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Star played in 91.2 percent of Utes'
D snaps DT Star Lotulelei was on the field for 91.2 percent of Utah's defensive snaps in 2013.
This is a ridiculously large number and could contribute to the critique of taking plays off, which some of have mentioned. For comparison, Florida's Sharrif Floyd played in 66.4 percent of the school's defensive snaps, slightly below Sheldon Richardson's 72.3 percent. The latter did miss a game due to a coach enforced suspension.
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D snaps DT Star Lotulelei was on the field for 91.2 percent of Utah's defensive snaps in 2013.
This is a ridiculously large number and could contribute to the critique of taking plays off, which some of have mentioned. For comparison, Florida's Sharrif Floyd played in 66.4 percent of the school's defensive snaps, slightly below Sheldon Richardson's 72.3 percent. The latter did miss a game due to a coach enforced suspension.
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Ansah to Jacksonville?
March, 4, 2013 1:13PM ET
By Tim Kavanagh | ESPN.com
With the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs... have a number of different ways they can go: an LT like Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher (provided they don't re-sign Branden Albert), DL Star Lotulelei (who'd likely slot in as a DE in their system), a pass-rusher to complement Tamba Hali or even a CB to pair with Brandon Flowers. After the Chiefs have selected, it'll be the Jacksonville Jaguars' turn.
Like the Chiefs, the Jaguars have a lot of different areas where they could use an upgrade, and at No. 2, they'll likely be able to secure a player that can step in and start for them from Day One. The popular theory is that they'll go with a DE, and John Oehser of Jaguars.com addressed two such prospects in his weekend mailbag: FSU's Bjoern Werner and BYU's Ezekiel Ansah. In the scribe's view, one of the two is the more likely selection (if it comes down to a binary situation): "Ansah seems to fit what the Jaguars want to do more than Werner."
From a purely athletic standpoint, Ansah is quite an exciting prospect, but some are concerned with whether he'll be able to adjust quickly enough to the NFL game in order to be impactful as a rookie. It's a risk we may just see the Jaguars -- and their new defensive-minded HC -- take.
March, 4, 2013 1:13PM ET
By Tim Kavanagh | ESPN.com
With the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs... have a number of different ways they can go: an LT like Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher (provided they don't re-sign Branden Albert), DL Star Lotulelei (who'd likely slot in as a DE in their system), a pass-rusher to complement Tamba Hali or even a CB to pair with Brandon Flowers. After the Chiefs have selected, it'll be the Jacksonville Jaguars' turn.
Like the Chiefs, the Jaguars have a lot of different areas where they could use an upgrade, and at No. 2, they'll likely be able to secure a player that can step in and start for them from Day One. The popular theory is that they'll go with a DE, and John Oehser of Jaguars.com addressed two such prospects in his weekend mailbag: FSU's Bjoern Werner and BYU's Ezekiel Ansah. In the scribe's view, one of the two is the more likely selection (if it comes down to a binary situation): "Ansah seems to fit what the Jaguars want to do more than Werner."
From a purely athletic standpoint, Ansah is quite an exciting prospect, but some are concerned with whether he'll be able to adjust quickly enough to the NFL game in order to be impactful as a rookie. It's a risk we may just see the Jaguars -- and their new defensive-minded HC -- take.
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Well, they obviusly disagree with my assesment.
Anyone else agree with me that Trevardo Williams is a better prospect than Jamie Collins?
It's pretty close for me, but I like Trevardo more. I hope the Niners can get him in the later rounds.
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Are you sure Moore would work out as an OLB? He looks like a 4-3 RDE if I ever saw one.
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Yes, I know that. So are you looking at him as purely a sutuational pass-rusher?
I'd rather have a situational pass rusher the offense didn't absolutely know he was coming after the QB if the Niners are gonna spend a first round pick on one. A guy like Jarvis Jones, for example, wouldn't be a liability dropping back into coverage.
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Test reveal that Texas A&M WR Ryan Swope has a history of medical issues, specifically multiple concussions.
Baylor WR Terrance Williams, is receiving third round grades from multiply teams according to #NFL Network's Mike Mayock.
South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney ran a 4.5 forty at 270 pounds during the Gamecocks' winter workouts.
Test reveal that Texas A&M WR Ryan Swope has a history of medical issues, specifically multiple concussions.
Baylor WR Terrance Williams, is receiving third round grades from multiply teams according to #NFL Network's Mike Mayock.
South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney ran a 4.5 forty at 270 pounds during the Gamecocks' winter workouts.
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That wasn't necessarily an endorsement of Jones (although he's one possibility I like). My point was a guy who will be drafted that high (like Jones) should at least be able to drop into coverage and not be a total liability.
I don't think I like Moore in the Niners' defense if they're gonna spend a 1st round pick on him. If you want a guy who's a 1-trick situational pass-rusher, sign John Abraham or Osi.
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Moore played the Joker position vacated by Von Miller until this last season when they switched to a 43. Aldon wasn't great at dropping back in coverage when he was drafted. Brooks isn't the greatest at it either. Moore at least has experience doing it.
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And people on this board have said he doesn't fit our scheme. Smh.
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Combine backs up film for WR Hunter
March, 4, 2013 2:49PM ET
By Kevin Weidl
The workout numbers that come out of the NFL combine get plenty of attention, and they are a useful tool for scouts when formulating final evaluation on prospects.
Strong numbers can put a final stamp on a high grade for some players, but for others they simply don't match up to what we see during film study. Some prospects confirm what we've seen on many hours of game tape, while others force us to take a deeper look to see if we missed anything in our initial scouting report.
As far as the 2013 combine goes, three prospects have stood out to me in the days since the combine because of workouts that back up their solid game tapes. On the flip side, a trio of workout warriors got a second look after posting big numbers, but still don't warrant higher grades.
Here's how the film and the workouts for all six -- including a first-round receiver and a big-name cornerback -- stack up.
Walking the walk
Tennessee WR Justin Hunter: I got four live looks at Hunter in 2012, and watched plenty of tape in addition. He has a long (6-foot-4, 196 pounds), flexible frame, and a loose gait when he opens up and runs. Hunter is also a savvy route-runner who knows how to avoid contact, set up defensive backs and separate from zone coverage, and he consistently shows the ability to go up and play the ball downfield.
All of that showed up in Indianapolis, where Hunter posted a 39.5-inch vertical jump, an 11-foot, 4-inch broad jump and a 4.44-second 40-yard dash. His film matches up, showing his ability to eat up a defender's cushion with his long strides, then use his long arms (32¾ inches) and that explosive leaping ability to make plays when working outside the hashes against defensive backs.
There are some concerns about Hunter's focus in traffic when going over the middle, and he had more than his share of drops this past fall, but his overall skill means he probably has a higher ceiling than speedy-but-raw teammate Cordarrelle Patterson. In the end, Hunter's stellar workout backed up what I saw on his tape and helped solidify his place in the first-round mix.
Combine Comparison
A comparison of the combine numbers for Shamarko Thomas this year and Bob Sanders in 2004.
Test.....Thomas.....Sanders
HT........5-8⅞........5-8⅜
WT........213 .........204
Bench.....28...........14
40.........4.42..........4.37
VJ.........40½..........41½
BJ.........11-1..........10-8
Syracuse S Shamarko Thomas: He appears on tape to be an explosive, quick-twitch athlete, and his low build and ability to come downhill to deliver big hits has earned comparisons to former Indianapolis Colts S Bob Sanders. A closer look at the combine numbers for each shows some eerie similarities.
But it's more than just that comparison that has Thomas making noise in scouting circles. He has the movement skills to cover slot receivers and even play some cornerback. He can learn to throttle down more in space, but Thomas shows an explosive closing burst to cover ground quickly and deliver violent shots at the point of attack. In addition, he is an instinctive and impact blitzer off the edge. Thomas diagnoses plays quickly and plays the game angry, and his combine showing certainly lived up to his film.
Finally, Thomas has overcome the adversity of losing both his parents during his college career, and he has taken a role in the care of his five younger siblings. He clearly has something to play for, and it's hard to bet against a prospect with that kind of motivation. Thomas is squarely in the Day 2 conversation and could be a good find there.
Harding OLB Ty Powell: Questions about the level of competition he faced and some off-field baggage will likely hurt his final grade, but I went back to the film after Powell (6-2, 249) had an eye-popping combine workout and was thoroughly impressed with what I saw.
Powell put on 15 pounds and moved from safety to linebacker in 2012, so his movement skills, range and closing burst are not surprising. The instincts and hand use he showed in his first year playing on the line of scrimmage were a surprise, though. Powell (6-2, 249) has good take-on skills when setting the edge against the run, and his quick, heavy hands are an asset as both a run-defender and a pass-rusher.
All of that showed up at the combine, where he posted a 4.64 in the 40; a 37-inch vertical; 10-2 in the broad jump; 28 reps on the bench press; and a 6.98-second three-cone drill. His athleticism and talent look to be that of a third-rounder, and with his ability to cover Powell could become an above-average starter as a 3-4 outside linebacker or on the strong side in a 4-3.
Some character issues will be investigated -- Powell was kicked off his juco team at one point, and was once charged with a misdemeanor after an altercation with his girlfriend -- but reports are that he is well-liked by coaches and teammates, and is a hard worker. The feeling is that he's a good person who's made some bad decisions while overcoming a tough upbringing. Powell has a lot of traits on tape that transfer well to the NFL level and he could eventually bring good return on a fourth- or fifth-round pick and develop into a more than adequate starter within a year or two.
Not measuring up
Southern Miss OLB Jamie Collins: He absolutely nailed the combine. At 6-2½ and 250 pounds, Collins ran a 4.64 in the 40, posted a 41.5-inch vertical and his 11-7 broad jump is the best of any combine participant since 2006. Add that to the 92 total tackles, 20 TFL and 10 sacks he piled up last season, and Collins has the numbers to match up with his workout.
However, after taking a hard look and digging into four coach-copy tapes, there are concerns about his game. Collins does not have natural instincts and football intelligence. He takes too long to locate the ball at times and is often hesitant as a result. He has the speed to recover, but he's inconsistent when chasing plays in pursuit and doesn't appear to have a physical, aggressive nature, particularly when forced to play in a phone booth.
Finally, Collins' motor runs hot and cold, he lacks polish as a pass-rusher and his pad level and hand use are also inconsistent. He flashes on tape and makes just enough big plays to keep you interested, but in the end Collins appears to be a better athlete than football player and remains on the fringe of Day 2 despite his impressive workout.
NC State CB David Amerson: He entered the season with a high first-round grade after a junior season in which he intercepted 13 passes and 59 total tackles, but things went downhill quickly from there.
I was on hand to see him being beaten deep several times in the season opener against Tennessee, and it was more of the same in a disastrous game against Miami. Amerson is often late playing the ball on film, doesn't transition well in coverage and lacks recovery/closing speed on tape, and is often late when turning to locate and play the ball.
His combine performance would seem to suggest otherwise. Amerson (6-1, 205) went 4.44 in the 40, had a 35.5-inch vertical and posted a 10-5 broad jump. However, he doesn't translate those numbers to the field, and there are also questions about his mental toughness and ability to bounce back from mistakes.
The measurements and workout suggest a prototypical corner, but Amerson's overall evaluation shows a Day 3 prospect in my eyes.
Arkansas RB Knile Davis: He checked in at 5-11\ and 227 pounds at the combine, and ran a ridiculous 4.37 in the 40. His jumps (33.5 vertical, 10-1 broad) and three-cone (6.96) were also impressive, but we did not see that kind of speed, burst, lateral quickness and explosiveness on film in 2012.
To be fair, Davis missed all of 2011 with a dislocated left ankle and could just now be getting fully healthy. Still, he appeared hesitant during the season and appeared to be trying to protect the ankle. The most glaring issue, though, is ball security. Davis fumbled eight times in only 123 touches in 2012, and continually putting the ball on the ground is the surest way for a running back to find himself on the bench and eventually on the street.
Davis might focus more on taking care of the ball as he begins to trust his ankle more, and a team could be enticed to take a flier on him earlier than expected because of his top-end speed, but at this point he is likely to come off the board on Day 3.
Combine backs up film for WR Hunter
March, 4, 2013 2:49PM ET
By Kevin Weidl
The workout numbers that come out of the NFL combine get plenty of attention, and they are a useful tool for scouts when formulating final evaluation on prospects.
Strong numbers can put a final stamp on a high grade for some players, but for others they simply don't match up to what we see during film study. Some prospects confirm what we've seen on many hours of game tape, while others force us to take a deeper look to see if we missed anything in our initial scouting report.
As far as the 2013 combine goes, three prospects have stood out to me in the days since the combine because of workouts that back up their solid game tapes. On the flip side, a trio of workout warriors got a second look after posting big numbers, but still don't warrant higher grades.
Here's how the film and the workouts for all six -- including a first-round receiver and a big-name cornerback -- stack up.
Walking the walk
Tennessee WR Justin Hunter: I got four live looks at Hunter in 2012, and watched plenty of tape in addition. He has a long (6-foot-4, 196 pounds), flexible frame, and a loose gait when he opens up and runs. Hunter is also a savvy route-runner who knows how to avoid contact, set up defensive backs and separate from zone coverage, and he consistently shows the ability to go up and play the ball downfield.
All of that showed up in Indianapolis, where Hunter posted a 39.5-inch vertical jump, an 11-foot, 4-inch broad jump and a 4.44-second 40-yard dash. His film matches up, showing his ability to eat up a defender's cushion with his long strides, then use his long arms (32¾ inches) and that explosive leaping ability to make plays when working outside the hashes against defensive backs.
There are some concerns about Hunter's focus in traffic when going over the middle, and he had more than his share of drops this past fall, but his overall skill means he probably has a higher ceiling than speedy-but-raw teammate Cordarrelle Patterson. In the end, Hunter's stellar workout backed up what I saw on his tape and helped solidify his place in the first-round mix.
Combine Comparison
A comparison of the combine numbers for Shamarko Thomas this year and Bob Sanders in 2004.
Test.....Thomas.....Sanders
HT........5-8⅞........5-8⅜
WT........213 .........204
Bench.....28...........14
40.........4.42..........4.37
VJ.........40½..........41½
BJ.........11-1..........10-8
Syracuse S Shamarko Thomas: He appears on tape to be an explosive, quick-twitch athlete, and his low build and ability to come downhill to deliver big hits has earned comparisons to former Indianapolis Colts S Bob Sanders. A closer look at the combine numbers for each shows some eerie similarities.
But it's more than just that comparison that has Thomas making noise in scouting circles. He has the movement skills to cover slot receivers and even play some cornerback. He can learn to throttle down more in space, but Thomas shows an explosive closing burst to cover ground quickly and deliver violent shots at the point of attack. In addition, he is an instinctive and impact blitzer off the edge. Thomas diagnoses plays quickly and plays the game angry, and his combine showing certainly lived up to his film.
Finally, Thomas has overcome the adversity of losing both his parents during his college career, and he has taken a role in the care of his five younger siblings. He clearly has something to play for, and it's hard to bet against a prospect with that kind of motivation. Thomas is squarely in the Day 2 conversation and could be a good find there.
Harding OLB Ty Powell: Questions about the level of competition he faced and some off-field baggage will likely hurt his final grade, but I went back to the film after Powell (6-2, 249) had an eye-popping combine workout and was thoroughly impressed with what I saw.
Powell put on 15 pounds and moved from safety to linebacker in 2012, so his movement skills, range and closing burst are not surprising. The instincts and hand use he showed in his first year playing on the line of scrimmage were a surprise, though. Powell (6-2, 249) has good take-on skills when setting the edge against the run, and his quick, heavy hands are an asset as both a run-defender and a pass-rusher.
All of that showed up at the combine, where he posted a 4.64 in the 40; a 37-inch vertical; 10-2 in the broad jump; 28 reps on the bench press; and a 6.98-second three-cone drill. His athleticism and talent look to be that of a third-rounder, and with his ability to cover Powell could become an above-average starter as a 3-4 outside linebacker or on the strong side in a 4-3.
Some character issues will be investigated -- Powell was kicked off his juco team at one point, and was once charged with a misdemeanor after an altercation with his girlfriend -- but reports are that he is well-liked by coaches and teammates, and is a hard worker. The feeling is that he's a good person who's made some bad decisions while overcoming a tough upbringing. Powell has a lot of traits on tape that transfer well to the NFL level and he could eventually bring good return on a fourth- or fifth-round pick and develop into a more than adequate starter within a year or two.
Not measuring up
Southern Miss OLB Jamie Collins: He absolutely nailed the combine. At 6-2½ and 250 pounds, Collins ran a 4.64 in the 40, posted a 41.5-inch vertical and his 11-7 broad jump is the best of any combine participant since 2006. Add that to the 92 total tackles, 20 TFL and 10 sacks he piled up last season, and Collins has the numbers to match up with his workout.
However, after taking a hard look and digging into four coach-copy tapes, there are concerns about his game. Collins does not have natural instincts and football intelligence. He takes too long to locate the ball at times and is often hesitant as a result. He has the speed to recover, but he's inconsistent when chasing plays in pursuit and doesn't appear to have a physical, aggressive nature, particularly when forced to play in a phone booth.
Finally, Collins' motor runs hot and cold, he lacks polish as a pass-rusher and his pad level and hand use are also inconsistent. He flashes on tape and makes just enough big plays to keep you interested, but in the end Collins appears to be a better athlete than football player and remains on the fringe of Day 2 despite his impressive workout.
NC State CB David Amerson: He entered the season with a high first-round grade after a junior season in which he intercepted 13 passes and 59 total tackles, but things went downhill quickly from there.
I was on hand to see him being beaten deep several times in the season opener against Tennessee, and it was more of the same in a disastrous game against Miami. Amerson is often late playing the ball on film, doesn't transition well in coverage and lacks recovery/closing speed on tape, and is often late when turning to locate and play the ball.
His combine performance would seem to suggest otherwise. Amerson (6-1, 205) went 4.44 in the 40, had a 35.5-inch vertical and posted a 10-5 broad jump. However, he doesn't translate those numbers to the field, and there are also questions about his mental toughness and ability to bounce back from mistakes.
The measurements and workout suggest a prototypical corner, but Amerson's overall evaluation shows a Day 3 prospect in my eyes.
Arkansas RB Knile Davis: He checked in at 5-11\ and 227 pounds at the combine, and ran a ridiculous 4.37 in the 40. His jumps (33.5 vertical, 10-1 broad) and three-cone (6.96) were also impressive, but we did not see that kind of speed, burst, lateral quickness and explosiveness on film in 2012.
To be fair, Davis missed all of 2011 with a dislocated left ankle and could just now be getting fully healthy. Still, he appeared hesitant during the season and appeared to be trying to protect the ankle. The most glaring issue, though, is ball security. Davis fumbled eight times in only 123 touches in 2012, and continually putting the ball on the ground is the surest way for a running back to find himself on the bench and eventually on the street.
Davis might focus more on taking care of the ball as he begins to trust his ankle more, and a team could be enticed to take a flier on him earlier than expected because of his top-end speed, but at this point he is likely to come off the board on Day 3.
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Ezekiel Ansah - DL - Cougars
BYU LB coach Kelly Poppinga says DL Ezekiel Ansah wants to run in the 4.5s during the school's Pro Day.
"He's mad that he ran a 4.63 in the 40-yard dash (at the Combine)," Poppinga said. "He says he'll get a 4.5 on Pro Day. That's what he wants to do. But we'll see what his agent tells him." "My biggest concern is hopefully he can handle what he doesn't have an idea is what's getting ready to hit him," said head coach Bronco Mendenhall. Source: Desert News
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BYU LB coach Kelly Poppinga says DL Ezekiel Ansah wants to run in the 4.5s during the school's Pro Day.
"He's mad that he ran a 4.63 in the 40-yard dash (at the Combine)," Poppinga said. "He says he'll get a 4.5 on Pro Day. That's what he wants to do. But we'll see what his agent tells him." "My biggest concern is hopefully he can handle what he doesn't have an idea is what's getting ready to hit him," said head coach Bronco Mendenhall. Source: Desert News
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David Amerson - DB - Wolfpack
NFL Network's Mike Mayock believes NC State CB David Amerson is a "boom or bust" kind of prospect.
"Junior year, 13 interceptions," Mayock said. "Senior year, probably gave up more vertical touchdowns passes than any corner I have ever seen in my life." Mayock said the puzzle is to figure out which corner you are getting, and that Amerson has some of the worst eye discipline he has seen, meaning he didn't trust what he saw in front of him. Amerson actually declared early for April's draft, but we agree with the rest of Mayock's points.
Source: NFL.com
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock believes NC State CB David Amerson is a "boom or bust" kind of prospect.
"Junior year, 13 interceptions," Mayock said. "Senior year, probably gave up more vertical touchdowns passes than any corner I have ever seen in my life." Mayock said the puzzle is to figure out which corner you are getting, and that Amerson has some of the worst eye discipline he has seen, meaning he didn't trust what he saw in front of him. Amerson actually declared early for April's draft, but we agree with the rest of Mayock's points.
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Desmond Trufant - DB - Huskies
NFL Network's Mike Mayock believes Washington CB Desmond Trufant's draft evaluation is dependent on how teams perceive his physicality.
"If you get past his lack of physicality throughout the season, he's a first-round pick," Mayock said. "If you can't get by that, he's going to slide significantly." Trufant put on a great Senior Bowl performance and showed his long speed at the Combine, but teams might question his competitiveness when forced to make contact.
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock believes Washington CB Desmond Trufant's draft evaluation is dependent on how teams perceive his physicality.
"If you get past his lack of physicality throughout the season, he's a first-round pick," Mayock said. "If you can't get by that, he's going to slide significantly." Trufant put on a great Senior Bowl performance and showed his long speed at the Combine, but teams might question his competitiveness when forced to make contact.
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Corey Lemonier - DL - Tigers
Steelers LB Coach Keith Butler put Auburn DE/OLB Corey Lemonier through his Pro Day workout.
Don't read into this too much, but Lemonier would fit a need for the Steelers in the first-round. Lemonier has an explosive get off and strong hands on contact, but he tends to lose backfield vision, taking himself out of plays too often.
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Steelers LB Coach Keith Butler put Auburn DE/OLB Corey Lemonier through his Pro Day workout.
Don't read into this too much, but Lemonier would fit a need for the Steelers in the first-round. Lemonier has an explosive get off and strong hands on contact, but he tends to lose backfield vision, taking himself out of plays too often.
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