10 Reasons why an Appeal Overturns TB12 Suspension

[Fencer]

It's plain and simple folks, you are NOT allowed to modify the game ball to your liking.

Actually, that's the opposite of the truth.

You can do pretty much what you want to it -- within reason -- before giving it to the referees shortly before the start of the game.

 

[GenJac]

Actually, that's the opposite of the truth.

You can do pretty much what you want to it -- within reason -- before giving it to the referees shortly before the start of the game.

Your lack of knowledge of the basic facts here is problematic.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

How old are you?

They will get embarrassed if they proceed to fight the NFL on this. The Patriots will lose the case. It's plain and simple folks, you are NOT allowed to modify the game ball to your liking. Brady is getting off easy with this. He's lucky to even be in the league still. Shut your mouth Tom and be grateful you only got a suspension. Goes for Kraft too. Something needs to be done about that man.

So true

All of it

 

[Fencer]

I'm not suggesting he is innocent. I'm just saying using those texts only shows he obsessed over balls 11 games earlier than this investigation.

Some of those were recovered after being deleted, which isn't odd considering they were 3 months old. The older files have been deleted the less recoverable they are. Where are all the texts over the next 10 games about ball pressure? Any? Even one?

It establishes a prior history, but it's a long long long way before the AFCCG. Those are the texts they needed.

Exactly. This so-called pattern of behavior seems to have been restricted to a couple of very specific points in time.

 

[Fencer]

Your lack of knowledge of the basic facts here is problematic.

Well-known fact -- teams spend hours preparing the balls before games, if not days. NOBODY with a brain is disputing that, just you.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

Deflategate: AJ Feeley says he saw Pats use doctored footballs - NFL - SI.com

 

[Fencer]

According to data presented by Warren Sharp, of Sharpfootballanalysis.com, the Patriots have, by a whopping margin, the best fumbles-to-play ratio since the start of the 2007 season, after Brady and Peyton Manning petitioned the league - to allow each team to supply its own footballs.

It's not only a whopping differential over those seasons, but a whopping differential measured against all of the teams in NFL history. After an 0-2 record in wet-weather games at Foxborough in 2006, the Patriots have a 14-1 home record playing in those games since.

Sharp asked a data scientist the chances of all that being coincidence. He was told it would be "like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0000616 probability to win."

Right. Did he go on to mention the seasons that, for example, the Patriots' primary ball-carrier was a guy with zero fumbles in college?

 

[Fencer]

No. One. Cares.

About the facts.

You're probably right.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

The legacy and titles are forever Tarnished

There's nothing we could do to change that now

 

[Thumper]

Right. Did he go on to mention the seasons that, for example, the Patriots' primary ball-carrier was a guy with zero fumbles in college?

Pretty lame excuse.

Enjoy your penalties.

 

[Thumper]

The legacy and titles are forever Tarnished

There's nothing we could do to change that now

Patriots Who?

If anybody ever tried to mention them as a great team.

DQ'ed.

Not in the conversation.

 

[Fencer]

It does matter what they said 3 months earlier because they were trying to establish a pattern of deflating balls.

But the charge isn't that they deflated balls, which is not only legal under the rules but could be required of them.

The charge is specifically that they deflated balls during the narrow time window that they're not supposed to (i.e., after turning them over to the refs).

 

[Thumper]

Deflategate: AJ Feeley says he saw Pats use doctored footballs - NFL - SI.com

There goes the appeals.

We need to ADD onto the penalties.

 

[Fencer]

The scientific part of the report determined that SOMEONE had doctored the balls during the AFCCG. That's a fact.

Which balls are you referring to? If we believe the refs, then the evidence shows that the Patriots' balls were NOT doctored.

 

[Fencer]

The balls didn't deflate themselves...fact.

Physics, for 100s of years, has disagreed with you. What makes you think science is wrong?

 

[BoBlake]

Which balls are you referring to? If we believe the refs, then the evidence shows that the Patriots' balls were NOT doctored.

Hey, I found a picture of you on the internet.

 

[WizardHawk]

Actually, that's the opposite of the truth.

You can do pretty much what you want to it -- within reason -- before giving it to the referees shortly before the start of the game.

More, you can tamper with the ball in game and the well established punishment for it is a 25k fine. It has happened many times. Teams heating up balls and doing other things to them. It's not even a slap on the wrist.

People clamoring for him to be kicked from the league for removing air have no idea what they are talking about. None. Zero. It's just not a big deal in the rules of the NFL.

Now lying and covering up, that's another matter. This is why he's suspended. Has nothing to do with the actual tampering of the balls.

 

[Sgt Brutus]

But the charge isn't that they deflated balls, which is not only legal under the rules but could be required of them.

The charge is specifically that they deflated balls during the narrow time window that they're not supposed to (i.e., after turning them over to the refs).

So you believe nothing happened?

The guy calling himself the deflator and saying he'll go to ESPN with this stuff meant nothing?

 

[Sgt Brutus]

More, you can tamper with the ball in game and the well established punishment for it is a 25k fine. It has happened many times. Teams heating up balls and doing other things to them. It's not even a slap on the wrist.

People clamoring for him to be kicked from the league for removing air have no idea what they are talking about. None. Zero. It's just not a big deal in the rules of the NFL.

Now lying and covering up, that's another matter. This is why he's suspended. Has nothing to do with the actual tampering of the balls.

Exactly it's the cover up not the deflation of balls

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Patriots Who?

If anybody ever tried to mention them as a great team.

DQ'ed.

Not in the conversation.

As a Giants Fan, I'm prouder now than ever about those 2 title wins over the Pats

Is there any doubt they cheated in some way in those games? And
And still lost?

Awesome