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His play aside...

The other thing I love about Surtain. You know you are getting someone who loves the game... Someone whose father was a great player and person. A kid who was raised well... A guy who knows what it takes to be a professional because he had a great role model to show him the way. A guy you can depend on.... A guy who will give you 100% on and off the field...
 

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Had me at "holds a master’s degree in subtle physicality."
 

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PATRICK SURTAIN II | Alabama 6020 | 208 lbs. | JR. Plantation, Fla. (American Heritage) 4/14/2000 (age 21.04) BACKGROUND: Patrick Surtain II (sir-TAN), who is the oldest of three children, grew up in Plantation (suburb west of Fort Lauderdale) and was introduced to football
at a young age as the son of an NFL Pro Bowler. He starred in multiple sports at the youth level like basketball and track, but he excelled in football. He enrolled at [209]
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American Heritage School, a private K-through-12 school where his father was the defensive coordinator (2013-15) and head football coach (2016-present). Surtain was teammates with several future FBS-level players at Heritage like CB Tyson Campbell (Georgia), CB Marco Wilson (Florida), WR Anthony Schwartz (Auburn) and DL Tedarrell Slaton (Florida). He helped lead Heritage to back-to-back 5A state championships and a 27-game winning streak his junior and senior years. Despite not seeing many targets, Surtain combined for three interceptions over his final two seasons at the prep level, earning all-county honors both years and All-American status as a senior. He also ran track and was part of the nation’s top 4x100 relay team (with Campbell, Schwartz and Miles Jones), running a 40.81. Surtain also set personal-bests in the 100 meters (10.77) and 200 meters (22.14).
A five-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Surtain was the No. 1 ranked cornerback in the 2018 class, the No. 2 recruit in the state of Florida (behind Clemson DL Xavier Thomas) and the No. 6 recruit overall. He received scholarship offers from every major program in the country and narrowed his college choice to Alabama, Clemson, LSU and Miami. Growing up an LSU fan, many expected Surtain to choose the Tigers, but he opted for Nick Saban and Alabama. His father (Patrick) was a second-round pick (No. 44 overall) in the 1998 NFL Draft and played 11 seasons, making three Pro Bowls. He played for the Miami Dolphins (1998-2004) and Kansas City Chiefs (2005-08) and, ironically, Saban was the Dolphins’ head coach when Surtain Sr. was traded to the Chiefs in 2005. Surtain Sr. started coaching at American Heritage under Chris Rumph (currently the defensive line coach for the Chicago Bears) in 2011 before being promoted to defensive coordinator in 2013 and head coach in 2016. Surtain elected to skip his final season of eligibility and enter the 2021 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Tall, long frame with athletic feet and body range...technically-focused approach and never panics...outstanding pattern match from press due to calm footwork in his stance and transition...uses a patient, coordinated stab to jam at the line of scrimmage...naturally instinctive and makes adjustments...returns his eyes to the backfield to find the football...uses angles and body position to cut off routes...holds a master’s degree in subtle physicality, keeping receivers off-balance without collecting penalties...alert vs. the run, using his length to work off cornerback blocks and make plays in the flat...hasty drive quickness and steady open-field tackling skills...averaged 17.3 yards per interception return (4/69/1) with one pick-six...played both outside and inside in nickel at Alabama...experienced on special teams coverages...humble personality with mature football character...NFL bloodlines...durable and played in every game the last three seasons, including 38 straight starts...knack for poking the ball out (four forced fumbles)...consistent ball production with 31 career passes defended.
WEAKNESSES: Long strider with quick feet, but not a sudden, twitchy mover (elected not to run the shuttles at his pro day for a reason)...lack of explosive speed lowers his margin for error in coverage...doesn’t have the juice to easily recover if he loses early...very competitive, but only average play strength (late getting off wide receiver blocks) and finishing strength (ball carriers will carry him a few extra yards)...loves to backfield peek, leaving him susceptible to pumps and play fakes...doesn’t have the burst to be a dynamic blitzer from the boundary.
SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Alabama, Surtain lined up at right cornerback in head coach Nick Saban’s man-heavy scheme, playing mostly press-man and off- man while also seeing reps at the “Star” nickel position. As the son of a Pro Bowl cornerback and coach, he was groomed to play defensive back at a high level and didn’t shrink in the SEC, allowing only four touchdowns and 46.1% completions in 41 career games. With his movements, body range and ball skills, Surtain plays sticky coverage and doesn’t panic downfield, consistently staying balanced and in phase. While he is athletic and false steps are infrequent, he lacks suddenness in his movements, giving explosive receivers a chance to separate early. Overall, Surtain lacks elite play strength and twitch for the position, but he is smooth, instinctive and the game happens slower for him than most cornerbacks. He projects as an NFL starting-level press-man corner with Pro Bowl potential.
PATRICK SURTAIN II | Alabama 6020 | 208 lbs. | JR. Plantation, Fla. (American Heritage) 4/14/2000 (age 21.04) BACKGROUND: Patrick Surtain II (sir-TAN), who is the oldest of three children, grew up in Plantation (suburb west of Fort Lauderdale) and was introduced to football
at a young age as the son of an NFL Pro Bowler. He starred in multiple sports at the youth level like basketball and track, but he excelled in football. He enrolled at [209]
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American Heritage School, a private K-through-12 school where his father was the defensive coordinator (2013-15) and head football coach (2016-present). Surtain was teammates with several future FBS-level players at Heritage like CB Tyson Campbell (Georgia), CB Marco Wilson (Florida), WR Anthony Schwartz (Auburn) and DL Tedarrell Slaton (Florida). He helped lead Heritage to back-to-back 5A state championships and a 27-game winning streak his junior and senior years. Despite not seeing many targets, Surtain combined for three interceptions over his final two seasons at the prep level, earning all-county honors both years and All-American status as a senior. He also ran track and was part of the nation’s top 4x100 relay team (with Campbell, Schwartz and Miles Jones), running a 40.81. Surtain also set personal-bests in the 100 meters (10.77) and 200 meters (22.14).
A five-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Surtain was the No. 1 ranked cornerback in the 2018 class, the No. 2 recruit in the state of Florida (behind Clemson DL Xavier Thomas) and the No. 6 recruit overall. He received scholarship offers from every major program in the country and narrowed his college choice to Alabama, Clemson, LSU and Miami. Growing up an LSU fan, many expected Surtain to choose the Tigers, but he opted for Nick Saban and Alabama. His father (Patrick) was a second-round pick (No. 44 overall) in the 1998 NFL Draft and played 11 seasons, making three Pro Bowls. He played for the Miami Dolphins (1998-2004) and Kansas City Chiefs (2005-08) and, ironically, Saban was the Dolphins’ head coach when Surtain Sr. was traded to the Chiefs in 2005. Surtain Sr. started coaching at American Heritage under Chris Rumph (currently the defensive line coach for the Chicago Bears) in 2011 before being promoted to defensive coordinator in 2013 and head coach in 2016. Surtain elected to skip his final season of eligibility and enter the 2021 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Tall, long frame with athletic feet and body range...technically-focused approach and never panics...outstanding pattern match from press due to calm footwork in his stance and transition...uses a patient, coordinated stab to jam at the line of scrimmage...naturally instinctive and makes adjustments...returns his eyes to the backfield to find the football...uses angles and body position to cut off routes...holds a master’s degree in subtle physicality, keeping receivers off-balance without collecting penalties...alert vs. the run, using his length to work off cornerback blocks and make plays in the flat...hasty drive quickness and steady open-field tackling skills...averaged 17.3 yards per interception return (4/69/1) with one pick-six...played both outside and inside in nickel at Alabama...experienced on special teams coverages...humble personality with mature football character...NFL bloodlines...durable and played in every game the last three seasons, including 38 straight starts...knack for poking the ball out (four forced fumbles)...consistent ball production with 31 career passes defended.
WEAKNESSES: Long strider with quick feet, but not a sudden, twitchy mover (elected not to run the shuttles at his pro day for a reason)...lack of explosive speed lowers his margin for error in coverage...doesn’t have the juice to easily recover if he loses early...very competitive, but only average play strength (late getting off wide receiver blocks) and finishing strength (ball carriers will carry him a few extra yards)...loves to backfield peek, leaving him susceptible to pumps and play fakes...doesn’t have the burst to be a dynamic blitzer from the boundary.
SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Alabama, Surtain lined up at right cornerback in head coach Nick Saban’s man-heavy scheme, playing mostly press-man and off- man while also seeing reps at the “Star” nickel position. As the son of a Pro Bowl cornerback and coach, he was groomed to play defensive back at a high level and didn’t shrink in the SEC, allowing only four touchdowns and 46.1% completions in 41 career games. With his movements, body range and ball skills, Surtain plays sticky coverage and doesn’t panic downfield, consistently staying balanced and in phase. While he is athletic and false steps are infrequent, he lacks suddenness in his movements, giving explosive receivers a chance to separate early. Overall, Surtain lacks elite play strength and twitch for the position, but he is smooth, instinctive and the game happens slower for him than most cornerbacks. He projects as an NFL starting-level press-man corner with Pro Bowl potential.
He went to my alma mater in HS. Saw him play half a dozen times or so. A good friend of mine is a retired AD from Don Bosco Prep in New Jersey. Look up that school and their reputation.

Well, I had given him information on who to get in touch with and arrangements were made and in 2016 they played. Almost on ESPN. American Heritage had just come off their second straight state championship.

Heritage won 21-0 and handed Don Bosco their first shut out in close to 40 years.

This was the game,


Then again, Isaiah Mckenzie went to the HS too. :(
 

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He went to my alma mater in HS. Saw him play half a dozen times or so. A good friend of mine is a retired AD from Don Bosco Prep in New Jersey. Look up that school and their reputation.

Well, I had given him information on who to get in touch with and arrangements were made and in 2016 they played. Almost on ESPN. American Heritage had just come off their second straight state championship.

Heritage won 21-0 and handed Don Bosco their first shut out in close to 40 years.

This was the game,


Then again, Isaiah Mckenzie went to the HS too. :(
Good to see you back posting Balls!
 

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Any chance Patrick Surtain is with GB in a week?
 

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Any chance Patrick Surtain is with GB in a week?
Not a chance - IMO. What Rogers is doing is pretty stupid - as the QB market is saturated - someone has to change plans entirely to acquire him - that limits his market value. It's not that he isn't a top 3 QB - he certainly is one. But, most teams will see this as a situation that will be there next year. Big narc move on Roger's part to take this stance now.
 

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I think the Rodger's move was to try to influence the front office to help the team win now, and not build for the future. It will be interesting how he feels about draft drafting a CB in the first round.
 

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I think the Rodger's move was to try to influence the front office to help the team win now, and not build for the future. It will be interesting how he feels about draft drafting a CB in the first round.
QBs like Rogers are ridiculous imo. I do not think drafting a WR in the first round makes much sense. In a hard cap league, paying WRs huge money makes little sense. Yes, there is a rookie cap and all of that, but IF they pan out the way you want, the money they command paralyzes teams.

Here is a list of the best, most productive WRs over the last 25 years. Put up great numbers and all of that, but what did it accomplish?

Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Calvin Johnson
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Deandre Hopkins
Odell Beckham

No rings, and Antonio Brown really belongs to that list too. Yes, he won it last year. He took a less money and didn't hamper them really.

The two best friends to every QB are a solid OL and solid DEFENSE. The ONE year Rogers won it, their defense gave up 15 PPG. Which was (I think) the best in the NFL 2010. Perspective, Broncos in 2015 gave up 18.5 PPG. Anyway, Rogers commanded huge money on par with what Brees got. They let go 7 defensive players. Their defense since has not been that productive. Have not been back to the SB. Rogers has been VERY PRODUCTIVE too. It isn't like he was hampered statistically.

Rogers has a bit of a dubious reputation. Ex teammates have had interesting things to say about him, like Greg Jennings etc.
 

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Those negatives are pretty nit picky about Surtain. He very rarely got beat, and never needed this "fast twitch quick feet" bs because he plays smart. He knows whats coming, cuts off routes, and plays a lot like Champ used to play; with his eyes in the backfield.

Be interesting given our zone coverage scheme how well he adapts, but I have no doubt he walks in and starts year one.
 

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Those negatives are pretty nit picky about Surtain. He very rarely got beat, and never needed this "fast twitch quick feet" bs because he plays smart. He knows whats coming, cuts off routes, and plays a lot like Champ used to play; with his eyes in the backfield.

Be interesting given our zone coverage scheme how well he adapts, but I have no doubt he walks in and starts year one.
Who do you think he beats out??? Fuller??? Darby??? Callahan???

I think he sees the field if/when injuries hit.
 

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Who do you think he beats out??? Fuller??? Darby??? Callahan???

I think he sees the field if/when injuries hit.
I think he beats Darby. He's a top 10 pick, a 3 year starter at the best school in the country, practiced against the top 3 or 4 WR's in college daily. You think he's not ready to step in immediately?
 

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Wonder if they would consider hiring his father as DB coach. Anyone notice the first pick of the 2nd round? Tyson Campbell out of GA. He also played at the same HS with SurtainII.

Surtain sr. has won 3 state championships, and has at least 6 or so players he has coached into the NFL.
 

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I think he beats Darby. He's a top 10 pick, a 3 year starter at the best school in the country, practiced against the top 3 or 4 WR's in college daily. You think he's not ready to step in immediately?
He might beat out Darby, but they did pay him pretty well to be on the sideline.
 

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Interesting story about Surtain sr and his son. Apparently, when junior was a sophomore in HS he got into a fight in school. He tried to come across like he was from the hood.

His father embarrassed him in front of everyone, letting him know he knows nothing about the hood. Never been near the hood. So stop acting like you know what it's like when you don't.

Deion did something similar to his son on Twitter.
 

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I don’t normally link a Denver Post article for two reason, one is that they don’t usually have anything worth sharing ;) and secondly it’s behind a paywall. But if you haven’t used your three free (or whatever they give you) this is worth using one of your freebies.

 

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I don’t normally link a Denver Post article for two reason, one is that they don’t usually have anything worth sharing ;) and secondly it’s behind a paywall. But if you haven’t used your three free (or whatever they give you) this is worth using one of your freebies.

Good stuff George. The Broncos won't have to wait for this kid to learn how to be professional. In his vids - the guy is just silky smooth - every step in balance - every movement purposeful - and his hands just pluck the ball out of its arc. I'm sure fans will enjoy PS2's career.
 

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I don’t normally link a Denver Post article for two reason, one is that they don’t usually have anything worth sharing ;) and secondly it’s behind a paywall. But if you haven’t used your three free (or whatever they give you) this is worth using one of your freebies.


Unless things have changed, these paywalls pay attention to the browser are you using. Having two or three browsers on your device improves your free ad count. Or should
 
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