10 Reasons why an Appeal Overturns TB12 Suspension

[Fencer]

WRONG I am getting sick of the Ideal Gas argument it ahs been proven wronrg time and time again.

Chad Orzel at The Conversation, a physicist at Union College, stuffed footballs in his freezer and found that after a cold night the footballs’ pressure had dropped by two pounds per square inch, just like the Patriots’ balls. Of course, that was from a temperature drop of 78 degrees Fahrenheit. A blogger named Hondo calculated that the temperature on the playing field would have had to make it down to 31 degrees F to cause the change—much colder than it actually was during the game. Even Bill Nye the Science Guy deduced on video that the temperature alone wouldn’t have been enough.

Can Science Solve the Mystery of Deflategate? - Scientific American

I'm not sure whether site rules allow me to express the full stupidity that you are showing there.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

The Wells report says that McNally never took the balls out of the officials' locker room unescorted, except for the singular occasion of the Colts game. In fact, they make a big deal of it. (McNally said otherwise, but the Wells report disbelieved him.)

So is it your theory that he regularly deflated balls while in the officials' locker room? Or is it instead your theory that the texts all referred to a single future deflating, that was finally carried out in the recent Colts game (and therefore that all prior accusations of ball deflation were incorrect)?

show me where it said that in other games the equipment guys( not just McNally) were never alone with the balls.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

I'm not sure whether site rules allow me to express the full stupidity that you are showing there.

So it doesn't fit your argument so you just dismiss it without providing facts ok.

 

[Fencer]

show me where it said that in other games the equipment guys( not just McNally) were never alone with the balls.

I didn't say that. But according to the report, previous to the day of the Colts game, McNally was never alone with the balls, except in the officials' locker room. (McNally actually claimed the opposite, i.e. that he often took the balls out of the locker room alone. But the report said he was lying on that point.)

You are welcome, if you wish, to suggest that there's a long pattern of behavior of McNally deflating the balls while he's in the officials' locker room, perhaps because he's highly confident they won't return in time to see him. Is that your view?

 

[Fencer]

So it doesn't fit your argument so you just dismiss it without providing facts ok.

No. I'm calling you a moron for basing your argument on ball deflation figures that have since been discredited, specifically in the Wells report.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Beyond Deflategate: Ranking the Patriots' Top 10 Scandals | BDCwire
10. Bledsoe Injures a Woman Stagediving at Everclear Show


November 15, 1997The Patriots’ current franchise QB isn’t the only top-tier gunslinger in New England’s history to attract controversy. Brady’s predecessor Drew Bledsoe also ran afoul of the general public after he, his backup Scott Zolak, and OL Max Lane bodyslammed a female Everclear fan at a show at the Paradise. Of course, this was before the 24-hour news cycle, so things were quickly forgotten, but the victim did suffer neck, shoulder, and arm injuries. Bledsoe’s agent gave this Belichick-ian statement in reply:

“Drew went to a concert and, following the custom of his generation, he jumped into the crowd…I’d prefer he not jump off stages.”

9. Patriots Mascot Arrested in Prostitution Sting


December 11, 2009
Robert Sormanti, one of the many faces behind the mask of Pat Patriot, was arrested in 2010 as part of a prostitution sting in Rhode Island. The Warwick native was one of 14 cuffed for the newly reformed ordinance that outlawed indoor prostitution (Rhode Island is a strange place) after answering a Craigslist ad. The Pats organization suspended Sormanti in the wake of his arrest, and that’s where the trail goes cold. We can only assume Sormanti was eventually let go, and the whole thing was swept under the rug without too much fanfare.

8. Pats Cheerleader Draws Swastikas on Drunk Friend
November 6, 2008Caitlin Davis saw her dreams of joining the Patriots cheerleaders dashed when she was fired from the squad after pictures of her posing with a marker over a passed out man decorated with swastikas surfaced on Onblastatlast.com. Bob Kraft, who is famously a member of the Anti-Defamation League, was having none of it, and Davis was kicked to the curb within a week of the photos leaking. Because of the immediate action, this scandal blew over pretty quickly, and there was little blowback for the players and coaches.

7. Patriots Baffle Ravens With Unorthodox Substitutions


January 11, 2015
Though Patriots fans would maintain the team’s innocence in the face of any and all accusations, this is one example wherein the hometown boys were following the rulebook. But this didn’t stop red-eyed crybaby John Harbaugh from taking to the media to complain about the Patriots’ sneaky offensive substitutions. Harbaugh, who took a penalty after running on the field to protest Belichick’s “deceptive” practice of naming RB Shane Vereen and TE Michael Hoomanawanui ineligible receivers while in a hurryup offense, didn’t have a leg to stand on, as the league eventually ruled the move legal. Belichick would employ the same trickery in the ensuing AFC Championship game against the Indianapolis Colts, which only reinforced his image as a master of deception.

6. Tom Brady Leaves His Pregnant Girlfriend
February 19, 2007
Before Brady married Gisele and became the domesticated family man we know him as today, he made TMZ headlines when he left pregnant former girlfriend Bridget Moynahan. The Patriots signal caller has since reformed his playboy image.

5. Deflategate/Ballghazi

January 19, 2014Just about everything that needs to be written about Ballghazi has been written already — the Patriots stand accused of underinflating 11 of the 12 home game balls in their AFC Championship victory over Indianapolis. The missing PSIs have driven the hawking sports media bananas, despite the fact that ball tampering isn’t exactly a rarity in today’s NFL. At any rate, it seems like the Pats have been caught red-handed, and they’ll face fines and (potentially) draft pick forfeitures, but the lasting effect will be the asterisk talk. In the grand scheme, it’s not the worst thing the New England team has ever done, but it certainly isn’t as innocuous as getting too amped at a dadrock show.

4. Pats Snowplow Their Way to Victory Against Dolphins

December 12, 1982
The Patriots’ legacy of using unwritten rules to their advantage actually began 33 years ago, when then-coach Ron Meyer ordered a field hand to snowplow a patch of the field so that NE kicker John Smith could kick a field goal over the Dolphins. The 33-yarder won the game 3-0 for the Patriots, and, following the game, the use of snow plows was promptly disallowed. Miami coach Don Shula was understandably livid, throwing one of the most epic tantrums in NFL history, but the league did not take any other action. The tractor used to clear the field is now proudly on display at Patriot Place.

3. Aaron Hernandez Arrested for the Murder of Odin Lloyd
June 26, 2013
Perhaps the biggest media circus to ever hit the New England sports world was the descent of TE Aaron Hernandez. After the former Florida Gator reportedly picked up Lloyd at 2:30 a.m. –following a dispute the two had at a nightclub earlier in the night– Hernandez’s own security cameras show the tight end leaving his home with a gun, and gunshots were reported in the Attleboro neighborhood that night. Lloyd was found dead in a nearby industrial park. The Pats were quick to wash their hands of Hernandez, cutting him shortly after his arrest, which is the only reason why this scandal isn’t higher on this list.

2. The Tuck Rule

January 19, 2002
ESPN named the Patriots’ controversial victory over the Oakland Raiders in the 2002 playoffs the 48th most memorable moment of the past 25 years,which almost trivializes how much it’s affected the offending team. Between the tinhats saying they should have their 2003 Super Bowl rings revoked to Ray Lewis saying it’s the only thing Tom Brady is remembered for, the perpetual AFC East winners are constantly reminded of the ref’s decision to rule Charles Woodson’s strip sack an incomplete pass. Admittedly, it was the wrong call to make, but you won’t hear Pats fans complain, even if it meant their hometown franchise became more hated to the outside world.


1. Spygate


September 9, 2007
When Bill Belichick turned his cameras to the sidelines to videotape the New York Jets, he committed what many consider to be football treason. Though Belichick insisted that the practice was common elsewhere in the NFL and admitted his team had been taping signals from opponents since 2000, the Patriots became the league example for cheating. They were hamstrung for $250,000 and their 2008 first-round pick (Belichick was also fined $500,000, the largest fine ever levied by the league at the time). The scandal will stand as a black mark on the coach’s career as well as the Patriots’ organization, who won all three of their Superbowls while “spying” on opponents. It also set a standard for how low Belichick is willing to sink for wins, an ambition he is still lauded for here in Boston.

Good enough list for you?

If not, we can surely find another.

Actually it's pretty weak. A cheerleader scandal? Really?

Tuck rule and formations? Both within the rules.

Etc, etc

 

[eaglesnut]

Oh boy, now Pats fans are coming up with some real awesome theories about how that damn air got out of those balls. Pay no mind to those texts that make it plain as day how that happen.

No they don't. You are interpreting the texts to fit your preconceived conclusion. A logical folly.

 

[PatsFan2003]

Change the title to this thread to 11 reasons,

Tom Brady just hired the NFL slayer Jeffery Kessler.

His track record against the NFL and affiliated groups? Well lets just say they are real, and they are spectacular.

DeflateGate: Patriots Quarterback Tom Brady Hires Jeffrey Kessler; League In Trouble - Pats Pulpit

• McNeil, et al. v. NFL, et al. - Won jury verdict for NFL players striking down free agency restrictions under the antitrust laws. This victory led to the Reggie White class action, in which the free agency/salary cap system in the NFL was negotiated.
• Brady v. NFL - Successfully represented a class of NFL players in an antitrust action which led to the end of the 2011 NFL lockout.
• Players Inc. v. Gridiron and Athletes First - Successfully prosecuted two frontier IP litigations challenging the group use of NFL player images on websites.
• City of Oakland and Alameda County, et al. v. Oakland Raiders - Obtained summary judgment on behalf of City of Oakland and Alameda County requiring Raiders to honor the team's stadium lease and remain in Oakland.
• NBA and NFL arbitrations - Represented the players associations in numerous arbitrations involving player free agency rights, circumvention claims, collusion claims, and salary caps.
• North American Soccer League, et al. v. NFL- Successfully represented North American Soccer League in antitrust case striking down NFL ownership rules.
• Guidry, et al. v. AFL, et al. - Successfully represented class of AFL players in antitrust case which established free agency in the AFL.
• Belichick v. NFL, et al. - Represented NFL Head Coach in litigation over changing teams.
• NFLPA v. NFL - Successfully represented NFLPA in challenge to provisions of NFL TV Contracts used to fund the NFL 2011 Lockout.

I honestly hope the NFL and the Patriots/Brady can work out something that avoids dragging both into court beyond this appeal.

Maybe knowing the Patriots have hired the Prince of NFL darkness will help prevent that.

 

[NEPatsfan]

I honestly hope the NFL and the Patriots/Brady can work out something that avoids dragging both into court beyond this appeal.

Maybe knowing the Patriots have hired the Prince of NFL darkness will help prevent that.

At this point I'm hoping they go full nuclear.

 

[BHF]

Lucky for them, since the scientific evidence affirmatively demonstrates the Pats' innocence.

No, it doesn't. Even those who initially game to the Patriots' defense are saying that the evidence points to the Pats guilt.

Physics Professor: Deflategate Reports Science Holds Up - Patriots - Boston.com

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Brady probably will follow thru with his appeal today and I think they will end up with a 2 game suspension. If TB goes for zero games missed...the NFL will dig their heels in and this will drag on into camp.

 

[NEPatsfan]

No, it doesn't. Even those who initially game to the Patriots' defense are saying that the evidence points to the Pats guilt.

Physics Professor: Deflategate Reports Science Holds Up - Patriots - Boston.com

And the good Professor is wrong. When you don't have the initial measurements of the balls there is no way to know how much of a drop actually occurred.

Fail, no cookie for the Professor.

 

[PatsFan2003]

At this point I'm hoping they go full nuclear.

That's your anger talking. Cooler heads need to prevail.

2 games for Brady, starting right after the opening day on Thursday

Reduced fine and draft pick penalty for Kraft 500k and loss of 3rd round pick.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Brady probably will follow thru with his appeal today and I think they will end up with a 2 game suspension. If TB goes for zero games missed...the NFL will dig their heels in and this will drag on into camp.

NFL doesn't get a say on the digging their heels in part. If the NFL doesn't drop it to zero games and Brady decides to take it into court the NFL will not have a choice in participation. A place they don't want to go based on their track record.

 

[NEPatsfan]

That's your anger talking. Cooler heads need to prevail.

2 games for Brady, starting right after the opening day on Thursday

Reduced fine and draft pick penalty for Kraft 500k and loss of 3rd round pick.

No not at all. Unlike many posters on here I see the NFL for what it is, entertainment. And this going nuclear will be unreal entertainment, 11 on a 10 scale.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

No not at all. Unlike many posters on here I see the NFL for what it is, entertainment. And this going nuclear will be unreal entertainment, 11 on a 10 scale.

I agree once all Brady's text messages get out and it becomes definitively clear he cheated I wonder what excuse the pats fans will use. It should be fun.

 

[NEPatsfan]

I agree once all Brady's text messages get out and it becomes definitively clear he cheated I wonder what excuse the pats fans will use. It should be fun.

You're assuming that's whats on them. Maybe, maybe not. But wouldn't you also like to see what's on the league officials phones, computers?

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

You're assuming that's whats on them. Maybe, maybe not. But wouldn't you also like to see what's on the league officials phones, computers?

If it is pertinent to deflategate sure. I assume your talking about the colts and ravens and the league working together to stick it to new england?

 

[NEPatsfan]

If it is pertinent to deflategate sure. I assume your talking about the colts and ravens and the league working together to stick it to new england?

Possibly with other teams sure, but more interested in the league office officials communications leading up to the game, during, and then during the investigation.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

NFL doesn't get a say on the digging their heels in part. If the NFL doesn't drop it to zero games and Brady decides to take it into court the NFL will not have a choice in participation. A place they don't want to go based on their track record.

To be honest, the NFL doesn't want to see Brady or any star player miss games...but, imo Brady would be smart to play the game...take his negotiated 2 games (if it comes to that and walk away).

Why would it be smart...if he tries to get away unscathed...We know for a fact that air was taken out of the footballs, and to the lay person...the equipment people are not going to arbitrarily deflate footballs without a directive.

An appeal to reduce the games missed makes sense because 4 games is a lot for this deed. Secondly...I do not think an arbitrator will try to lump "past sins" into the punishment.

Unscathed? Zero games missed?...The Wells reports clearly "suggests" that TB was aware of what was going on with the balls...I don't see an arbitrator just totaling dismissing the report findings. TB is going to have to prove the report wrong and I'm not sure how he's going to be able to do that because this is not about what can be proved in terms of Wells' report, but what is believable.