2025 Rosterbation

[filosofy29]

I like defensive flexibility. Having 2 roster spots of players who can only play 1B and DH (both better at DH) is not a good roster configuration. Even if those two players are our best bats.

While I agree with you 100%, I’d rather have Bryce (if he’s worthy of the DH) and Vlad as 1B/DH with a young guy who could learn then a lot of other combos.

 

[calsnowskier]

While I agree with you 100%, I’d rather have Bryce (if he’s worthy of the DH) and Vlad as 1B/DH with a young guy who could learn then a lot of other combos.

Sure.

But then where do we put Wilmer?

 

[msgkings322]

Sure.

But then where do we put Wilmer?

On a bus out of town?

 

[LHG]

Sure.

But then where do we put Wilmer?

You plan to have the Giants re-sign him after this season?

 

[tzill]

After the 2026 season, Paul Skenes will have three years of Major League service time and will be eligible for arbitration. Barring an extension, Skenes and the Pirates will go through the arbitration process early in 2027, and his salary will take a huge leap that season.

How much of a leap is hard to predict not knowing what numbers Skenes will put up in 2025 and ’26. Remarkably, the first-time arbitration record for a starting pitcher remains Dallas Keuchel's $7.25MM from 2015, though prior to that Tim Lincecum topped $10MM as the midpoint between his $13MM filing figure and the Giants’ $8MM. Clayton Kershaw had a midpoint of $8.25MM once as well. But the first-time starting pitcher arbitration market is not one that moves easily.

 

[LHG]

After the 2026 season, Paul Skenes will have three years of Major League service time and will be eligible for arbitration. Barring an extension, Skenes and the Pirates will go through the arbitration process early in 2027, and his salary will take a huge leap that season.

How much of a leap is hard to predict not knowing what numbers Skenes will put up in 2025 and ’26. Remarkably, the first-time arbitration record for a starting pitcher remains Dallas Keuchel's $7.25MM from 2015, though prior to that Tim Lincecum topped $10MM as the midpoint between his $13MM filing figure and the Giants’ $8MM. Clayton Kershaw had a midpoint of $8.25MM once as well. But the first-time starting pitcher arbitration market is not one that moves easily.

Is that when the Giants pick him up from the Pirates in a lop sided trade just so the Pirates can keep from paying him? Or is that when the Pirates non-tender him and the Giants get into a bidding war for his services, setting a new record for a free agent deal for a non tendered player?

 

[tzill]

Is that when the Giants pick him up from the Pirates in a lop sided trade just so the Pirates can keep from paying him? Or is that when the Pirates non-tender him and the Giants get into a bidding war for his services, setting a new record for a free agent deal for a non tendered player?

/gameshow buzzer sound/

Incorrect! That's when the doyers/yankass trade from their well stocked farm system to acquire him at the trade deadline.

 

[LHG]

/gameshow buzzer sound/

Incorrect! That's when the doyers/yankass trade from their well stocked farm system to acquire him at the trade deadline.

Thanks for popping my bubble!

 

[calsnowskier]

/gameshow buzzer sound/

Incorrect! That's when the doyers/yankass trade from their well stocked farm system to acquire him at the trade deadline.

 

[tzill]

Thinking about the alternate universe where Carlos Correa passed his physical and the Giants still had him for 11 more years. Correa is entering his age-30 season; Willy Adames entering age-29. Adames' deal vs. what Correa's would've been:
Adames: 7/$182M
Correa: 11/$296.2M

bullet dodged.

 

[calsnowskier]

Thinking about the alternate universe where Carlos Correa passed his physical and the Giants still had him for 11 more years. Correa is entering his age-30 season; Willy Adames entering age-29. Adames' deal vs. what Correa's would've been:
Adames: 7/$182M
Correa: 11/$296.2M

bullet dodged.

Greatest move FZ ever made (putting the kibosh on that deal)

 

[LHG]

After the 2026 season, Paul Skenes will have three years of Major League service time and will be eligible for arbitration. Barring an extension, Skenes and the Pirates will go through the arbitration process early in 2027, and his salary will take a huge leap that season.

How much of a leap is hard to predict not knowing what numbers Skenes will put up in 2025 and ’26. Remarkably, the first-time arbitration record for a starting pitcher remains Dallas Keuchel's $7.25MM from 2015, though prior to that Tim Lincecum topped $10MM as the midpoint between his $13MM filing figure and the Giants’ $8MM. Clayton Kershaw had a midpoint of $8.25MM once as well. But the first-time starting pitcher arbitration market is not one that moves easily.

And now I know that you are also a MLBTR insider. Just read the MLB Mailbag they sent out yesterday.

 

[tzill]

Baggs projected roster, from The Athletic today:

P: Webb, JV, Ray, Hicks, Roupp
BP: Walker, Rogers, Doval, Miller, Hjelle, RanRod, Romero, Trivino
C: Bailey, Huff
IF: LWJ, Fitz, Adames, Chappy, Flowers, Wise
OF: JHL, Ramos, Yaz, Matos, Carny

 

[msgkings322]

Baggs projected roster, from The Athletic today:

P: Webb, JV, Ray, Hicks, Roupp
BP: Walker, Rogers, Doval, Miller, Hjelle, RanRod, Romero, Trivino
C: Bailey, Huff
IF: LWJ, Fitz, Adames, Chappy, Flowers, Wise
OF: JHL, Ramos, Yaz, Matos, Carny

Eh….84-85 wins?

 

[LHG]

Baggs projected roster, from The Athletic today:

P: Webb, JV, Ray, Hicks, Roupp
BP: Walker, Rogers, Doval, Miller, Hjelle, RanRod, Romero, Trivino
C: Bailey, Huff
IF: LWJ, Fitz, Adames, Chappy, Flowers, Wise
OF: JHL, Ramos, Yaz, Matos, Carny

Interesting that he had Trivino and Romero over Bivens. I understand if neither Harrison nor Birdsong make the team that they'd start in AAA. I don't see a reason for either to be in the bullpen (yet). Still think Harrison will get the nod at the 5th spot, even with a bad spring.

 

[calsnowskier]

Baggs projected roster, from The Athletic today:

P: Webb, JV, Ray, Hicks, Roupp
BP: Walker, Rogers, Doval, Miller, Hjelle, RanRod, Romero, Trivino
C: Bailey, Huff
IF: LWJ, Fitz, Adames, Chappy, Flowers, Wise
OF: JHL, Ramos, Yaz, Matos, Carny

Is Harry mid-crash?

 

[sf1giantfan]

Eh….84-85 wins?

With our infield getting better and hopefully Lee a full season I expect 2-3 wins over .500 at least.

 

[msgkings322]

With our infield getting better and hopefully Lee a full season I expect 2-3 wins over .500 at least.

Yeah so 84 wins

 

[stanford the manford]

Yeah so 84 wins

Yipee!

 

[msgkings322]

Yipee!

4 win improvement

I mean, there is a 'best case scenario' where JHL is a fringe all star and Ramos stays one and Adames produces and Verlander gives you 28 starts and 170 quality innings and Ray and etc etc...they could win 90

There's a worst case too, no need to dwell on that. Reasonable guess, 84-85 wins