Warriors 2.0: from Showtime Lakers to the Spurs

[tlance]

depends

once again- way to go out on a limb

So, you say no chance Curry is top 3?

I say IF Curry plays 75 + games he is most likely top 5 and possibly top 3.

And with so many variables in play only a fool would rule out the possibility of a 2 time MVP likely forced into a heavy workload finishing top 3. Or on the flip side, only a fool would say that he will definitely finish top 3 without any qualifiers. Because like you said, they are an injury away from missing the playoffs.

I am not a fool like people that make those kind of definitive statements.

You know, like:

“I will fly to the moon if JaVAle McGee averages 8 points a game”.

 

[tlance]

That's exactly what my post said.....You claimed they have a playoff roster without Klay and I said if Klay out all year (hence, without Klay) they are far from a lock for the playoffs.

There is a humongous difference between saying a team “has a playoff roster”

And saying a “team is a lock for the playoffs”.

Not even close to the same meaning.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So, you say no chance Curry is top 3?

I say IF Curry plays 75 + games he is most likely top 5 and possibly top 3.

And with so many variables in play only a fool would rule out the possibility of a 2 time MVP likely forced into a heavy workload finishing top 3. Or on the flip side, only a fool would say that he will definitely finish top 3 without any qualifiers. Because like you said, they are an injury away from missing the playoffs.

I am not a fool like people that make those kind of definitive statements.

You know, like:

“I will fly to the moon if JaVAle McGee averages 8 points a game”.

if i was asked to make a prediction i would say no- i dont think Curry will finish top 3.

if i was asked to make sure i wasnt wrong and be a little bitch i would equivocate (better?) and give a bunch of qualifiers and could-be's and what if's

 

[WiggyRuss]

In his hypothetical he said GS has a playoff roster without Klay.

You agree that's a lock?

id give them a better chance than not to make the playoffs this year--- but even if Klay comes back he wont be 100% for quite a while---- whatever his new 100% is.

probably wont be "100%" until next year when you think about it.

 

[dtgold88]

There is a humongous difference between saying a team “has a playoff roster”

And saying a “team is a lock for the playoffs”.

Not even close to the same meaning.

definitely has a playoff roster does not mean you think they definitely make the playoffs (if healthy other than Klay)?

 

[tlance]

if i was asked to make a prediction i would say no- i dont think Curry will finish top 3.

if i was asked to make sure i wasnt wrong and be a little bitch i would equivocate (better?) and give a bunch of qualifiers and could-be's and what if's

Here you go.

Didn’t you just comment a couple pages ago about how you stick to basketball

I swear there is more crying and whining and personal BS than basketball talk on this forum.

I am sure my Warriors posts, just as my Lakers posts and Heat posts will subject me to personal attacks that I will defend- but i start and end with basketball- and apparently that hurts peoples feelings so they lash out.

You are one of the single biggest instigators of personal BS in this entire forum. Prime example quoted above.

 

[tlance]

definitely has a playoff roster does not mean you think they definitely make the playoffs (if healthy other than Klay)?

If they are healthy other than Klay?

Yes.

I think they are a lock.

Big “if” in there however.

Also, IMO, Klay is surely back for the end of the regular season if they are healthy and in playoff contention.

 

[dtgold88]

Here you go.

Didn’t you just comment a couple pages ago about how you stick to basketball



You are one of the single biggest instigators of personal BS in this entire forum. Prime example quoted above.

I agree with this....just own it wiggy.

 

[dtgold88]

If they are healthy other than Klay?

Yes.

I think they are a lock.

Big “if” in there however.

Also, IMO, Klay is surely back for the end of the regular season if they are healthy and in playoff contention.

And that is what I disagreed with. IMO they are no lock to make playoffs without Klay even if they are healthy.

Just as I said to begin with.

 

[tlance]

And that is what I disagreed with. IMO they are no lock to make playoffs without Klay even if they are healthy.

Just as I said to begin with.

Ok.

That is fair.

West is really tough.

Still think the Dubs are a good NBA team (top 10-12) with their opening night roster. Top 5 or 6 with Klay. And I think that gets them in the playoffs if they can stay relatively healthy.

 

[msgkings322]

It is a

In his hypothetical he said GS has a playoff roster without Klay.

You agree that's a lock?

It is a lock Klay will play this year

It is almost a lock the Warriors make the playoffs, barring additional major injury

 

[Black Adam]

So, you say no chance Curry is top 3?

I say IF Curry plays 75 + games he is most likely top 5 and possibly top 3.

And with so many variables in play only a fool would rule out the possibility of a 2 time MVP likely forced into a heavy workload finishing top 3. Or on the flip side, only a fool would say that he will definitely finish top 3 without any qualifiers. Because like you said, they are an injury away from missing the playoffs.

I am not a fool like people that make those kind of definitive statements.

You know, like:

“I will fly to the moon if JaVAle McGee averages 8 points a game”.

Mars, AND cut off a testicle...

 

[Wamu]

True. However, the Spurs 20 year run started because David Robinson had to sit out a season with injury which allowed the Spurs to draft Timmy.

So, the Warrirs got the luck part. Now the question is...can they find the "hidden gems" in the lower part of the draft and/or euro guys like the Spurs did.

Hidden gems? Well the Warriors dun fucked up when they let Patrick McCaw get away. I hope the Celtics pick him up. He's a good luck charm.

#keepingitreal

 

[Wamu]

So, you say no chance Curry is top 3?

I say IF Curry plays 75 + games he is most likely top 5 and possibly top 3.

And with so many variables in play only a fool would rule out the possibility of a 2 time MVP likely forced into a heavy workload finishing top 3. Or on the flip side, only a fool would say that he will definitely finish top 3 without any qualifiers. Because like you said, they are an injury away from missing the playoffs.

I am not a fool like people that make those kind of definitive statements.

You know, like:

“I will fly to the moon if JaVAle McGee averages 8 points a game”.

"I will fly to the moon if JaVale McGee averages 8 points a game"

 

[Black Adam]

Hidden gems? Well the Warriors dun fucked up when they let Patrick McCaw get away. I hope the Celtics pick him up. He's a good luck charm.

#keepingitreal

good for six fouls a game at least...

 

[Black Adam]

"I will fly to the moon if JaVale McGee averages 8 points a game"

not even being a blatant fool will slow WiggityWack down...

 

[Wamu]

good for six fouls a game at least...

Why you bassturd. Take that back or we're gonna fight!

 

[Bart]

So lot to process here in this threat but:

1) Yes the Warriors have committed long term to their big 3, but I believe this was always the plan all along. Even in the huge debates with @WiggyRuss it was conceded that the Warriors may not be able to pay all 4 of their stars long term, but there was hope that in the short term they would stay together for at least another year. Since KD opted to leave, the Warriors had to pivot and honestly it was the safest move for them to lock up those 3. All 3 players will likely be just outside of their primes by the time their new deals expire, so it gives the Warriors flexibility. They will most certainly need to hit on some younger players to go the route of the Spurs model, but come playoff time I believe those three will be the heavy lifters.

2) Honestly the biggest key to the Spurs model was Duncan, Parker and Ginobili. Their conduct on the court and their selfless style of play was able to help them sustain their play. Additionally they were able to take backseats when necessary to younger players and there will likely be a time when that needs to happen for some of the Warriors guys as well.

3) Kerr will need to prove himself again. He transformed the 2015 team, but slowly got away from that each and every year. 2016 he had that back injury that kept him out a significant period of time and he was still affected on the bench with crazy headaches. Then in 2017 they added Durant so he shifted some principles to help incorporate him. It's been a slow downward slide for him on his in game coaching and his strategies, and he'll need to completely reinvent his vision for the current Warriors and the foreseeable future. Pop was able to do that. Kerr has to prove he can do this as well.

4) RC Buford is really someone that people over look when they're assessing the Spurs dynasty. The Warriors will need to replenish their roster and fully utilize their draft picks to maximize the potential run of the Warriors core. Bob Myers needs to show he can hit on these guys and get some value. Because of the Warriors run, he drafted specialists/immediate impact guys, instead of trying to dig a bit deeper. Guys like McCaw, Bell, Evans, Jones, etc were all guys he hoped could just plug and play at various times because he was limited with what he could do in free agency. I get it, but at the same time, it's now put us in a huge hole because none of them worked out. If just one of those players became a starter level player at this juncture, we'd be talking about the Warriors in a much different tone.

TLR

Cliff notes:
Keys will be Core giving way to youth at times, Kerr reinventing the team dynamic, and Bob Myers elevating the talent of the roster.

What's with Golden State fans and long winded posts? Sheesh

 

[msgkings322]

Oh my, I got @Bart all red-faced and mad. I guess I win again.

 

[Bart]

I think there is at least some chance they miss the playoffs in there entirety.

Curry will have to adjust to the load he will have to carry---- if he gets overworked and gets hurt they will definitely miss the playoffs.

I think Russell is a solids player---- but I am always wary of guys that go from being good- to great and all of a sudden get a huge contract.

Plus, Russell is a guy that needs the ball in his hands. Not sure that he is a great fit.

Dont get me wrong- I think Russell is a good player, but i think its only fair to assume some regression to the mean- especially considering he needs the ball in his hands- or at least has in the past.

I feel Russell still has a lot to prove. It feels like a desperate move by GS after losing Durant. I agree, these players with a breakout season getting a huge contact always feels like a potential train wreck. A regression is certainly likely.