probably won't be the $350mm Man.

Crawford played 2 games at 3rd with San Jose in 2010 (and another 13 games in the Arizona Fall League in 2009, along with 2 games at 2nd base). Correa played 1 game at 3rd base in 2015 at AA (and DH'd in 4 games this last season with Minnesota). That is the extent of their professional experiences at any position besides shortstop.

 

[Mays-Fan]

I can't help but wonder if, at mid-season, and we were in the thick of a pennant race, if Posey could be talked out of retirement .

He'll have just turned 36 come Opening Day. $10mm for half a season?

He'd be like Clint Eastwood in "Unforgiven".

The sequel might be "Unretired".

 

[LHG]

I can't help but wonder if, at mid-season, and we were in the thick of a pennant race, if Posey could be talked out of retirement .

He'll have just turned 36 come Opening Day. $10mm for half a season?

He'd be like Clint Eastwood in "Unforgiven".

The sequel might be "Unretired".

And he could solve the problem at 3rd base!







Sorry, couldn't help myself.