10 Reasons why an Appeal Overturns TB12 Suspension

[NEPatsfan]

-------
Nope the onus is on you. No generalities, I askd you to provide specific issues. Surely you can be honest with that

You proclaimed something then couldn't offer any examples to back it up. Pretty much your usual routine.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Nope. He was investigated, past tense.

Now the league should make the entire investigation public for us all to have a look at.

It was

Not sure, you would have to ask him. It's his personal phone and not his work phone so my guess is that is the position he, and his legal team, are taking.

Now I'm wondering why won't the league release then entire investigation so we can all review it?

I wonder why Tom won't turn his phone over so they can look at his deleted texts.

 

[NEPatsfan]

It was

I wonder why Tom won't turn his phone over so they can look at his deleted texts.

My guess is because it's his personal phone and not property of the team.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

My guess is because it's his personal phone and not property of the team.

Yeah that it

 

[NEPatsfan]

Yeah that it

I find it hard to believe his attorney would just say "yeah no biggie give it to them".

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I find it hard to believe his attorney would just say "yeah no biggie give it to them".

Well yeah, because it would prove him guilt.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Well yeah, because it would prove him guilt.

yeah that's it.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

yeah that's it.

Exactly! We all believe that, even Pats fans. Your all hanging your hats on the belief there isn't enough proof, yet there is enough proof to make all SportsHoopla NFL posters believe he's guilty and that includes Pats fans.

Just keep repeating..."It wasn't me" should work, right?

 

[NEPatsfan]

Exactly! We all believe that, even Pats fans. Your all hanging your hats on the belief there isn't enough proof, yet there is enough proof to make all SportsHoopla NFL posters believe he's guilty and that includes Pats fans.

Just keep repeating..."It wasn't me" should work, right?

There is literally no proof in the Wells report, all the more reason you should be joining in and asking for the full investigation to be opened up for review. What are they hiding? Why do they get a pass in all this?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

There is literally no proof in the Wells report, all the more reason you should be joining in and asking for the full investigation to be opened up for review. What are they hiding? Why do they get a pass in all this?

The texts are all most folks need. Just no explaining those away.

 

[Fencer]

The texts are all most folks need.

Lucky for them, since the scientific evidence affirmatively demonstrates the Pats' innocence.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Lucky for them, since the scientific evidence affirmatively demonstrates the Pats' innocence.

Say what? Explain.

 

[WizardHawk]

In your post #14 you stated,

"But there is a reasonably long list of "improper" activity by this team that goes way back."

Beyond Deflategate: Ranking the Patriots' Top 10 Scandals | BDCwire
10. Bledsoe Injures a Woman Stagediving at Everclear Show


November 15, 1997The Patriots’ current franchise QB isn’t the only top-tier gunslinger in New England’s history to attract controversy. Brady’s predecessor Drew Bledsoe also ran afoul of the general public after he, his backup Scott Zolak, and OL Max Lane bodyslammed a female Everclear fan at a show at the Paradise. Of course, this was before the 24-hour news cycle, so things were quickly forgotten, but the victim did suffer neck, shoulder, and arm injuries. Bledsoe’s agent gave this Belichick-ian statement in reply:

“Drew went to a concert and, following the custom of his generation, he jumped into the crowd…I’d prefer he not jump off stages.”

9. Patriots Mascot Arrested in Prostitution Sting


December 11, 2009
Robert Sormanti, one of the many faces behind the mask of Pat Patriot, was arrested in 2010 as part of a prostitution sting in Rhode Island. The Warwick native was one of 14 cuffed for the newly reformed ordinance that outlawed indoor prostitution (Rhode Island is a strange place) after answering a Craigslist ad. The Pats organization suspended Sormanti in the wake of his arrest, and that’s where the trail goes cold. We can only assume Sormanti was eventually let go, and the whole thing was swept under the rug without too much fanfare.

8. Pats Cheerleader Draws Swastikas on Drunk Friend
November 6, 2008Caitlin Davis saw her dreams of joining the Patriots cheerleaders dashed when she was fired from the squad after pictures of her posing with a marker over a passed out man decorated with swastikas surfaced on Onblastatlast.com. Bob Kraft, who is famously a member of the Anti-Defamation League, was having none of it, and Davis was kicked to the curb within a week of the photos leaking. Because of the immediate action, this scandal blew over pretty quickly, and there was little blowback for the players and coaches.

7. Patriots Baffle Ravens With Unorthodox Substitutions


January 11, 2015
Though Patriots fans would maintain the team’s innocence in the face of any and all accusations, this is one example wherein the hometown boys were following the rulebook. But this didn’t stop red-eyed crybaby John Harbaugh from taking to the media to complain about the Patriots’ sneaky offensive substitutions. Harbaugh, who took a penalty after running on the field to protest Belichick’s “deceptive” practice of naming RB Shane Vereen and TE Michael Hoomanawanui ineligible receivers while in a hurryup offense, didn’t have a leg to stand on, as the league eventually ruled the move legal. Belichick would employ the same trickery in the ensuing AFC Championship game against the Indianapolis Colts, which only reinforced his image as a master of deception.

6. Tom Brady Leaves His Pregnant Girlfriend
February 19, 2007
Before Brady married Gisele and became the domesticated family man we know him as today, he made TMZ headlines when he left pregnant former girlfriend Bridget Moynahan. The Patriots signal caller has since reformed his playboy image.

5. Deflategate/Ballghazi

January 19, 2014Just about everything that needs to be written about Ballghazi has been written already — the Patriots stand accused of underinflating 11 of the 12 home game balls in their AFC Championship victory over Indianapolis. The missing PSIs have driven the hawking sports media bananas, despite the fact that ball tampering isn’t exactly a rarity in today’s NFL. At any rate, it seems like the Pats have been caught red-handed, and they’ll face fines and (potentially) draft pick forfeitures, but the lasting effect will be the asterisk talk. In the grand scheme, it’s not the worst thing the New England team has ever done, but it certainly isn’t as innocuous as getting too amped at a dadrock show.

4. Pats Snowplow Their Way to Victory Against Dolphins

December 12, 1982
The Patriots’ legacy of using unwritten rules to their advantage actually began 33 years ago, when then-coach Ron Meyer ordered a field hand to snowplow a patch of the field so that NE kicker John Smith could kick a field goal over the Dolphins. The 33-yarder won the game 3-0 for the Patriots, and, following the game, the use of snow plows was promptly disallowed. Miami coach Don Shula was understandably livid, throwing one of the most epic tantrums in NFL history, but the league did not take any other action. The tractor used to clear the field is now proudly on display at Patriot Place.

3. Aaron Hernandez Arrested for the Murder of Odin Lloyd
June 26, 2013
Perhaps the biggest media circus to ever hit the New England sports world was the descent of TE Aaron Hernandez. After the former Florida Gator reportedly picked up Lloyd at 2:30 a.m. –following a dispute the two had at a nightclub earlier in the night– Hernandez’s own security cameras show the tight end leaving his home with a gun, and gunshots were reported in the Attleboro neighborhood that night. Lloyd was found dead in a nearby industrial park. The Pats were quick to wash their hands of Hernandez, cutting him shortly after his arrest, which is the only reason why this scandal isn’t higher on this list.

2. The Tuck Rule

January 19, 2002
ESPN named the Patriots’ controversial victory over the Oakland Raiders in the 2002 playoffs the 48th most memorable moment of the past 25 years,which almost trivializes how much it’s affected the offending team. Between the tinhats saying they should have their 2003 Super Bowl rings revoked to Ray Lewis saying it’s the only thing Tom Brady is remembered for, the perpetual AFC East winners are constantly reminded of the ref’s decision to rule Charles Woodson’s strip sack an incomplete pass. Admittedly, it was the wrong call to make, but you won’t hear Pats fans complain, even if it meant their hometown franchise became more hated to the outside world.


1. Spygate


September 9, 2007
When Bill Belichick turned his cameras to the sidelines to videotape the New York Jets, he committed what many consider to be football treason. Though Belichick insisted that the practice was common elsewhere in the NFL and admitted his team had been taping signals from opponents since 2000, the Patriots became the league example for cheating. They were hamstrung for $250,000 and their 2008 first-round pick (Belichick was also fined $500,000, the largest fine ever levied by the league at the time). The scandal will stand as a black mark on the coach’s career as well as the Patriots’ organization, who won all three of their Superbowls while “spying” on opponents. It also set a standard for how low Belichick is willing to sink for wins, an ambition he is still lauded for here in Boston.

Good enough list for you?

If not, we can surely find another.

 

[Fencer]

Say what? Explain.

The decline in pressure in the Patriots' footballs is that predicted by the Ideal Gas Law, unless we assume that the referee misreported the facts.

The Wells report DOES assume he was incorrect about exactly one fact -- which gauge he used -- but gives no substantiation that I know of for that assumption.

 

[Fencer]

Good enough list for you?

10 items, only 2 of which are allegations of cheating. Of the 2, 1 is contradicted by science, and the other was an activity that was legal in previous seasons, was legal in other parts of the stadium, and was carried out very much in the open.

 

[Fencer]

As for the off-field stuff -- Hernandez aside, most teams can rack that many arrests and so on up in a single off-season.

And blaming the organization for swastika-drawing when it's owned by Jews is a bit precious anyway ...

 

[WizardHawk]

He asked for a list of improper activity by the team. Covers all of their various seediness. Not surprised you don't like that list though.

Blah blah blah, everyone does it, nothing is true, blah blah blah, it's all a witch hunt.

Denial is all you people have. And the entire world laughs at you for it.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

The decline in pressure in the Patriots' footballs is that predicted by the Ideal Gas Law, unless we assume that the referee misreported the facts.

The Wells report DOES assume he was incorrect about exactly one fact -- which gauge he used -- but gives no substantiation that I know of for that assumption.

WRONG I am getting sick of the Ideal Gas argument it ahs been proven wronrg time and time again.

Chad Orzel at The Conversation, a physicist at Union College, stuffed footballs in his freezer and found that after a cold night the footballs’ pressure had dropped by two pounds per square inch, just like the Patriots’ balls. Of course, that was from a temperature drop of 78 degrees Fahrenheit. A blogger named Hondo calculated that the temperature on the playing field would have had to make it down to 31 degrees F to cause the change—much colder than it actually was during the game. Even Bill Nye the Science Guy deduced on video that the temperature alone wouldn’t have been enough.

Can Science Solve the Mystery of Deflategate? - Scientific American

 

[HaroldSeattle]

The decline in pressure in the Patriots' footballs is that predicted by the Ideal Gas Law, unless we assume that the referee misreported the facts.

The Wells report DOES assume he was incorrect about exactly one fact -- which gauge he used -- but gives no substantiation that I know of for that assumption.

Oh boy, now Pats fans are coming up with some real awesome theories about how that damn air got out of those balls. Pay no mind to those texts that make it plain as day how that happen.

 

[Fencer]

Oh boy, now Pats fans are coming up with some real awesome theories about how that damn air got out of those balls. Pay no mind to those texts that make it plain as day how that happen.

The Wells report says that McNally never took the balls out of the officials' locker room unescorted, except for the singular occasion of the Colts game. In fact, they make a big deal of it. (McNally said otherwise, but the Wells report disbelieved him.)

So is it your theory that he regularly deflated balls while in the officials' locker room? Or is it instead your theory that the texts all referred to a single future deflating, that was finally carried out in the recent Colts game (and therefore that all prior accusations of ball deflation were incorrect)?