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Red Sox Exploring Trade Market For Center Field Help ? MLB Trade Rumors

Here we go deal Tabata and his 8.5 tied up for two years for Buchholz one year at 12 million. :L

Shame is right now Tabata has more value but maybe Buchholz needs a change to the NL?

Seriously the way Buchholz is pitching right now you might be able to claim him off waivers soon enough.
 

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Marte for Boegarts?

My personal thoughts on this would be that they are trying to move Jackie Bradley Jr. to get someone that is more established. That is just a guess on my part though.

Not sure if you are serious or not, but I think Boston would walk away from that deal. I haven't looked at the numbers, but i just think Boston has no interrest in moving Boegarts.
 

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My personal thoughts on this would be that they are trying to move Jackie Bradley Jr. to get someone that is more established. That is just a guess on my part though.

Not sure if you are serious or not, but I think Boston would walk away from that deal. I haven't looked at the numbers, but i just think Boston has no interrest in moving Boegarts.

I agree they probably have little interest moving him, although they just resigned Drew for whatever reason.

But I think it would be an interesting starting point, the Pirates would obviously have to add more. Marte would be at his full value in CF and the Pirates are fairly deep in OFers in the system. You could switch Polanco to LF, and keep Harrison in RF until Lambo gets healthy. Although one of Boston's problems is they have too many corner guys, ie Nava, Carp, Gomes, Victornio, Napoli, so I don't know what they expect to do with all those guys. And Boegarts is currently their best overall position player.
 

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Didn't want to start another thread, so I am hijacking this one for a second. Tyler Glasnow finally had one of the outings like we saw from him last year. 5.2 IP, 1 hit, 12k, 2 bb.
 

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It says center field help, not bench help. Tabata is not a center fielder.

I was looking at it from the point that Ethier was mentioned and he isn't much more of a CF, it wasn't until last season he played any time in CF. Then Bradley is a lefty, Tabata is a righty (Sizemore could then slot in CF).
 

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Didn't want to start another thread, so I am hijacking this one for a second. Tyler Glasnow finally had one of the outings like we saw from him last year. 5.2 IP, 1 hit, 12k, 2 bb.

Good to hear he has been roughed up plenty prior to that.
 

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Didn't want to start another thread, so I am hijacking this one for a second. Tyler Glasnow finally had one of the outings like we saw from him last year. 5.2 IP, 1 hit, 12k, 2 bb.

He probably just needed to get a little more healthy.
 
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So do we do something about shortstop, or do we hope Jordy figures it out and Barmes can do something positive every now and then with the bat while pretty much locking down the position defensively until then?

I don't think Mercer lacks talent, but he's been pretty terrible this year, and I'm not sure there's a high enough season for him to make sticking with him all that worth it. We don't really have a shortstop in the system, so what do we do?

Is there anyone out there we'd be willing to trade for? What would we be looking for, and how much would we give up? Or can we just eat the lack of production from shortstop since we have a pretty decent offensive catcher in Martin to make up for it and seem to have "fixed" the first base problem?

For me, I might just go with Barmes for a while. Our pitchers could really use the confidence that would come from the improved defense behind them, and there's not much of a difference between the bats right now (Barmes might actually be better than what Mercer's able to give us right now). I don't see much of a reason to give up assets right now given the unlikeliness of us making the postseason at this point anyway, and it could be something we seek to address in the upcoming offseason instead. And there's always a chance Mercer remembers how to hit and gives us some decent production this season.
 

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Jimmy Rollins seems like the only logical guaranteed upgrade who should be available, I'd look at him. But other than that, I don't think there is much out there.
 
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Rollins is an intriguing option. I wonder what it would take to get him. The contract is reasonable enough, and we're far enough under budget, that we could take on his whole salary to cut down what we send away. But since he's having a good start to the season, how much would it take, and what are we willing to part with?

We do have depth at both outfield and pitcher in our system. Perhaps send Mercer the other way to "fill" the hole which would be left, or Barmes, though I would guess Mercer's trade value is higher. Maybe send one of our second-tier pitchers or outfielders, as well, and perhaps one of our AAA relievers if they want a little extra value.
 

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Rollins is an intriguing option. I wonder what it would take to get him. The contract is reasonable enough, and we're far enough under budget, that we could take on his whole salary to cut down what we send away. But since he's having a good start to the season, how much would it take, and what are we willing to part with?

We do have depth at both outfield and pitcher in our system. Perhaps send Mercer the other way to "fill" the hole which would be left, or Barmes, though I would guess Mercer's trade value is higher. Maybe send one of our second-tier pitchers or outfielders, as well, and perhaps one of our AAA relievers if they want a little extra value.

Yeah, and that's assuming the Pirates are in hunt.

Of course I read some stuff that Rollins has no interest in being traded, and he has 10/5 rights.
 
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I was looking up some stats for our first basemen, and they are combined sitting about about 1.0 WAR, which is right where Napoli, Votto, and Adrian Gonzalez are.

Now, I know that those three will likely all start producing more, and they have the advantage of not being in a platoon, but it's nice to get solid production from the position. It has been, at least, above average to this point.

But can they keep it up? We know Gaby can mash lefties, and as long as he's more or less just facing lefties, he'll probably keep hitting. But what about Davis? It seems he's changed his approach to focus more on zone control and hitting for contact, but will he add power and drop the average a bit, add power with no cost to the average, or add no power and lose the average? Basically, can he keep being a valuable hitter?

Apparently, the Pirates told him they like his eye and contact skill, so maybe this low-power, high OBP approach is intentional, although I do imagine he'd like to at least shoot the gaps a little more often than he has been. In any case, it is nice to have a guy other than McCutchen and, to a lesser extent, Walker who can get on base with regularity, however it has to be done.

I predict Davis starts to add a little power, but not a ton, and the average comes down a bit. Gaby keeps doing his thing. And I think we end with about 3 WAR from first base, which I could live with.
 

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This is brilliant IMO. Not sure if any of you follow pre-draft coverage at all, but the way this draft is shaping up, a lot of teams sound like they will be passing on injured first round talent in the first round, drafting players they can sign for under slot deals then using that money in the comp and second rounds. That means the Pirates should get good value from this slot. Possibly one of the slew of pitchers that have recently been injured.
 

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This is brilliant IMO. Not sure if any of you follow pre-draft coverage at all, but the way this draft is shaping up, a lot of teams sound like they will be passing on injured first round talent in the first round, drafting players they can sign for under slot deals then using that money in the comp and second rounds. That means the Pirates should get good value from this slot. Possibly one of the slew of pitchers that have recently been injured.

agree

not sure why they made some of the recent roster moves losing mazzaro for no comp if they were looking to dump sandy and trade morris. i would imagine they were talking about trading for at least a week for it to happen. stormy must be coming back quicker than anticipated.
 

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Ike davis was a "minimum" acquisition for me. I was not happy with how the team handled 1b until after they traded to acquire Ike. I would still have preferred that they didn't have to solve the problem with a platoon but i suppose that if you need to platoon a position then 1B is probably the best choice.

Where we've run into trouble in the past is in thinking that we can platoon more than one position. We the fans i mean. Platoons have some disadvantages that aren't immediately obvious - like the fact that if one guy gets injured then the other guy ends up being a weak (exposed) full-time starter.

Regardless - the current arrangement is the sort of good match that you'd like to have. As long as the platoon is working properly there's not much to complain about. I would still prefer to have a full-time player at some point.
 
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