2012 College Football / 2013 NFL Draft

[BINGO]

Lane Kiffin praises Matt Barkley, says USC Trojans defense had negative impact on QB's draft stock - ESPN Los Angeles

 

[Smalls]

Lane Kiffin praises Matt Barkley, says USC Trojans defense had negative impact on QB's draft stock - ESPN Los Angeles

Sorry, Dad.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft has no D Hopkins and no D Moore in the first round. I would cream myself if they were our first two picks.

2013 NFL Mock Drafts : NFL Mock Draft: Ziggy Ansah hits top 5

 

[dreday]

I could see Hopkins getting taken with the 34th. But still think Moore goes 1st round. Even with the bad combine showing.

 

[dreday]

Also dnt like the picks for the NFC West. Bcuz it helps our main competition.

 

[ChrisPozz]

Combine alters position rankings for 2013 NFL Draft - NFL.com

 

[NinerSickness]

Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft has no D Hopkins and no D Moore in the first round. I would cream myself if they were our first two picks.

2013 NFL Mock Drafts : NFL Mock Draft: Ziggy Ansah hits top 5

Hold the phone.. I've been the biggest Cooper fan here, but Cooper ahead of Warmack? Are they getting a little too cute with the mocks?

Warmack CANNOT be a Ram. That must not happen. Trade up with the Saints to get him at 15 if he's there.

And no Justin Hunter? Wow.

Sheldon Richardson at 18? Well, you're welcome Dallas.

On another note... JOHNATHAN HANKINS ISN'T EVEN IN THE FIRST ROUND IN THIS MOCK!!!! Keep sleeping on the guy mock drafters. I hope NFL GMs do too.

 

[NinerSickness]

Just noticed Mayock has Jamie Collins as his 2nd rated 3-4 OLB. AHEAD of Mingo.

There goes my hope of landing him in the 3rd round. Trevardo Williams might still be there though...

People are seriously sleeping on:

Hankins, Tyler Bray, Sam Montgomery, Justin Hunter, Eric Reid & David Amerson (he khad a great combine; why is nobody talking about him?). And they might be sleeping on Trevardo Williams, but I don't know how high people are projecting him.

People are overrating:

Cordarrelle Patterson (2nd best WR on the Vols), Desmond Trufant (serious tackling issues), Margus Hunt (his combine was very good, but not as good as people thought it would be), Datone Jones (good, not great athlete).

 

[ChrisPozz]

Hold the phone.. I've been the biggest Cooper fan here, but Cooper ahead of Warmack? Are they getting a little too cute with the mocks?

Warmack CANNOT be a Ram. That must not happen. Trade up with the Saints to get him at 15 if he's there.

And no Justin Hunter? Wow.

Sheldon Richardson at 18? Well, you're welcome Dallas.

On another note... JOHNATHAN HANKINS ISN'T EVEN IN THE FIRST ROUND IN THIS MOCK!!!! Keep sleeping on the guy mock drafters. I hope NFL GMs do too.

A number of teams reportedly like Cooper over Warmack because of A) Warmack's mental make-up and/or B) Cooper is a better system fit for them.

 

[NinerSickness]

A number of teams reportedly like Cooper over Warmack because of A) Warmack's mental make-up and/or B) Cooper is a better system fit for them.

I haven't heard anything about Warmack's mental makeup, so this is news to me. I've been the biggest Cooper fan here, and I'm not surprised he might have a mental advantage because the guy just plays smart.

But Warmack is a human bulldozer. If he's there past about 12, the Niners would be smart to make him the new center. The Niners are a running team; the current OL minus Goodwin plus Warmack wouldn't even be fair for opposing defenses.

 

[NinerSickness]

The more I think about it, the more I want the Niners to draft Cornelius Carradine. Thisis my Bear investor pick. He's coming off an injury, and he couldn't perform at the combine. Teams are going to be very wary of him because they don't have the workout numbers. But the dude put up 28 rep's with 34 5/8 arms. That's pretty amazing, and it explains a lot because he has a nasty swim move. I LOVE the upper body strength & ability to keep the OL away from him on running downs. And at 6'4 w/ those long arms, he could get in some throwing lanes.

He can be a situational pass-rusher, and he can also has the size for the Niners to develop him in the 5 technique. He's about the same size as Justin Smith was coming out of college.

He's lookling like a mid-late 2nd rounder right now. If Tyler Bray isn't there in the 2nd and Carradine is, I say take him.

Favourite potential 2nd rounders:

1. Tyler Bray (steal of the draft)
2. Carradine
3. Amerson (FS)
4. Eric Reid.

 

[NinerSickness]

P.S. One of the reasons I was a little wary of Bjoern Werner's super high draft stock is because of the number of times I saw Carradine being doubled (on the harder-to-pass-rush right side of the defense) when they were both on the field. But Werner is a great prospect though; don't get me wrong.

 

[NinerSickness]

By the way, those favourite 2nd rounders are for the original 2nd rounder. I'd trade up to the middle of the 2nd for Carradine, and a little lower for Reid (not so much Amerson), but I wouldn't target those guys with the 34th pick.

 

[BINGO]

NFL Draft Blog
Pro day looms large for Te'o, others
March, 1, 2013 12:31PM ET
By Steve Muench

Te'o A Mistake
Mark May says making ILB Manti Te'o a first-round draft pick would be a big mistake.

Much has been made of the disappointing showing Notre Dame ILB Manti Te'o had at the NFL combine.

After measuring 6-foot-1¼ and 241 pounds, Te'o posted a pedestrian time of 4.82 seconds in the 40-yard dash and didn't look smooth or comfortable during position drills. That created doubt for teams that might have considered him a three-down linebacker and backed up concerns teams might have brought to Indianapolis.

That means the pressure is on for Te'o to improve his 40 time and look better in position drills during Notre Dame's March 26 pro day and during any individual workouts for teams.

However, Te'o isn't the only prospect to keep any eye on as the pro day schedule gets going. The notable players below also need solid showings in order to solidify their stock as draft weekend approaches. Non-seniors are noted with an asterisk.

To ease NFL scouts' minds, Damontre Moore must show better speed at his pro day.

Texas A&M DE Damontre Moore*

Moore posted a 35.5-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-2 broad jump at the combine, and while 40 times aren't the only factor in an evaluation, Moore's time of 4.95 does raise a red flag.

He ran slower than 297-pound Florida DT Sharrif Floyd, and Moore's time is well below the five-year combine average (4.88) for defensive ends. In addition, there are character concerns.

We don't know how he handled the interview process in Indy -- he may well have eased concerns while talking with teams -- but it didn't look good that he wasn't ready to go when his name was called for the 40.

A pro-day 40 time that better reflects his speed on tape will help his case, and Moore (6-4, 250) needs to continue to ease character concerns ahead of and beyond his March 8 workout.


Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones*

Jones decided not to work out at the combine because his preparation for medical exams affected his training, and that's the right approach.

The problem is that he missed an opportunity to show teams what he can do on the field and increased the importance of his March 21 pro day workout. Jones (6-2, 245) doesn't have great size for an edge rusher, so the keys for him will be explosiveness and speed during testing and fluidity during position-specific drills.

If he can run in the low-4.60 range and performs well during drills and the medical check on his spinal stenosis condition is clear, he'll solidify first-round status. If not, his stock could drop.


Mississippi State CB Johnthan Banks

Banks is in damage-control mode after testing poorly in Indy and failing to impress during his on-field workout. His 4.61 in the 40 is not good for a corner, and his 20-yard shuttle was also below average.

That raises concerns about his top-end speed and change-of-direction skills. Banks (6-2, 185) also looked tight flipping his hips and didn't field the ball cleanly.

While he doesn't show great top-end speed on film and still projects as a fringe first-round pick, he needs to get that time down into the 4.5s and look more fluid during drills.

Banks doesn't have much time to prepare, because Mississippi State's pro day is March 6. On the other hand, he has an opportunity to quickly erase, or at least diminish, his disappointing showing at the combine.


Florida State DE Cornellius Carradine

Carradine tore the ACL in his right knee against Florida late in the season, and the injury prevented him from running in Indianapolis. He's not expected to work out at Florida State's pro day on March 19 either.

However, Carradine (6-4½, 276) is expected to perform for teams in early April, and it will be interesting to see how well he runs, because he's one of the top defensive end prospects in the class on film. Teams should account for where he is in the recovery process when it comes to the 40, so he doesn't have to lay down an elite time.


USC QB Matt Barkley

Like Carradine, an injury prevented Barkley from working out at the combine. The good news is he says his shoulder is progressing and should be ready to throw at USC's pro day on March 27.

Forget about the testing. Barkley (6-2⅞, 227) doesn't need to run well or jump high to help his stock. The key is how well he throws the ball. Not much separates the top seven quarterbacks on our board, so Barkley still has a chance to move up even though he'll be throwing against air.


Don't forget about Lotulelei
One other name worth mentioning is Utah DT Star Lotulelei, who was advised by NFL combine doctors not to work out in Indianapolis following an abnormal test result that raised concerns about a heart condition. Lotulelei is expected to see a specialist and could work out at Utah's pro day on March 20 if everything checks out, but getting cleared medically is far more important than any testing. It's not known when or if he will work out, so we'll continue to monitor the situation.


Steve Muench
Scouts Inc.

 

[NinerSickness]

New topic:

What's your opinion on Trevardo Williams VS Jamie Collins? It seems to me most people think Collins will go higher, and I would tend to think they're right. He's 2 inches taller & has longer arms; Trevardo has a better 40, but Collins had a better 10 yard split. That makes sense because Collins' jump numbers were off the charts (Trevardo's were great too, but Collins moreso). And this is despite the fact that Collins is 9 pounds heavier than Trevardo.

Collins seems to kind of throw himself at linemen and bounce off of them sometimes. Williams is 6 months younger. Both played against pretty weak competition...

I've noticed over the years that one statistic that usually translates well to the NFL is sack numbers. Williams has 24 sacks in his last 2 years in college, which is excellent; compare that to Barkevious Mingo who 12. B]Collins[/B] had 16.5. (granted, Mingo didn't stay for his senior year & is a year younger, but his best sack total was 7.5 in a season).

Then there's strength. With slightly shorter arms, Williams put up 30 rep's to Collins' 19. That's a pretty huge difference.

Collins has the kind of burst like he's shot out of a cannon, but I have to say that Trevardo is probably the better prospect. He just seems to play with more strngth & consistency. I love the 24 sacks in 2 years as well. That's amazing. And Williams is rated lower by most people, so he'd probably be a better value.

I'm seeing people say Collins could go as high as the late 30's to 40's, but 50's to 60's is reasonable. Williams looks like he might be there in the late 3rd.

So in conclusion: Williams > Collins, and Williams will go lower.

What say you?

 

[deep9er]

New topic:

What's your opinion on Trevardo Williams VS Jamie Collins? It seems to me most people think Collins will go higher, and I would tend to think they're right. He's 2 inches taller & has longer arms; Trevardo has a better 40, but Collins had a better 10 yard split. That makes sense because Collins' jump numbers were off the charts (Trevardo's were great too, but Collins moreso). And this is despite the fact that Collins is 9 pounds heavier than Trevardo.

Collins seems to kind of throw himself at linemen and bounce off of them sometimes. Williams is 6 months younger. Both played against pretty weak competition...

I've noticed over the years that one statistic that usually translates well to the NFL is sack numbers. Williams has 24 sacks in his last 2 years in college, which is excellent; compare that to Barkevious Mingo who 12. B]Collins[/B] had 16.5. (granted, Mingo didn't stay for his senior year & is a year younger, but his best sack total was 7.5 in a season).

Then there's strength. With slightly shorter arms, Williams put up 30 rep's to Collins' 19. That's a pretty huge difference.

Collins has the kind of burst like he's shot out of a cannon, but I have to say that Trevardo is probably the better prospect. He just seems to play with more strngth & consistency. I love the 24 sacks in 2 years as well. That's amazing. And Williams is rated lower by most people, so he'd probably be a better value.

I'm seeing people say Collins could go as high as the late 30's to 40's, but 50's to 60's is reasonable. Williams looks like he might be there in the late 3rd.

So in conclusion: Williams > Collins, and Williams will go lower.

What say you?

i say Collins based on that article i read, cause liked the fact "production" was used to describe him. granted the competition was lower but thats for Baalke and Staff to factor in.

 

[NinerSickness]

So I know I've been extremely excited at the prospect of drafting Jarvis Jones since his stock has dropped so much, but the more I think about it, the more unlikely I see him dropping out of the top 15. NFL teams are so desperate for pass-rushers that there's no way the Saints would leave him on the board IMO. and I don't want to trde all the way up to 15 unless Chance Warmack is on the board (which he won't be).

I'm starting to think it would make more sense to stay put or trade up a few spots to draft Tyler Eifert because after him, there's VERY little at TE in this draft. And he's SIGNIFICANTLY better than any of the other TE prospects in the draft. I read that the Niners aren't having any luck hammering out a deal with Walker. But if the Niners signed a speedy threat of a WR like Mike Wallace (as they MUST do), Eifert would be a perfect compliment to the offense. With his heihgt & vertcal lap, he'd be exaclty the kind of 1st & goal threat the Niners haven't had since TO.

The Niners can get a WR, DE, pass-rusher, CB, safety, etc. in FA. Unless they re-sign Walker, there aren't a lot of TE options in FA (nor are there a lot of NT options if they don't sign Sopoaga). That's why it would make a lot of sense to target Hankins & Eifert in the draft if they don't re-sign those guys.

 

[NinerSickness]

Hey Clyde, you were right about the depth in this draft class. It took me 'til after the combine to see it. I'm looking at all kinds of players I want the Niners to get, and there aren't enough draft picks to get 'em.

 

[NinerSickness]

It's looking more an more like one of my scenarios is unrealistic IMO. I liked the idea of trading up a few spots to get Tyler Eifert. With as few options as there are at TE and as important as TEs are becoming these days, I have a feeling Eifert is going in the top 20. That's too far to trade up for a TE IMO.

Man I hope Walker re-signs for something reasonable (and then learns how to catch).

For some reason, based on the mock drafts I'm seeing, people haven't caught on yet to how underrated John Hankins, Justin Hunter, Cornelius Carradine, Eric Reid & Tyler Bray are. I hope NFL GMs don't catch on either.

Mongomery is severely underrated too, but the aforementioned are my favourites (especially Carradine; he should easily be a top 10-20 pick).

 

[Smalls]

Sick, what about the TE class makes you keep saying there are few options? Maybe I'm misinformed, but I've heard the contrary. Sure, Eifert is really a good prospect. But I've heard, and in some cases seen good things out of a lot of guys. Zach Ertz, Gavin Escobar, Travis Kelce, Jordan Reed, Vance McDonald all seem like guys that could get picked in the first few rounds. Even some of the projected later round guys are skilled enough to offer value as a second TE (Gragg, Sims, Toilolo, Stoneburner, Rivera, etc). Just not a fan of them?