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I think Pujols is the 2nd greatest 1st baseman of all-time behind Gehrig. He's just on the cusp for top 25 all time and would be on my top 25 of position players.
I guess I probably need to actually grind out a list to comment but I remember seeing lists on the Cardinals to see where Pujols 'pace' was and it was easy top 10 stuff.

Every time I see a baseball greats list, I wonder how much nostalgia kicks in. TJLs list seems pretty close to something I'd make but I'd dock Barry Bonds about 5 spots.
 

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I guess I probably need to actually grind out a list to comment but I remember seeing lists on the Cardinals to see where Pujols 'pace' was and it was easy top 10 stuff.

Every time I see a baseball greats list, I wonder how much nostalgia kicks in. TJLs list seems pretty close to something I'd make but I'd dock Barry Bonds about 5 spots.
I'm sure a lot of those "top 10" pace stuff was based on numbers that I don't necessarily value. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. It's not like I saw Cobb or Ruth play.
 
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Pujols was easily on top 10 pace, but that's because no one expected him to slow down at the age of 31 and absolutely shit the bed with the Angels.
 

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I'm sure a lot of those "top 10" pace stuff was based on numbers that I don't necessarily value. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. It's not like I saw Cobb or Ruth play.
I think the lists on here are more modern than some I've seen. Certainly the Hall of Fame is a bit backloaded with older players.

I'd take Pujols over Frank Robinson and probably Jimmie Foxx
 

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I think if Pujols had continued his 2001-2010 pace for another 6-7 years, he could have eventually surpassed Gehrig as the best first baseman of all time.
 

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I think the lists on here are more modern than some I've seen. Certainly the Hall of Fame is a bit backloaded with older players.

I'd take Pujols over Frank Robinson and probably Jimmie Foxx
I'd take Pujols over Foxx as well, I won't argue too much on Frank Robinson. He's at the bottom of my list (and the last position player) and I did say that Pujols was on the cusp of top 25. So that would be splitting hairs
 

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I think if Pujols had continued his 2001-2010 pace for another 6-7 years, he could have eventually surpassed Gehrig as the best first baseman of all time.
6 or 7 years? He would've annihilated the record books. He probably needed about 2 more really solid years to cement his legacy with the all timers imo.
 

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6 or 7 years? He would've annihilated the record books. He probably needed about 2 more really solid years to cement his legacy with the all timers imo.
I said 6-7 more years to surpass Gehrig, who I have as the 14th best player ever. I think he would have been top 10 All-Time with 6-7 more years.

What records are you talking about that he would have annihilated?
 

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I said 6-7 more years to surpass Gehrig, who I have as the 14th best player ever. I think he would have been top 10 All-Time with 6-7 more years.

What records are you talking about that he would have annihilated?
Well, if he had 6-7 years of 40+ HR's, I think he would be number 1 on the all-time HR list, wouldn't he?
 

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toughest part in making these lists is where to put pitchers... all offensive players have the same measurements, but pitchers are just a total different animal...
 

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Well, if he had 6-7 years of 40+ HR's, I think he would be number 1 on the all-time HR list, wouldn't he?
No he would still be 70 home runs short. I said if he continued his pace from 2001-2010. As in, from 2011-2017 if he continued that pace. I'm not saying if he started a 6-7 run NOW at his 2001-2010 rate.
 

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I said 6-7 more years to surpass Gehrig, who I have as the 14th best player ever. I think he would have been top 10 All-Time with 6-7 more years.

What records are you talking about that he would have annihilated?
Most MVPs would certainly be in play though you could argue that isnt a real stat.

Pujols avg is getting dragged down by .60 and his OPS is way down. He wouldn't be breaking records exactly so you have a point but he'd be showing up everywhere.
 

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Most MVPs would certainly be in play though you could argue that isnt a real stat.

Pujols avg is getting dragged down by .60 and his OPS is way down. He wouldn't be breaking records exactly so you have a point but he'd be showing up everywhere.
I doubt he would have gotten 4 more MVPs. He certainly could have beaten out Braun in 2011 with another typical Pujols year. He was 5th anyway and was showing his first signs of decline. He only won 3 in 10 years when he was a dominant player so it's very hard to win 4 in the next 6-7 years.

Yeah his numbers have certainly been dragged down. At the end of the 2010 season he was 7th in career OPS+ (still 7 points behind Gehrig's career total with 600 fewer games). Maybe it would have been 5 years at that pace to surpass Gehrig, and 6-7 to move into top 10.

And yes, he is really already showing up everywhere as far as counting stats. Being on the cusp of top 25 players of all time is no small task. He's top 20 in RBI (good chance to finish top 5) and top 10 in HR (also good chance to finish top 5). Even in his decline, he's still averaging 33/110 per 162. But I'm not too focused on those stats. It's the rest of his game that he didn't maintain that is taking a hit and why he didn't reach that top 10 that he could have.
 

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I doubt he would have gotten 4 more MVPs. He certainly could have beaten out Braun in 2011 with another typical Pujols year. He was 5th anyway and was showing his first signs of decline. He only won 3 in 10 years when he was a dominant player so it's very hard to win 4 in the next 6-7 years.

Yeah his numbers have certainly been dragged down. At the end of the 2010 season he was 7th in career OPS+ (still 7 points behind Gehrig's career total with 600 fewer games). Maybe it would have been 5 years at that pace to surpass Gehrig, and 6-7 to move into top 10.

And yes, he is really already showing up everywhere as far as counting stats. Being on the cusp of top 25 players of all time is no small task. He's top 20 in RBI (good chance to finish top 5) and top 10 in HR (also good chance to finish top 5). Even in his decline, he's still averaging 33/110 per 162. But I'm not too focused on those stats. It's the rest of his game that he didn't maintain that is taking a hit and why he didn't reach that top 10 that he could have.
I'm not really commenting on anyone's list too much. Around 25 or so is probably where he belongs give or take a few spots. Its just a real shame that him and Griffey were 2 great players that I got to watch and neither really hit the scale of legends.

I can't make a list. Every time I put Roger Clemens ahead of a player I like it just feels wrong.
 

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I'm not really commenting on anyone's list too much. Around 25 or so is probably where he belongs give or take a few spots. Its just a real shame that him and Griffey were 2 great players that I got to watch and neither really hit the scale of legends.

I can't make a list. Every time I put Roger Clemens ahead of a player I like it just feels wrong.
I am not a big Clemens fan because I was a heart broken kid when he posted his best year right after leaving Boston. But I can't deny he's one of the greatest players of all time and should be a HOFer.
 

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I am not a big Clemens fan because I was a heart broken kid when he posted his best year right after leaving Boston. But I can't deny he's one of the greatest players of all time and should be a HOFer.
I can't get over the idea that without PEDs, he might have been a bum by the time he got to Houston and the Astros were the big rival back then. Probably not too terribly different than how you feel about his time on the Yankees except without the possible betrayal feeling.

I just can't put him top 15. Maybe somewhere lower to recognize that he won a lot and was a great player but he is just too much of an ahole.
 

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I can't get over the idea that without PEDs, he might have been a bum by the time he got to Houston and the Astros were the big rival back then. Probably not too terribly different than how you feel about his time on the Yankees except without the possible betrayal feeling.

I just can't put him top 15. Maybe somewhere lower to recognize that he won a lot and was a great player but he is just too much of an ahole.
I don't care about PEDs. Even the first year of testing Clemens had one of his best seasons of his career.
 

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1. Babe Ruth

2. Barry Bonds

3. Willie Mays

4. Ty Cobb

5. Hank Aaron

6. Walter Johnson

7. Ken Griffey Jr

8. Rogers Hornsby

9. Alex Rodriguez

10. Ted Williams

11. Lou Gehrig

12. Christy Mathewson

13. Honus Wagner

14. Stan Musial

15. Joe DiMaggio

16. Greg Maddux

17. Bob Gibson

18. Jimmie Foxx

19. Randy Johnson

20. Frank Robinson

21. Nolan Ryan

22. Mickey Mantle

23. Albert Pujols

24. Johnny Bench

25. Mike Trout
 

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1. Babe Ruth

2. Barry Bonds

3. Willie Mays

4. Ty Cobb

5. Hank Aaron

6. Walter Johnson

7. Ken Griffey Jr Too high

8. Rogers Hornsby

9. Alex Rodriguez

10. Ted Williams Too low

11. Lou Gehrig

12. Christy Mathewson

13. Honus Wagner

14. Stan Musial

15. Joe DiMaggio Career not long enough

16. Greg Maddux

17. Bob Gibson

18. Jimmie Foxx

19. Randy Johnson

20. Frank Robinson

21. Nolan Ryan Not a better pitcher than Tom Seaver, or a number of guys

22. Mickey Mantle

23. Albert Pujols

24. Johnny Bench

25. Mike Trout Way too early
Appreciate the different list. Just a couple that stood out to me.
 

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6 or 7 years? He would've annihilated the record books. He probably needed about 2 more really solid years to cement his legacy with the all timers imo.

My personal opinion on Pujols was that he shipped off to Anaheim and kicked over the can on the way out of town.

For some reason, it seems baseball purists don't have much respect for the Angels. If Pujols had stayed in St. Louis (salary considerations aside) I think his inclusion on the all-time list would have already occurred.
 
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