Top 10 poll #5: #5 player in history - Final Runoff

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Top 10 poll: #5 player ever

1) Babe Ruth (defeated Willie Mays 23-9) 2) Willie Mays (defeated Barry Bonds 26-11) 3) Ted Williams (defeated Barry Bonds 18-17) 4) Barry Bonds (defeated Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb 20-11-8) Who is the #5 player ever? Vote for your top 3. This poll will close Thursday AM. @navamind @tzill @LHG...

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Top 10 poll #5: #5 player in history - Runoff

https://sportshoop.la/threads/top-10-poll-5-player-ever.342591/ Runoff for #5 player in baseball history. Poll closes on Sunday AM. Vote for one. If a single player does not get 50%+1, we will have another runoff. @navamind @tzill @LHG @Stokes1931 @steveringo @broncosmitty @packerzrule...

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Final runoff for #5 player in baseball history. Poll closes on Wednesday AM. Vote for one.

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[steveringo]

I was just reading the other thread... excellent discussions out there.

Still gotta go Hank Aaron here... my original #3

 

[calsnowskier]

Aaron belongs somewhat high on these lists, but I just don’t see him competing at THIS level. You gotta respect his durability, but he just wasn’t GREAT the way Cobb, Hornsby, Robinson and Henderson were.

As I have said throughout this project, though, if he wins this spot, I am AOK with it. He certainly would not be an embarrassment representative here and certainly has a strong argument for taking this spot.

 

[Clayton]

Aaron belongs somewhat high on these lists, but I just don’t see him competing at THIS level. You gotta respect his durability, but he just wasn’t GREAT the way Cobb, Hornsby, Robinson and Henderson were.

As I have said throughout this project, though, if he wins this spot, I am AOK with it. He certainly would not be an embarrassment representative here and certainly has a strong argument for taking this spot.

It still seems like he is a lock to go 5 or 6. Maybe 7 if somehow people rallied against him.

 

[calsnowskier]

It still seems like he is a lock to go 5 or 6. Maybe 7 if somehow people rallied against him.

I totally agree. Doesn’t mean that matches my OPINION.

 

[Clayton]

I totally agree. Doesn’t mean that matches my OPINION.

I'll admit that I had Aaron at 5 before really digging into this. Honestly still might have him at 8 so if he goes 5 I wont care too much.

 

[calsnowskier]

I'll admit that I had Aaron at 5 before really digging into this. Honestly still might have him at 8 so if he goes 5 I wont care too much.

I still value prolonged peak over straight accumulation, but Aaron’s accumulation is not your garden variety accumulation. But imho, he still belongs lower than Cobb, at least, and probably below guys like Hornsby, Robinson, Henderson and maybe Wagner, Bench and a few others. But his GOAT accumulation needs to be respected.

 

[Clayton]

I still value prolonged peak over straight accumulation, but Aaron’s accumulation is not your garden variety accumulation. But imho, he still belongs lower than Cobb, at least, and probably below guys like Hornsby, Robinson, Henderson and maybe Wagner, Bench and a few others. But his GOAT accumulation needs to be respected.

Im assuming you're talking about Jackie Robinson?

You definitely have an interesting take. I wouldn't have Bench anywhere near Aaron

 

[msgkings322]

Im assuming you're talking about Jackie Robinson?

You definitely have an interesting take. I wouldn't have Bench anywhere near Aaron

Or Robinson (he means Frank I think) or Henderson. I think even by his criteria Aaron comes out ahead. Henderson was kind of an accumulator too. What are the WAR7s for those guys?

 

[msgkings322]

Going to be a close one here

 

[Clayton]

Or Robinson (he means Frank I think) or Henderson. I think even by his criteria Aaron comes out ahead. Henderson was kind of an accumulator too. What are the WAR7s for those guys?

A bit high for Frank, too.

If we're just talking primes then Trout has to be top 10

 

[calsnowskier]

Or Robinson (he means Frank I think) or Henderson. I think even by his criteria Aaron comes out ahead. Henderson was kind of an accumulator too. What are the WAR7s for those guys?

Imho, Henderson is the anti-accumulator. He lasted forever, but the last 7 years or so of his career, he wasn’t an impact player, but he played because he wanted to. But much of his value doesn’t show up on HIS baseball card.

I fully admit, I likely over-rate Henderson. But he played such a unique game, he needs to be judged differently than everyone else.

 

[calsnowskier]

Im assuming you're talking about Jackie Robinson?

You definitely have an interesting take. I wouldn't have Bench anywhere near Aaron

Frank. One of the most underrated players ever.

 

[msgkings322]

A bit high for Frank, too.

If we're just talking primes then Trout has to be top 10

Here's the stats

Career Leaders &amp Records for Wins Above Replacement | Baseball-Reference.com

Career WAR Leaders:1.Babe Ruth+/182.6/10628, 2.Walter Johnson+/166.9/2534, 3.Cy Young+/163.6/3104, 4.Barry Bonds/162.8/12606, 5.Willie Mays+/156.2/12545, 6.Ty Cobb+/151.5/13103, 7.Henry Aaron+/143.1/13941, 8.Roger Clemens/139.2/213, 9.Tris Speaker+/134.9/12020, 10.Honus&nbs

www.baseball-reference.com

Trout does indeed look strong with WAR7

Baseball's All-Time Leaders in WAR7 (Peak WAR), WAR3 and CHWAR

 

[msgkings322]

Imho, Henderson is the anti-accumulator. He lasted forever, but the last 7 years or so of his career, he wasn’t an impact player, but he played because he wanted to. But much of his value doesn’t show up on HIS baseball card.

I fully admit, I likely over-rate Henderson. But he played such a unique game, he needs to be judged differently than everyone else.

That's the fun of these things, not sure I agree but you make a good argument. And the arguments are the fun part.

 

[calsnowskier]

A bit high for Frank, too.

If we're just talking primes then Trout has to be top 10

I have a hard time really ranking active players. There needs to be a little separation to gain perspective, I think.

 

[msgkings322]

By the WAR7 metric Aaron is indeed further down the list, the ultimate accumulator

Baseball's All-Time Leaders in WAR7 (Peak WAR), WAR3 and CHWAR

 

[Robotech]

Okay, you guys convinced me to vote for Cobb. I voted for Aaron in the last vote.

 

[msgkings322]

Okay, you guys convinced me to vote for Cobb. I voted for Aaron in the last vote.

It's a close race, could be decisive!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I still value prolonged peak over straight accumulation, but Aaron’s accumulation is not your garden variety accumulation. But imho, he still belongs lower than Cobb, at least, and probably below guys like Hornsby, Robinson, Henderson and maybe Wagner, Bench and a few others. But his GOAT accumulation needs to be respected.

even peak, there is a difference between a Koufax peak, and having a WAR7 that is dispersed throughout their career...

if i ever make my own stats... i will use the term WAR just because it is known right now, but my WAR would not be the WAR we know...

i would like to do a
WAR- overall career
WAR5- best 5 consecutive years- must be consecutive,
WAR7- best 7 seasons
WARH- only measured in playoff games won, with a bonus for every WS championship...

and then there would be a combination of all 4- similar to JAWS, not sure how i would weigh each 4 categories though...

probably in order

WAR5
WAR7
WARH
WAR