Is Russell Wilson worth $20m a year?

[NWPATSFAN]

Well, even if what you say is statistically true (and I'm not convnced it is), I'm not sure it's relevant because rushing yards count as rushing yards whether they come from designed runs or off scrambles. Wilson was the 16th leading rusher in the NFL last year and the #1 rusher in the NFL on 3rd down. #1 in ypc also (I'm sure after some minimum number of attempts are factored). So when folks say RW benefits from a "ground game" it just seems to ignore the things he brings himself to said "ground game" because a yard he gains counts just as much as a yard gained by a running back.

OK I'll buy that as an overall stat. I just find it silly to compare a QBs rush yards to that of a dominate power back.

 

[JMR]

OK I'll buy that as an overall stat. I just find it silly to compare a QBs rush yards to that of a dominate power back.

And I say it's silly to ignore RW's rush yards when he has 2/3 as many as the guy being credited as a 1 man ground game. If RW leaves Seattle today, he takes a considerable portion of the "ground game" with him to his new city. And for the record, I'm NOT comparing RW as a runner to Lynch.

 

[SonnyCID]

As I mentioned in a different post. The majority of RWs yards come when he scrambles not designed runs. The defense have their backs to him 20 yards downfield in coverage. Could Brady/Peyton/Rivers do that? No. RW has the speed required to pick up those huge chunks of yards. Not fair comparing hard yards gained by Lynch to Wilsons IMHO.

A lot of Wilsons yards come ZR plays. Which brings up another factor that most dont recognize because its unique in the NFL. And thats the qbs effect on the RB with the ZR. Proper reads often get the RB to the second level by determining lanes. This is another flaw with QBR, which states that the QB has zero impact on any play that he hands off the ball.

 

[JMR]

A lot of Wilsons yards come ZR plays. Which brings up another factor that most dont recognize because its unique in the NFL. And thats the qbs effect on the RB with the ZR. Proper reads often get the RB to the second level by determining lanes. This is another flaw with QBR, which states that the QB has zero impact on any play that he hands off the ball.

Good point. It's also impossible to calculate just how much more room Lynch may have to run because of the defense respecting RW's ability to tuck and go. Few QBs in the league are able to have that type of effect on the running game. None have done it as well as RW over the past 3 seasons.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

And I say it's silly to ignore RW's rush yards when he has 2/3 as many as the guy being credited as a 1 man ground game. If RW leaves Seattle today, he takes a considerable portion of the "ground game" with him to his new city. And for the record, I'm NOT comparing RW as a runner to Lynch.

Sorry this looked like a comparison "Wilson gained 2 yards on the ground for every 3 Lynch gained in 2014. I think you may be overstating Lynch's value just a tad".

 

[NWPATSFAN]

A lot of Wilsons yards come ZR plays. Which brings up another factor that most dont recognize because its unique in the NFL. And thats the qbs effect on the RB with the ZR. Proper reads often get the RB to the second level by determining lanes. This is another flaw with QBR, which states that the QB has zero impact on any play that he hands off the ball.

Got to love stats

 

[JMR]

Sorry this looked like a comparison "Wilson gained 2 yards on the ground for every 3 Lynch gained in 2014. I think you may be overstating Lynch's value just a tad".

It was a comparison of production/value in the department of rushing yards, not a comparison of ability as an NFL RB.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It was a comparison of production/value in the department of rushing yards, not a comparison of ability as an NFL RB.

That was my point as well. We can agree to disagree on how we personally rate yards gained. Maybe we can come up with a new stat? I wouldn't trade Brady for RW but I wish he had half his running ability.

 

[SonnyCID]

Good point. It's also impossible to calculate just how much more room Lynch may have to run because of the defense respecting RW's ability to tuck and go. Few QBs in the league are able to have that type of effect on the running game. None have done it as well as RW over the past 3 seasons.

I think this has a lot do with Lynchs YAC. Often in these ZR plays, he gets to the second level with a head full of steam because Wilson made a good read, then trucks defenders and makes big plays.

 

[Rock Strongo]

well if joe flacco is worth what he got...lol

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Yes...he does...the team accomplishments with him at the helm weigh more than anything else.

The SEA DEF didn't just get to be great...they have been great some time, but needed more from the OFC to get over the hump...He's proven to be the "more" that they needed.

 

[Money]

well if joe flacco is worth what he got...lol

Obsess much???

 

[Rock Strongo]

Obsess much???

no, but i watch football...much?

what an odd way to state that.

 

[Money]

no, but i watch football...much?

what an odd way to state that.

Patsie fans need to stop bringing Flacco up in every single thread.

 

[gowazzu02]

RW is not your "normal" qb, if you judge him by the same metrics that make Manning and Brady great then no he's not elite. But when you take into account what he brings with his legs and athleticism, the fact that he helps the running game with the ZR. He's never Not won atleast one playoff game a year in his career then he's more then worth 20 million elite or not. Even if you dont believe any of what I said....the fact that Jay Cutlers making what he's making says that RW is worth that and more...

But this rush game argument goes back to the standard anti seattle argument, RW is only good cause of Lynch and the D, Lynch is only good cause of RW, the LOB is only good cause of the pass rush, Sherman is only good cause of ET and Kam, ET and Kam are only good cause of Sherm, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Patsie fans need to stop bringing Flacco up in every single thread.

no, you need to learn to read without getting angry.

 

[Money]

no, you need to learn to read without getting angry.

I never get angry, but thanks for the concern.

 

[Rock Strongo]

"leave my flacco out of this!"

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I see the sentiment by most Seahawks fans is to pay anything RW wants, which is absurd. If the Seahawks cave to Wilson, I'll lose a little respect for them.

They won't cave .. They will pay him about what he should be paid... Look at it this way... Wilson in his first 3 years of pro football has made around 2.2 million .... 2.2 million!!!! He hasn't complained or whined about anything, the man deserves his pay day ... People saying Wilson is being greedy... HELL NO!!!! He's been playing pro football for peanuts the last 3 years ... Less talented QB's are making 100 million all around him and he's not whining about it... He's just ready for his pay day .... Wilson was the 3rd highest paid QB on Seattle's roster last year.... WTF it's insanity ... Jackson made more money sitting on the bench..... LOL

 

[ATL96Steeler]

They won't cave .. They will pay him about what he should be paid... Look at it this way... Wilson in his first 3 years of pro football has made around 2.2 million .... 2.2 million!!!! He hasn't complained or whined about anything, the man deserves his pay day ... People saying Wilson is being greedy... HELL NO!!!! He's been playing pro football for peanuts the last 3 years ... Less talented QB's are making 100 million all around him and he's not whining about it... He's just ready for his pay day .... Wilson was the 3rd highest paid QB on Seattle's roster last year.... WTF it's insanity ... Jackson made more money sitting on the bench..... LOL

I don't think they would be caving either...It's the market we're in today. RW is going to get paid market value...and it will likely be a 100 mil contract...should he be the highest paid?...probably not, and I don't think that's his real objective.

I've said this before...RW in SEA is a win win...I think he will get a suitor on the open market, and of course it only takes one, but idk if there would be 4 or 5 teams willing to pay him a 100 mil.