deanpet21
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Again - who the fuck cares? Why are you so desperate to be rt or have people agree w/ you? Louis Riddick agreed w/ you - so what?
just explaining myself not desperate to be right
Again - who the fuck cares? Why are you so desperate to be rt or have people agree w/ you? Louis Riddick agreed w/ you - so what?
Mike Jones from the Washington Post:
"First, take everything that comes out of Allen’s mouth with a grain of salt. Just because there was no formal counteroffer doesn’t mean there weren’t back-and-forth discussions between McCartney and the Redskins. There were. Lots of them. Virtually six months of negotiations. Remember how in June the spin out of Redskins camp was that talks had taken a positive turn. Things can’t be described as positive if one side isn’t doing any talking. Even top negotiator Eric Schaffer said in late June that there were lots of back-and-forth talks and proposals between him and McCartney. The agent made it clear where he saw Cousins’s worth, but also relayed that his client wanted more time to see the direction the Redskins are headed. And if the Redskins weren’t willing to sweeten their deal and do what they could to give Cousins greater long-term peace of mind — in this case, guarantee some of his salary in the years beyond next season — there was no point in making an official counteroffer."
So how does one engage in "lots of back and forth talks and proposals" in June without ever addressing the original proposal from May? Once again, Bruce Allen blatantly lied. He really does believe that we are all idiots that would believe this line without investigating further with facts and statements readily available? He was partially right, however. There are a few that do believe this lie because they are too lazy to actually investigate the facts or because it fits their narrative that somehow KC is just being greedy and that is what has hosed this franchise at this point.
perhaps you and your boy Riddick should have looked at this . maybe that experienced journalist cooley too
proving your damn point EH ?
Mike Jones from the Washington Post:
"First, take everything that comes out of Allen’s mouth with a grain of salt. Just because there was no formal counteroffer doesn’t mean there weren’t back-and-forth discussions between McCartney and the Redskins. There were. Lots of them. Virtually six months of negotiations. Remember how in June the spin out of Redskins camp was that talks had taken a positive turn. Things can’t be described as positive if one side isn’t doing any talking. Even top negotiator Eric Schaffer said in late June that there were lots of back-and-forth talks and proposals between him and McCartney. The agent made it clear where he saw Cousins’s worth, but also relayed that his client wanted more time to see the direction the Redskins are headed. And if the Redskins weren’t willing to sweeten their deal and do what they could to give Cousins greater long-term peace of mind — in this case, guarantee some of his salary in the years beyond next season — there was no point in making an official counteroffer."
So how does one engage in "lots of back and forth talks and proposals" in June without ever addressing the original proposal from May? Once again, Bruce Allen blatantly lied. He really does believe that we are all idiots that would believe this line without investigating further with facts and statements readily available? He was partially right, however. There are a few that do believe this lie because they are too lazy to actually investigate the facts or because it fits their narrative that somehow KC is just being greedy and that is what has hosed this franchise at this point.
no i will just use this one , you know , the actual facts
see above
yeah his nfl experience sure as fuck forgot this above i have posted . your boy cooley too bunch of pedestrian mouth pieces
yeah , look where that got you sheep boy
and both cooley annd riddick were wrong just like you
yeah one is a former employee looking for a good reference and the other smeared an innocent man to save his radio gig
this is why you get insulted dean . you never admit you are wrong , you take opinion as fact and when questioned you deflect , get amnesia , or hand out an emicicon when you have no response
OMFG!!!
Training camp start already.
Lord let us forget about Cousins contract, Bruce Allen will prove he is a Vinny Cerrato upgrade all on his own.
We need some actual football news to bitch about already.
IM not even religious and IM actually praying to just get to a point where its about football, and not how dysfunctional our front office is.
and that has nothing to do with the questions i asked that you quoted . what do you think they talked about MITZ ? do you believe that no numbers , no offers , no counter offers were made in any meetings at all ? are you trying to sell me that ? what exactly did they talk about mitz ?
well my above post tells that in addition to the taco bell menu they swapped proposalsI think they talked about God, family, country and his contract offer. And, just how awesome the nacho cheese chalupa is at Taco Bell...just had one, would have to agree.
well my above post tells that in addition to the taco bell menu they swapped proposals
shark i truly hope you find your salvation in jesus (not mesus LOL) i pray to my lord and savior that you find peace and comfort in his word , that you accept him into your heart and be enveloped in the holy spirit , and our lord jesus christ lifts this huge burden of the contract negotiations from your tortured soul and you find peace in Florida . ...... amen
there shark because i love you and i want your soul saved so we both can be in heaven where redskins always stomp cowboys and KC is the starter on heavens team and dan snyder is the toilet scrubber in hell with SM as his boss
JESUS BE PRAISED !!!!!!
jesus, dad i know we want the same thing here. like you, and many others here, i'm a die-hard skins fan and only want the best for this franchise that i have devoted more than 40+ years supporting. have i felt over the years i didn't know the whole truth about what was going on in the organization, and felt a little pissed of about it? of course i have, especially since we now have the internet and social media to feed the fire within.
i bought a pair of skechers "shape ups" back in the day that i was told by the company would shape me up while i walked. It was a blatant BS lie, but good for the success of the company. I still buy skechers to this day, the golf shoes are the bomb!
take a deep breath dad, sometimes things are not what they appear to be.
no problem dude , i was thinking of taking up preaching but alas i have to foul a mouthDad.. First thank you. I guess i should clear that up, Im not a religious man. But I do believe in my own way.
no problem dude , i was thinking of taking up preaching but alas i have to foul a mouth
i am not saying anything is fact except this
Mike Jones from the Washington Post
Even top negotiator Eric Schaffer said in late June that there were lots of back-and-forth talks and proposals between him and McCartney. The agent made it clear where he saw Cousins’s worth, but also relayed that his client wanted more time to see the direction the Redskins are headed. And if the Redskins weren’t willing to sweeten their deal and do what they could to give Cousins greater long-term peace of mind — in this case, guarantee some of his salary in the years beyond next season — there was no point in making an official counteroffer.
And this is why some have said you have preconceived biases against KC. I've asked this of you before and got no answer so I'll ask it again. What specifically has KC or his agent done, or not done, to drive you to your belief that he has any fault at all in this mess?Serious question, Did Mcartney say this?? Or is this the opinion of Jones? It almost reads like the latter. Anyhow...
I never denied there were some convos...maybe it was more than I thought. But nothing you say or post is going to convince me that KCs camp doesn't have some fault in this. IMO, Dude has his eye on the door and unless he gets the money he wants, AND the staff/FO he wants...he prolly gone. He has huge leverage and he knows it.
Looks like you were more right on this one than I was dad. You happy? But do you really have to post this article 5-6 different times. For someone who gives Dean so much hell for that kinda stuff, you sure are beating your chest on this one.
the evidence is incontrovertible. and its ok he has a bias , just sack up and admit itAnd this is why some have said you have preconceived biases against KC. I've asked this of you before and got no answer so I'll ask it again. What specifically has KC or his agent done, or not done, to drive you to your belief that he has any fault at all in this mess?
I get that VT doesn't think KC is really worth the contract he is going to get. He has said that many times. I disagree but respect his right to his opinion. What I don't understand is how he sees KC has any culpability in this mess we find ourselves. What, specifically, has he or his agent done??? He still hasn't answered that question. I think we all know why. Because they actually haven't done anything.the evidence is incontrovertible. and its ok he has a bias , just sack up and admit it
whenever you jump on the bad and refuse to hear the good it says it all anyway
I get that VT doesn't think KC is really worth the contract he is going to get. He has said that many times. I disagree but respect his right to his opinion. What I don't understand is how he sees KC has any culpability in this mess we find ourselves. What, specifically, has he or his agent done??? He still hasn't answered that question. I think we all know why. Because they actually haven't done anything.
I get that VT doesn't think KC is really worth the contract he is going to get. He has said that many times. I disagree but respect his right to his opinion. What I don't understand is how he sees KC has any culpability in this mess we find ourselves. What, specifically, has he or his agent done??? He still hasn't answered that question. I think we all know why. Because they actually haven't done anything.
the evidence is incontrovertible. and its ok he has a bias , just sack up and admit it
whenever you jump on the bad and refuse to hear the good it says it all anyway
Exactly. Kirk has done nothing to deserve the contract he is asking for IMO. Now before you or anybody else chimes in talking about "market value" and "worth" and "One time Pro Bowl QB"..blah blah blah, let me admit, he is a good QB, worth some good money, but not elite, not sure he ever will be.
No one player is bigger than the organization. The Skins have been there before Kirk and they will be there when he is gone. Sure, there have been some major mess-ups by the FO in this whole debacle, and I don't necessarily think Kirk has done wrong in many instances, but KC and his camp have drawn a line in the sand that he feels is the floor. Admittedly so has Bruce (ceiling).
Now, I don't give a shit about tag numbers this year and next..what he is supposed to paid this year + 2 years on top of that ...blah blah blah. KC and his camp has said that our number is A, the FO has said our number is C, and its BOTH of their faults that they cannot get to number B. BOTH parties faults. Neither side has tried hard enough. Now what number is more realistic and fair for both parties ... that's subjective and up for debate (we've been doing it ad nauseum for months now. Both parties have the right to dig their feets in the sand and have obviously done so.. As Stymie pointed out perfectly, the Washington Redskins franchise is a business. Kirk Cousins LLC is a contractor. It isn't personal as some of you make it out to be. Which leads me to my next post....
Frankly, I don't personally give two shits about Kirk Cousins, Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen, RG3, or any other of the rest of 'em that I don't personally know. I have admitted multiple times that even though I'm not sure he has accomplished enough to be the highest paid QB in the game, that KC has been lowballed (per the market). Simply put, there have been things that haven't been done right by the FO. But, as idiotic as I am sure you think I am, I tend to see the other side, the FO side, of things too. If I was the boss of the company, and some young hot shot had done very good job for me for a TWO year, and then walked up into MY office DEMANDING more money when I felt he was being paid very very well to begin with...or he would walk. I would probably have a little bit of a problem with that.
I don't think I am bias ... just looking at both sides of the story. There are certainly things that the FO could have done better, but if you are buying that KC and his camp aren't playing their game a little bit too, then you are naive.
If that makes me bias..then so be it. I admit it. I sacked up...
Now, Are you going to admit that you may be bias to a fault as well?? That anything that anyone in the FO does that doesn't agree with what YOU think is the right thing to do, are complete and utter fucking idiots. Last I checked they are getting paid BIG money to make BIG decisions in that organization. Some have been doing it for a long time, and with some ups and downs wrt the success they have had in different places.
Exactly. Kirk has done nothing to deserve the contract he is asking for IMO. Now before you or anybody else chimes in talking about "market value" and "worth" and "One time Pro Bowl QB"..blah blah blah, let me admit, he is a good QB, worth some good money, but not elite, not sure he ever will be.
No one player is bigger than the organization. The Skins have been there before Kirk and they will be there when he is gone. Sure, there have been some major mess-ups by the FO in this whole debacle, and I don't necessarily think Kirk has done wrong in many instances, but KC and his camp have drawn a line in the sand that he feels is the floor. Admittedly so has Bruce (ceiling).
Now, I don't give a shit about tag numbers this year and next..what he is supposed to paid this year + 2 years on top of that ...blah blah blah. KC and his camp has said that our number is A, the FO has said our number is C, and its BOTH of their faults that they cannot get to number B. BOTH parties faults. Neither side has tried hard enough. Now what number is more realistic and fair for both parties ... that's subjective and up for debate (we've been doing it ad nauseum for months now. Both parties have the right to dig their feets in the sand and have obviously done so.. As Stymie pointed out perfectly, the Washington Redskins franchise is a business. Kirk Cousins LLC is a contractor. It isn't personal as some of you make it out to be. Which leads me to my next post....
Frankly, I don't personally give two shits about Kirk Cousins, Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen, RG3, or any other of the rest of 'em that I don't personally know. I have admitted multiple times that even though I'm not sure he has accomplished enough to be the highest paid QB in the game, that KC has been lowballed (per the market). Simply put, there have been things that haven't been done right by the FO. But, as idiotic as I am sure you think I am, I tend to see the other side, the FO side, of things too. If I was the boss of the company, and some young hot shot had done very good job for me for a TWO year, and then walked up into MY office DEMANDING more money when I felt he was being paid very very well to begin with...or he would walk. I would probably have a little bit of a problem with that.
I don't think I am bias ... just looking at both sides of the story. There are certainly things that the FO could have done better, but if you are buying that KC and his camp aren't playing their game a little bit too, then you are naive.
If that makes me bias..then so be it. I admit it. I sacked up...
Now, Are you going to admit that you may be bias to a fault as well?? That anything that anyone in the FO does that doesn't agree with what YOU think is the right thing to do, are complete and utter fucking idiots. Last I checked they are getting paid BIG money to make BIG decisions in that organization. Some have been doing it for a long time, and with some ups and downs wrt the success they have had in different places.
Oops. I forgot.
KC did not come barging into his bosses office demanding a pay raise.
KC's contract was expiring and his boss wanted to make an offer. His boss, Allen overruled him.
Then KC's contract expired. The collectively bargained agreement said the Redskins could retain the rights of KC on a single year contract if KC signed it or a LTD was reached. Again, KC was willing to sign a LTD but once again, Allen said no. Prove it.
So that contract expired after KC did prove it. The collectively bargained agreement said the Redskins could again retain the rights to KC at a specified price on a one year deal or reach a LTD. The Redskins chose not to give a serious offer and KC this time stated he was willing to just play on the tag.
Next year, KC will again be tagged at a collectively bargained price on a one year deal with stipulations depending on which tag is used. It will likely be the transition tag and we will find out exactly what the market value is for his services. He may choose to just play on the tag again or go elsewhere.