I think Palmer just took the lead for MVP

[Money]

And the panthers struggling after Stewart went down and teams held Ginn and Olson in check is a coincidence? But Cam is the reason Carolina has had success

Nice 1-game sample to prove your point. I can come up with a 1-game sample myself where the offense wasn't affected at all by the loss of Stewart.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

You are saying Carolina's offense struggled against the Giants? Also, Cam had an incredible 4th Q passer rating (best in the league if I'm not mistaken) up until this past Sunday. Now because of one game you are going to label him a choker???

I can take or leave Cam. It's pretty obvious, however, that most people arguing against Cam simply don't like the dude.

Ginn and Olson carried the game vs the Giants. And Carolina had to resort to A childish act with a baseball bat to get past the giants

 

[Money]

I'm not crazy about the dude because of his antics but 41 tds and a big reason his team his 14-1. If I was a a Homer i would say Brady cause he still has the best stats, even with his no#1 and #receiver out. Now if Palmer has a huge game 16 and Cam falls on his face, then can see Carson winning it

Agreed. I probably wouldn't have an issue with Palmer winning the award if this scenario plays out.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

I'm not crazy about the dude because of his antics but 41 tds and a big reason his team his 14-1. If I was a a Homer i would say Brady cause he still has the best stats, even with his no#1 and #receiver out. Now if Palmer has a huge game 16 and Cam falls on his face, then can see Carson winning it

Cam has no weapons sonny

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Nice 1-game sample to prove your point. I can come up with a 1-game sample myself where the offense wasn't affected at all by the loss of Stewart.

So you're saying Carolinas struggles had nothing to do with Stewarts absence. Or you are really stretching on crediting Cam for Stewarts success? If thats the case Payne should be on par with Stewart

 

[Money]

Ginn and Olson carried the game vs the Giants. And Carolina had to resort to A childish act with a baseball bat to get past the giants

Do you have any idea how many yards and TDs Ginn has actually cost Cam this year??? His drops are legendary.

It's obvious in your posts that you have a strong dislike for Cam. That's all well and good, but it pretty much makes having this argument not worth it.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Agreed. I probably wouldn't have an issue with Palmer winning the award if this scenario plays out.

Of course you wouldnt. Palmer is going up agains a 9-6 Seattle team that will be in the playoffs. While scam is going up against the 6-9 Buccs

 

[sonnyblack65]

Cam has no weapons sonny

Cam losing Benjamin is like Brady losing Edelman. Now both Stewart and Blount both out, I honestly can't name 1 receiver on the Panthers team except for TE Olson, he is a beast and of course on D you have Kuechly, maybe 2nd best defensive guy after JJ, Jared Allen and Norman. Only good game anyone had against him was Julio, he made him his bitch on Sunday, but the dude was classy about it, different guy than vs ODB

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Do you have any idea how many yards and TDs Ginn has actually cost Cam this year??? His drops are legendary.

It's obvious in your posts that you have a strong dislike for Cam. That's all well and good, but it pretty much makes having this argument not worth it.

Ginn has 10 receiving TDs dropped balls are moot. Its [art of the game. Palmers stats go up on drops too. But Cam has no weapons

 

[sonnyblack65]

Do you have any idea how many yards and TDs Ginn has actually cost Cam this year??? His drops are legendary.

It's obvious in your posts that you have a strong dislike for Cam. That's all well and good, but it pretty much makes having this argument not worth it.

He reminds me of D Thomas for Denver #88 drops the easy passes and makes the hard ctaches. Same with Ginn, he made 2 great TD grabs the week before hot or cold and no in between. Lafell is just cold for NE 6 drops in 1 game alone

 

[sonnyblack65]

Ginn has 10 receiving TDs dropped balls are moot. Its [art of the game. Palmers stats go up on drops too. But Cam has no weapons

What Palmer has in Az reminds me what Peyton had a few years back as far as offensive weapons Fitz, Floyd, Brown,Johnson etc

 

[Money]

Ginn has 10 receiving TDs dropped balls are moot. Its [art of the game. Palmers stats go up on drops too. But Cam has no weapons

Okay...I can't discuss this anymore with you. I hope you find a way to deal when "scam" wins the award.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Cam losing Benjamin is like Brady losing Edelman. Now both Stewart and Blount both out, I honestly can't name 1 receiver on the Panthers team except for TE Olson, he is a beast and of course on D you have Kuechly, maybe 2nd best defensive guy after JJ, Jared Allen and Norman. Only good game anyone had against him was Julio, he made him his bitch on Sunday, but the dude was classy about it, different guy than vs ODB

Olson is a huge threat and mismatch. But Its hard to ignore Ginn at 739 receiving yards with 10 td receptions. Cam isn't dealing with scraps. The only pats receiver above ginn is gronk So I guess Brady should get more credit. Im bumping him up to 2nd behind Palmer

 

[molsaniceman]

Ginn has 10 receiving TDs dropped balls are moot. Its [art of the game. Palmers stats go up on drops too. But Cam has no weapons

Ginn 10 >>>>>>>>>>>> fitzgerald 8 Who knew

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Okay...I can't discuss this anymore with you. I hope you find a way to deal when "scam" wins the award.

I'll be fine. But I may be more concerned with the way you deal with $cam being bounced in his first playoff game

 

[sonnyblack65]

Olson is a huge threat and mismatch. But Its hard to ignore Ginn at 739 receiving yards with 10 td receptions. Cam isn't dealing with scraps. The only pats receiver above ginn is gronk So I guess Brady should get more credit. Im bumping him up to 2nd behind Palmer

Then why do you have Palmer above Brady? Brady has more tds. more yards, less int with less. But Palmer and cam are running neck and neck, good to see new blood win an MVP Brady already has

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Ginn 10 >>>>>>>>>>>> fitzgerald 8 Who knew

The media is hyping cam like he's still in the SEC. the truth is in the actual stats. But you have to do the work. But Cam is A nice story

 

[Money]

I'll be fine. But I may be more concerned with the way you deal with $cam being bounced in his first playoff game

Really couldn't care less if he is. As I stated before...I can take or leave Cam and Panthers.

 

[sonnyblack65]

I just hope whoever earns it deserves it. Brees and pains me to say River's got robbed one year each because of popularity votes

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Then why do you have Palmer above Brady? Brady has more tds. more yards, less int with less. But Palmer and cam are running neck and neck, good to see new blood win an MVP Brady already has

Its close between Palmer and Brady so i had to go to the tiebreaker USC>Michigan