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That was my point, Alabama Jalen 2081, 17 TD's 1 INT, Oklahoma Jalen 3851, 32 TD's 8 INT's

Jalen didn't get better, he just switched to a league that emphasizes big plays, offensively and defensively. His stats reflect the league he was playing in. Just like all the other B12 QB's before him.
ahh yes 2081 was an epic season..
Reason why Jalen had better numbers was because he ran a much better offensive system than he had at Bama. I give Riley more credit for winning with Hurts last season. I know he gave Linc and ou fans headaches last season, yet they were still an offensive juggernaut.
 

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ahh yes 2081 was an epic season..
Reason why Jalen had better numbers was because he ran a much better offensive system than he had at Bama. I give Riley more credit for winning with Hurts last season. I know he gave Linc and ou fans headaches last season, yet they were still an offensive juggernaut.


LOL, you are making my arguments for me, but not smart enough to even notice. Saying the system was better means that every qb before Hurts was also the result of the system, not talent. Let me know when a B12 team makes it to the CFP Championship Game. There is a reason the B12 was the 4 seed in 3 of the 4 times they made it, getting there just means you convinced people you were better than the perceived shittiest conference. The only time you weren't the 4 seed was the year they decided 2 conferences were too shitty to get in...really speaks to the quality of the B12...your slogan could be "We're shitty, but not as shitty as the Pac-12"
 

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That was my point, Alabama Jalen 2081, 17 TD's 1 INT, Oklahoma Jalen 3851, 32 TD's 8 INT's

Jalen didn't get better, he just switched to a league that emphasizes big plays, offensively and defensively. His stats reflect the league he was playing in. Just like all the other B12 QB's before him.
Kind of like Mahomes?
 

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LOL, you are making my arguments for me, but not smart enough to even notice. Saying the system was better means that every qb before Hurts was also the result of the system, not talent. Let me know when a B12 team makes it to the CFP Championship Game. There is a reason the B12 was the 4 seed in 3 of the 4 times they made it, getting there just means you convinced people you were better than the perceived shittiest conference. The only time you weren't the 4 seed was the year they decided 2 conferences were too shitty to get in...really speaks to the quality of the B12...your slogan could be "We're shitty, but not as shitty as the Pac-12"

well shit man who in the country is a better offensive mind than Linc? But the Big 12 had a run with nothing but offensive gurus in the conference.. But maybe you are correct Mahomes, Baker, Grier, Rudolph, Boykin, Sam, Murray, Stidham, etc didn't have the talent either.

But what do I know, I'm sure the buzzsaw of SEC qbs in 2018 would do horrible things to Big 12 defenses week in week out.
 

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Kind of like Mahomes?
My whole point was that the QB play of the Big 12 was better than anywhere else and to defend them and the way they were being used was much harder than any other conference. It's like people think the conference doesn't "care" about defense. Solid to great defensive coordinators look below par competing in the Big 12.. Patterson was thought of as a defensive wizard (still is) and he got bodied by Briles and the Veer and shoot.

Hell even the best DC in the country today (arguably) at Clemson left ou after getting lit up a few times. To this day I feel he saw the writing on the wall before he left.

Even the NFL and a few SEC schools have began copying Iowa St 3-2-6 (1-5) defense to counter the air raid offenses.
 

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well shit man who in the country is a better offensive mind than Linc? But the Big 12 had a run with nothing but offensive gurus in the conference.. But maybe you are correct Mahomes, Baker, Grier, Rudolph, Boykin, Sam, Murray, Stidham, etc didn't have the talent either.

But what do I know, I'm sure the buzzsaw of SEC qbs in 2018 would do horrible things to Big 12 defenses week in week out.
The answer is somewhere in the middle. The better teams in the SEC would do just fine in the Big Xii, but the weaker teams would struggle.

As for Lincoln Riley and OU, in 3 years as HC, the Sooners have been outscored head to head by 3 different SEC Teams / Coaches / QBs on neutral fields, and the result has gotten worse each year. So, it's not like he has a magic formula that is not available @ UGA, @ Ala or @ LSU.

FWIW, Iowa State has done well vs. OU the past 3 years winning in 2017, losing by 10 in 2018 and losing on a missed two-point conversion in 2019. I don't think ISU would have been able to keep it close with 2017 Georgia, 2018 Alabama or 2019 LSU either.
 

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LOL, you are making my arguments for me, but not smart enough to even notice. Saying the system was better means that every qb before Hurts was also the result of the system, not talent. Let me know when a B12 team makes it to the CFP Championship Game. There is a reason the B12 was the 4 seed in 3 of the 4 times they made it, getting there just means you convinced people you were better than the perceived shittiest conference. The only time you weren't the 4 seed was the year they decided 2 conferences were too shitty to get in...really speaks to the quality of the B12...your slogan could be "We're shitty, but not as shitty as the Pac-12"

You’re basing the quality of a conference on the seed their best team gets? An you talk about others not being smart enough? LOLz
 

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The answer is somewhere in the middle. The better teams in the SEC would do just fine in the Big Xii, but the weaker teams would struggle.

As for Lincoln Riley and OU, in 3 years as HC, the Sooners have been outscored head to head by 3 different SEC Teams / Coaches / QBs on neutral fields, and the result has gotten worse each year. So, it's not like he has a magic formula that is not available @ UGA, @ Ala or @ LSU.

FWIW, Iowa State has done well vs. OU the past 3 years winning in 2017, losing by 10 in 2018 and losing on a missed two-point conversion in 2019. I don't think ISU would have been able to keep it close with 2017 Georgia, 2018 Alabama or 2019 LSU either.
Again, I'm talking about week to week conference play.
 

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Again, I'm talking about week to week conference play.
I understand. I don't think the top SEC teams would struggle with it week to week, but the weaker teams would have a hard, hard time. I saw half of the Big Xii in person last year (Iowa State, TCU, Okla. State, Texas and Kansas), and I saw Alabama with their back-up QB in the Bowl Game. Alabama wouldn't have been trippin' over playing any of those teams. Granted, it's only half of the conference, but playing in the Big Xii wouldn't be tougher for Alabama than the SEC week to week. Kentucky, on the other hand, would have struggled mightily vs. the Big Xii last year in a week to week grind. Just my opinion. I like both conferences and have no axe to grind.
 
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I understand. I don't think the top SEC teams would struggle with it week to week, but the weaker teams would have a hard, hard time. I saw half of the Big Xii in person last year (Iowa State, TCU, Okla. State, Texas and Kansas), and I saw Alabama with their back-up QB in the Bowl Game. Alabama wouldn't have been trippin' over playing any of those teams. Granted, it's only half of the conference, but playing in the Big Xii wouldn't be tougher for Alabama than the SEC week to week. Kentucky, on the other hand, would have struggled mightily vs. the Big Xii last year in a week to week grind. Just my opinion. I like both conferences and have no axe to grind.
Last year was a weak season of QB play in the conference. I truly believe that GA, Bama would have gotten clipped once in 2018 had they played a Big 12 schedule.
 

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My whole point was that the QB play of the Big 12 was better than anywhere else and to defend them and the way they were being used was much harder than any other conference. It's like people think the conference doesn't "care" about defense. Solid to great defensive coordinators look below par competing in the Big 12.. Patterson was thought of as a defensive wizard (still is) and he got bodied by Briles and the Veer and shoot.

Hell even the best DC in the country today (arguably) at Clemson left ou after getting lit up a few times. To this day I feel he saw the writing on the wall before he left.

Even the NFL and a few SEC schools have began copying Iowa St 3-2-6 (1-5) defense to counter the air raid offenses.
Yep. For a while there I would've hated to be a DC in the Big 12. A week or two was okay but having to deal with that stuff week in and week out is a royal pain in the ass. Wore on them mentally and physically. It looks to me like it still bothers the hell out of Coach Hitch 'em Up when his defense doesn't shut down a team.

On the other hand, I'd have loved to be an OC. Most HCs didn't put any restraints on them about TOP, turnovers, risks, etc. Kind of like an architect hired to build a Vegas casino in the heyday. Just dream it and design it....don't worry about cost factors! We want the New York skyline, design it. We want a pyramid with a river running through it, design it. We want Venice with canals, design it. We want the Eifel Tower, design it. etc.
 

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The 10 coaches most likely to win first national championship

Very interesting list, I'll post it below. There is further detail in the link for each pick.

1. Ryan Day - Ohio State
2. James Franklin - Penn State
3. Dan Mullen - Florida
4. Lincoln Riley - Oklahoma
5. Kirby Smart - Georgia
6. Brian Kelly - Notre Dame
7. Mario Cristobal - Oregon
8. Tom Herman - Texas
9. Gus Malzahn - Auburn
10. Josh Heupel - UCF

No Hairball??

Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh says Wolverines are 'as close as you can possibly be' to national title
 

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Last year was a weak season of QB play in the conference. I truly believe that GA, Bama would have gotten clipped once in 2018 had they played a Big 12 schedule.
Anything is possible, but Alabama in 2018 had Tua at his best and a very dominant team. Not sure who would have outscored them in the Big Xii with a healthy Tua. I suppose if they played @ OU or @ Texas with Tua injured, they could have lost, but Jalen was a more than capable backup. At the end of the day, Alabama had an equal or better offense than Oklahoma and a better defense than any team in the Big Xii no matter how you want to compare it in 2018. I don't see them trippin' in the Big Xii in 2018 at all.

Just conjecture though. I do think you overestimate the Big Xii offenses and QBs, and I say that as an Iowa State fan. There is not a team in the Big Xii the past 3 seasons that I didn't think ISU could beat each week, and Alabama, Georgia and LSU were all way better than the Cyclones all 3 seasons. Maybe not this year though! lol. ISU is good enough to win the Big Xii. Maybe they can beat the SEC Champion, since the Cyclones actually are decent defensively (unlike OU). Peace man. Let's hate on the Sooners together!

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No Hairball??

Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh says Wolverines are 'as close as you can possibly be' to national title
They are! All they need is a different coach.
 

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I do think you overestimate the Big Xii offenses and QBs,
Just curious 78. Which conferences "overall" would you say has had better offenses and QB play in the past 10 years?

Side note: I've said before, the Big 12 QB play was pedestrian at best in 2019. You guys probably had the best one and his performance wasn't as good as previous. Texas, OU and Baylor had ok QB play but not really eye popping. Tech, TCU, Okie Lite, WVU and the Kansas schools were not very good at QB last year.
 

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Just curious 78. Which conferences "overall" would you say has had better offenses and QB play in the past 10 years?

Side note: I've said before, the Big 12 QB play was pedestrian at best in 2019. You guys probably had the best one and his performance wasn't as good as previous. Texas, OU and Baylor had ok QB play but not really eye popping. Tech, TCU, Okie Lite, WVU and the Kansas schools were not very good at QB last year.
Overall? The Big Xii.

However, 2017 Georgia, 2018 Alabama and 2019 LSU were just as good or better offensively than any Big Xii team in those 3 years + they all had big, fast defensive lines - which is why they could beat OU (Alabama and LSU handily without being threatened). Alabama literally destroyed OU's O-line (which was considered the best in the country) in the Orange Bowl until they were up 28-0.

FWIW, Iowa State gives Big Xii offenses fits! I love my Cyclones, but if ISU can hang with Big Xii offenses, so can Georgia, Alabama and LSU!

:D
 
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Overall? The Big Xii.

However, 2017 Georgia, 2018 Alabama and 2019 LSU were just as good or better offensively than any Big Xii team in those 3 years + they all had big, fast defensive lines - which is why they could beat OU (Alabama and LSU handily without being threatened). Alabama literally destroyed OU's O-line (which was considered the best in the country) in the Orange Bowl until they were up 28-0.

FWIW, Iowa State gives Big Xii offenses fits! I love my Cyclones, but if ISU can hang with Big Xii offenses, so can Georgia, Alabama and LSU!

:D

You can't be serious... With Fromm?
 

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You can't be serious... With Fromm?
Granted, that was not as high of a level as Tua in 2018 for Alabama or Burrow in 2019 for LSU, but sure. Georgia had a very strong running game, and they would have been just fine playing in the Big Xii in 2017. As it was, they were good enough to beat the best team in the Big Xii on a neutral field. Not sure why you cannot give the SEC Champions that have actually beaten a Big Xii Champion in the Playoff the benefit of the doubt that they just might be able to make it through the other Big Xii teams. It's really not that much of a stretch. Fromm and the Bulldogs took OU's first half gut punch and fought back and won. They scored more points than the best Big Xii offense in a head to head game. I will say, they would be the most likely to lose a Big Xii game though of the 3 examples (like they did the following year to Texas in the Sugar Bowl), but they still would have been a super-tough match-up for most of the Big Xii to handle. They won the SEC and beat the Big Xii Champion in 2017. They were what I would call better than average - even with Fromm. :)
 
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Granted, that was not as high of a level as Tua in 2018 for Alabama or Burrow in 2019 for LSU, but sure. Georgia had a very strong running game, and they would have been just fine playing in the Big Xii in 2017. As it was, they were good enough to beat the best team in the Big Xii on a neutral field. Not sure why you cannot give the SEC Champions that have actually beaten a Big Xii Champion in the Playoff the benefit of the doubt that they just might be able to make it through the other Big Xii teams. It's really not that much of a stretch. Fromm and the Bulldogs took OU's first half gut punch and fought back and won. They scored more points than the best Big Xii offense in a head to head game. I will say, they would be the most likely to lose a Big Xii game though of the 3 examples (like they did the following year to Texas in the Sugar Bowl), but they still would have been a super-tough match-up for most of the Big Xii to handle. They won the SEC and beat the Big Xii Champion in 2017. They were what I would call better than average - even with Fromm. :)
That defense that was supposably great got whipped for damn near 50 pts, if they hadn't had a full month, they would have been blown out in a regular conference game.
 

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That defense that was supposably great got whipped for damn near 50 pts, if they hadn't had a full month, they would have been blown out in a regular conference game.
And outscored and WON the game against the BEST offense the Big Xii had to offer TOO. Of course, they could have lost a game in the Xii like they did in the SEC that season (@ Auburn), but give the SEC Champion that BEAT the Big Xii Champion with the Heisman Trophy winning QB some credit. OU had a month to prepare for Georgia too! lol.
 
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