POLL Top 10 poll: #15 player ever

[calsnowskier]

1) Babe Ruth (defeated Willie Mays 23-9)
2) Willie Mays (defeated Barry Bonds 26-11)
3) Ted Williams (defeated Barry Bonds 18-17)
4) Barry Bonds (defeated Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb 20-11-8)
5) Hank Aaron (defeated Ty Cobb 17-16)
6) Ty Cobb (defeated Lou Gehrig 24-9)
7) Lou Gehrig (defeated Walter Johnson 19-10)
8) Mickey Mantle (defeated Walter Johnson 17-12)
9) Walter Johnson (defeated Stan Musial and Rogers Hornsby 18-7-3)
10) Stan Musial (defeated Rogers Hornsby 15-10)
11) Rogers Hornsby (defeated H. Wagner, R. Henderson, M. Schmidt and R. Clemens 15-4-3-2-1)
12) Honus Wagner (defeated Roger Clemens 19-8)
13) Mike Schmidt (defeated Roger Clemens 16-12)
14) Rickey Henderson (defeated Roger Clemens 17-13)

Who is the #14 player ever? This poll will close Tuesday AM.

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[calsnowskier]

Note that this is now a 1-day poll!

 

[Clayton]

Clemens, Speaker, Robinson again

ARod* also in the same tier but not going to waste the vote at this stage. I'm not sure he'll even go top 30.

You could prob sell me on Mathewson, DiMaggio, or Pujols

 

[jarntt]

Joe DiMaggio...was known as the greatest living ball player for like 30 years. On the hoop it's who?

 

[calsnowskier]

Clemens, Speaker, Robinson again

ARod* also in the same tier but not going to waste the vote at this stage. I'm not sure he'll even go top 30.

You could prob sell me on Mathewson, DiMaggio, or Pujols

There are a LOT of people I could be sold on here. I think Clemens is getting more and more separated from the pack as his tier is getting picked off around him.

Clemens is my only CLEAR vote, but I like Frank, Bench, Maddux, Pujols and maybe it is time to start considering Josh.

Should Josh go up before Bench/Yogi?

 

[calsnowskier]

Joe DiMaggio...was known as the greatest living ball player for like 30 years. On the hoop it's who?

According to this poll, it would be Michael Jack?

Or Ted Williams…

 

[LHG]

Clemens, Speaker, Robinson again

ARod* also in the same tier but not going to waste the vote at this stage. I'm not sure he'll even go top 30.

You could prob sell me on Mathewson, DiMaggio, or Pujols

I'm going with Young, Speaker, Clemens again. I really believe that they are the best on the board. A-Rod isn't too far down on my list. I agree with cal, to a point, on guys like him. Yes, he violated clear rules but, for this purpose, I am voting based on who were good ballplayers. Not who followed the rules completely. Pete Rose will get a vote from me eventually but that is a ways from now.

 

[calsnowskier]

I'm going with Young, Speaker, Clemens again. I really believe that they are the best on the board. A-Rod isn't too far down on my list. I agree with cal, to a point, on guys like him. Yes, he violated clear rules but, for this purpose, I am voting based on who were good ballplayers. Not who followed the rules completely. Pete Rose will get a vote from me eventually but that is a ways from now.

Rose (and Jackson) and ARod (and Cano and Ramirez) are different cases. It isn’t the rules, per se, that I am going off of. It is the fact that it caused a different game to be played. Betting doesn’t effect on field statistics in a major way, IMHO.

 

[LHG]

Updated for #12 & #13:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1948-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 3
1914 - 4
1915-1917 - 5
1918-1922 - 4
1923-1927 - 5
1928 - 4
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 2
1938 - 1
1939 - 2
1940 - 1
1941-1947 - 2
1948-1950 - 3
1951-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1985 - 1
1986-1989 - 2
1990-2007 - 1
2007-2024 - 0

Updated for #14 (overrated!):
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1948-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 3
1914 - 4
1915-1917 - 5
1918-1922 - 4
1923-1927 - 5
1928 - 4
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 2
1938 - 1
1939 - 2
1940 - 1
1941-1947 - 2
1948-1950 - 3
1951-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1985 - 2
1986-1989 - 3
1990-2003 - 2
2004-2007 - 1
2007-2024 - 0

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Clemens can suck a dick

 

[msgkings322]

Joe DiMaggio...was known as the greatest living ball player for like 30 years. On the hoop it's who?

He never actually was though. Mays was.

 

[msgkings322]

Clemens, Speaker, Robinson again

ARod* also in the same tier but not going to waste the vote at this stage. I'm not sure he'll even go top 30.

You could prob sell me on Mathewson, DiMaggio, or Pujols

Clemens feels like a lock for this spot

 

[calsnowskier]

Clemens feels like a lock for this spot

He is the only one left from the big #11 vote.

But it seems there are more people who dislike him personally ON TOP OF the stink. This may be the situation that Milk was concerned about with Bonds. That there is enough of an ABRC block that he will never get voted.

 

[Cedrique]

Clemens can suck a dick

I wasn't aware of that but for our purposes we are trying to find the best baseball players. Any skills beyond that should not be considered.

 

[steveringo]

Clemens can suck a dick

You're giving him bonus points for that?

 

[msgkings322]

You're giving him bonus points for that?

Nice

 

[steveringo]

After Rickey's stunning upset, I was expecting to see more Nolan Ryan votes here...

 

[msgkings322]

After Rickey's stunning upset, I was expecting to see more Nolan Ryan votes here...

Rickey is far more deserving

 

[Cedrique]

I started using this tool that I discovered on Baseball Reference (completely on my own by the way-I just figured the shit out) where you can block out the bulk of a player's career and look at their stats for that, while excluding some years at the beginning or end where they may have been learning the trade or just playing for the love of the game. I'm finding for a lot of guys, I'm looking at about 11 seasons. Of course the elite guys like Aaron, Bonds, Mays, Ruth have a few seasons beyond that that are way above average. But when you compare a guy with 10-11 seasons being the meat of his career, Mike Trout matches up very well against all of them, even just including all his partial seasons. (he has declined some, but not that much yet). For example, even with the injury shortened seasons and everything, his WAR per 162 is higher than virtually anyone outside of Babe Ruth or someone. And if you compare him to someone like Joe Dimaggio (Throwing out Joe's first and last season) Trout blows it away. If you consider Dimaggio's whole career it doesn't change too much but it gives Dimaggio about 1000 more plate appearances. Trout has him beat handily in WAR. (Of course there are still other things to consider, like Dimaggio's postseason appearances)

 

[chappee11]

I previously stated that Pedro was the best pitcher that I ever saw. Than i inadvertently proved it in a conversation about Doc Gooden. Check this out:

Seasons with ERA+ over 200:

Clemens-3
Randy-0
Maddux-2
Pedro-5(!)
Seaver-0
Koufax-0
Carlton-0
Ryan-0
Gooden-1

The eyeball test works!