Who was the most overrated player in NBA History

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Rebounding numbers are so fucking skewed from that era.....just throw them out

All those numbers are skewed because of lack of uniform talent, poor shooting, and volume shots.
The average team in the 1960s took 30% more shots per game than a team in the 1990s

Worse, the standard deviation from average Win Shares is off the charts in the 1960s.
No other decade wandered so far in standard deviation of Win Shares.
It flatlined back to normal once the leagues merged and talent was better distributed in the mid 70s.

but it means in the 1960s a few teams had great player, and the rest of the league were scrubs.
Boston used that to dominate lesser helpless teams.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

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Shit, now I know what I'm watching when the Clippers get bounced...lol

#Delirious > Raw

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

nope

i think he was overated too.

Gobert would turn him inside out.

someone like hakeem? LOL..or Shaq? cmon mehn.

this dude Chester is a 6'6" accountant that plays pickup ball at the local rec....whiter than wonderbread and he would whoop Russells ass

@Shanemansj13

I usually stay away from these debates and defer to the folks with first hand knowledge.

What player in the last 20 years are those guys comparable to?

I would say Wilt/Shaq, Russell/Robinson at best, Ben Wallace at worst?


We don't know if Bill could have shut Shaq down.

But, we know he couldn't stop Wilt.

Bill had better Team success.

But, Wilt was the better player......by a fucking mile.

Based on ESPN Classics games, I would think The Dream would own every one of those guys with that footwork.

* See Shaq and what he did to poor David Robinson...lol

But, Wilt, like Shaq, would get his too.

 

[SJ76]

I usually stay away from these debates and defer to the folks with first hand knowledge.

What player in the last 20 years are those guys comparable to?

I would say Wilt/Shaq, Russell/Robinson at best, Ben Wallace at worst?


We don't know if Bill could have shut Shaq down.

But, we know he couldn't stop Wilt.

Bill had better Team success.

But, Wilt was the better player......by a fucking mile.

Based on ESPN Classics games, I would think The Dream would own every one of those guys with that footwork.

* See Shaq and what he did to poor David Robinson...lol

But, Wilt, like Shaq, would get his too.

Exactly. Wtf do I know about a guy that played before I was born

 

[DorianRo]

Russel was kind of small to be guarding Shaq. What was he like 6'9? Unless you're Rodman and can get in everyone's head, its kind of an uphill battle

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We can only compare players of their era, you can't bring up Russel's size when compared to Shaq. And he was a long ass 6'9" who had pretty good success against a legit 7 footer in Wilt. Sure Wilt has big numbers against him, but they are also way below his average against all the other players he faced.

Personally I think Kareem is underrated as wild as that sounds. Nobody puts him on the Mt Rushmore and that seems strange to me. I got them Wilt, Kareem, then Russell. Again I saw Russel play and it was no accident that his teams won a ton of titles at every level.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Russel was kind of small to be guarding Shaq. What was he like 6'9? Unless you're Rodman and can get in everyone's head, its kind of an uphill battle

Yeah, it might piss people off.

But, he'd be Ben Wallace in today's NBA...imo

Maybe even Dale Davis.

No disrespect intended.

 

[trojanfan12]

Doesn't that sound kind of overrated?

No, just accurate. lol

 

[SJ76]

Russel was kind of small to be guarding Shaq. What was he like 6'9? Unless you're Rodman and can get in everyone's head, its kind of an uphill battle

I like this guy

 

[psaboy]

Barkley, he was turrible.

 

[SJ76]

Turrrible

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Russel was kind of small to be guarding Shaq. What was he like 6'9? Unless you're Rodman and can get in everyone's head, its kind of an uphill battle

Russell was 6'10'' 215lb and had a 7'5'' wingspan. He would play at 230/240 today. He guarded Wilt in 142 games by the way.
Also, who wasn't small guarding Shaq ?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Yeah, it might piss people off.

But, he'd be Ben Wallace in today's NBA...imo

Maybe even Dale Davis.

No disrespect intended.

You don't know dick, or Bill either.
There is a photo of Russell awarding Ben Wallace a DPOTY award. Russell's shoulders were 4'' higher, he is 2'' taller and his arms are at least 6'' longer. Russell is closer to Dwight Howard in size, but Russell has a longer build and he was far faster, quicker and he had infinitely better agility.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Russell was 6'10'' 215lb and had a 7'5'' wingspan. He would play at 230/240 today. He guarded Wilt in 142 games by the way.
Also, who wasn't small guarding Shaq ?

Russell was 215lb as a rookie, he played most of his career around 230lb.
You guys need to watch video and learn something.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

You don't know dick, or Bill either.
There is a photo of Russell awarding Ben Wallace a DPOTY award. Russell's shoulders were 4'' higher, he is 2'' taller and his arms are at least 6'' longer. Russell is closer to Dwight Howard in size, but Russell has a longer build and he was far faster, quicker and he had infinitely better agility.

That's nice.

But, I was talking about his game, not his height.

Imo, He was a defensive player and great rebounder like a Dikembe Mutumbo.

Not a offensive juggernaut like Wilt and Shaq.

Ps. Believe me, I know Dick. I am intimately, and skillfully, acquainted with Dick.

Russell was 215lb as a rookie, he played most of his career around 230lb.

You guys need to watch video and learn something.

Sorry, If I wanted to study ancient information, I'd turn to the History Channel.

Based on my limited knowledge, which I expressed in my very first post on this subject, we will never know if he could, or couldn't, dominate in this era.

I don't agree with you and that is my prerogative.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

That's nice.

But, I was talking about his game, not his height.

Imo, He was a defensive player and great rebounder like a Dikembe Mutumbo.

Not a offensive juggernaut like Wilt and Shaq.

Ps. Believe me, I know Dick. I am intimately, and skillfully, acquainted with Dick.



Sorry, If I wanted to study ancient information, I'd turn to the History Channel.

Based on my limited knowledge, which I expressed in my very first post on this subject, we will never know if he could, or couldn't, dominate in this era.

I don't agree with you and that is my prerogative.

Baaaaaa. you MUST agree with me, it's imperative.
Admit you're wrong.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Baaaaaa. you MUST agree with me, it's imperative.
Admit you're wrong.

Never!

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Theres never been anyone close to being overrated as Steve Nash. 15 and 11 gets you MVP on an uptempo O.
He was also the worst Defender in the entire league.

STEVE NASH, please.

 

[Clayton]

Theres never been anyone close to being overrated as Steve Nash. 15 and 11 gets you MVP on an uptempo O.
He was also the worst Defender in the entire league.

STEVE NASH, please.

I mean, at least he could get out of the first round in a stacked West. That puts him ahead of at least a couple of stars.

He really was one of the 5 best players in the NBA for a couple of seasons

 

[knowyourenemy]

Has anyone said "Lonzo Ball" yet?