tOfficial "2014 LeBron James" Superthread

[tlance]

Although you're right about the terms of the deal. A max contract would still send Hayward's contract into $20+ mil in the latter half of his contract. Having him take up a 3rd of your salary cap is idiotic. Bosh isn't worth a true max, but point being, he's worth alot more than Hayward is.

 

[trojanfan12]

Although you're right about the terms of the deal. A max contract would still send Hayward's contract into $20+ mil in the latter half of his contract. Having him take up a 3rd of your salary cap is idiotic. Bosh isn't worth a true max, but point being, he's worth alot more than Hayward is.

Bosh may not be worth a full max contract, but he is definitely worth a "near max" contract, imo. An argument could be made that he is the biggest reason that the big 3 has worked.

When they came together, many people said that it wouldn't work because you can't have 3 "alpha dogs". We saw a certain amount of the truth in this with the Heat losing to the Mavs in year 1, when Lebron and D-Wade were trying to "take turns" as the #1 option.

Imagine how much worse it could have been if Bosh had demanded his "turns" as well, instead of willingly accepting being the 3rd option.

 

[bksballer89]

This is getting frustrating

 

[Sportsman]

I think Gasol and a couple cheap shooters is the best option. I doubt Ariza passes up the big bucks from Washington.

The Heat should be pursuing Gasol aggressively, it is the Heat's best hope of getting back on track.

 

[Davis_Mike]

Although you're right about the terms of the deal. A max contract would still send Hayward's contract into $20+ mil in the latter half of his contract. Having him take up a 3rd of your salary cap is idiotic. Bosh isn't worth a true max, but point being, he's worth alot more than Hayward is.

Where are you getting your numbers? A max contract for player with his experience & not resigning with the team that owns his Bird rights is 4/$60 mil. That would start out at $14 mil and finish at $16 mil. His value is inflated because of his RFA status.

Seriously, people need to do a little research. And while your at it, look up how many other players & who they are, that average 15/5/5 last season.

 

[Heatles84]

Where are you getting your numbers? A max contract for player with his experience & not resigning with the team that owns his Bird rights is 4/$60 mil. That would start out at $14 mil and finish at $16 mil. His value is inflated because of his RFA status.

Seriously, people need to do a little research. And while your at it, look up how many other players & who they are, that average 15/5/5 last season.

I forgot about the Derrick Rose rule in the CBA. I still don't think Hayward is worth that type of money, but that's just my opinion.

 

[gordontrue]

Where are you getting your numbers? A max contract for player with his experience & not resigning with the team that owns his Bird rights is 4/$60 mil. That would start out at $14 mil and finish at $16 mil. His value is inflated because of his RFA status.

Seriously, people need to do a little research. And while your at it, look up how many other players & who they are, that average 15/5/5 last season.

Just 5
Durant - 19.2 Win Shares
LeBron - 15.9 Win Shares
Westbrook - 5.2 Win Shares
Hayward - 3.6 Win Shares
MCW - 1.3 Win Shares

 

[Davis_Mike]

Lakers, Suns, 76ers, Mavs, Jazz, Magic, Hornets all would give Bosh max, IMO. (Assuming they can't get Bron or Melo)

76ers, Jazz, & Magic are in multiple years rebuild mode and aren't going to offer max money to anyone outside of Lebron. The Mavs said they won't be doing max deals this year. The Suns have zero interest in Bosh. The Lakers just drafted their PF. That leaves you with the Hornets who just drafted Noah Vonleh & are looking at SF/SG to add to the team.

So again, where is this supposed market?

 

[gordontrue]

Worst PER while averaging 15/5/5 for a season:

 

[trojanfight]

I'm trying to not be a homer here... but from a basketball standpoint Phoenix does make a lot of sense. Hear me out.

-He's great friends with Bledsoe, who happens to share the same agent as him.

-Phoenix could give him a max deal AND have enough room to sign another player to a max deal with him without giving up Dragic or Bledsoe.

-A core of Dragic, Bledsoe, LeBron, a player of his choice, Plumlee, Frye, Markieff, Warren, Ennis, Green, etc. is much deeper than any other team can offer him atm.

-Best training staff in the league. Great weather during the season... Scottsdale is a premier place to live for celebs now.

I know it's a longshot, but with how much young talent, picks and cap space they have it really does make sense if he's thinking about being on a great team for now and the future.

I would LOVE to see him in Hornacek's offense.

Scottdale really ? Lmao yeah if I had a choice of LA or Scottsdale hmmmmm I wonder

 

[gordontrue]

76ers, Jazz, & Magic are in multiple years rebuild mode and aren't going to offer max money to anyone outside of Lebron. The Mavs said they won't be doing max deals this year. The Suns have zero interest in Bosh. The Lakers just drafted their PF. That leaves you with the Hornets who just drafted Noah Vonleh & are looking at SF/SG to add to the team.

So again, where is this supposed market?

Too much absolutism in this post.

Your points are good ones and worth considering (except your take on the Suns which didn't have one), but each of those statements shouldn't be said with anywhere near the confidence or certainty with which you say it.

The Lakers have Randle, so there's no way they'd ever want Bosh? The Hornets want a Guard so they'd balk at a chance at Bosh? These are examples of extreme statements.

I strongly believe that every one of those teams would at the very least strongly consider signing Bosh if the opportunity presented itself.. and a few would jump on it.

 

[gordontrue]

Scottdale really ? Lmao yeah if I had a choice of LA or Scottsdale hmmmmm I wonder

As someone who has traveled to both cities dozens and dozens of time for business.... Scottsdale, Scottsdale, Scottsdale. In a heartbeat.

Cost of Living and Traffic being the biggest reasons.

I mean, I'm not an NBA player though.

 

[Davis_Mike]

I forgot about the Derrick Rose rule in the CBA. I still don't think Hayward is worth that type of money, but that's just my opinion.

If he was an ordinary unrestricted FA, I would agree with you. But he is not. Being a RFA inflates his value for teams that are trying to steal him away from his Bird rights team.

There is a reason why the 3 RFA(s) that people want haven't been resigned by their Bird rights team yet. Bledsoe, Hayward, & Parsons all 3 are being left to find out there to find out what their is. More so, Bledsoe & Hayward. It is beneficial for both the team & player to do this. Bird rights teams don't want to pay their RFA the max unless they have too. And players are not going to sign for less whn there are teams that might want him for more. Thus in order to force Bird right teams into paying those players or letting them go, teams trying to sign RFA players often have to offer the max. Eric Gordon is a prime example of a player who was not worth the contract he got, but because he was a RFA & teams wanted him, he got a max deal.

 

[trojanfan12]

As someone who has traveled to both cities dozens and dozens of time for business.... Scottsdale, Scottsdale, Scottsdale. In a heartbeat.

Cost of Living and Traffic being the biggest reasons.

I mean, I'm not an NBA player though.

Yeah, Phoenix/Scottsdale isn't nearly as bad as some want to claim, but when you consider the lifestyle of an NBA player (especially a top NBA player), it advantage Los Angeles.

 

[Heatles84]

Scottdale really ? Lmao yeah if I had a choice of LA or Scottsdale hmmmmm I wonder

Seriously, the weather is nice in alot of NBA cities in the Fall and Winter. If I'm an athlete and I had to choose, I'm taking LA all day before Arizona. At the end of the day, the dessert is still a dessert. And for any Phoenix fans come out and start bashing me; I've been to Arizona multiple times.

 

[anotheridiot]

But there is no "real" market where Bosh could get that money. Who has that type that would be willing to give him a max deal? Teams would be more willing to wait til 2015 for Love before giving that type of money to Bosh. I just don't see a place outside of Miami where he can use leverage for a big payday.

And yes GM(s) make poor decisions all the time. Josh Smith is an example of that.

Unrestricted free agent centers listed as notable

Pau Gasol

Chris Bosh.

No supply, more demand.

I never wanted Bosh in chicago, but now that he showed how unselfish he could be, he might be a better team mate. And with boozer amnestied, that money is gonna be burning a hole in the front offices pocket.

 

[Heatles84]

Yeah, Phoenix/Scottsdale isn't nearly as bad as some want to claim, but when you consider the lifestyle of an NBA player (especially a top NBA player), it advantage Los Angeles.

This. It all matters about your income. For me personally, I'd take Scottsdale. Working in IT, I'm just not going to make the type of money in LA that's going to make it worthwhile as I'll have to deal with the normal incoming struggles, which I wouldn't have to in Scottsdale. However, if you're making millions, then it's a completely different scenario.

 

[Davis_Mike]

Too much absolutism in this post.

Your points are good ones and worth considering (except your take on the Suns which didn't have one), but each of those statements shouldn't be said with anywhere near the confidence or certainty with which you say it.

The Lakers have Randle, so there's no way they'd ever want Bosh? The Hornets want a Guard so they'd balk at a chance at Bosh? These are examples of extreme statements.

I strongly believe that every one of those teams would at the very least strongly consider signing Bosh if the opportunity presented itself.. and a few would jump on it.

The context for this conversation is a where is the market for a max deal for Bosh. None of these teams are going to offer him a max deal.

Where are you getting your information on the Suns? There have been absolutely zero links between the Suns & Bosh. They already have a tweener stretch PF in Markief who puts up similar numbers at a quarter of the price. There is no need for Bosh on this team.

The Lakers could sign Bosh, but they wouldn't do it at a max. Same for Charlotte. The other teams are young & in the middle of multiple year rebuilds are not giving out max contracts.

 

[trojanfan12]

This. It all matters about your income. For me personally, I'd take Scottsdale. Working in IT, I'm just not going to make the type of money in LA that's going to make it worthwhile as I'll have to deal with the normal incoming struggles, which I wouldn't have to in Scottsdale. However, if you're making millions, then it's a completely different scenario.

Also, many Lakers/Clippers and other professional athletes in the L.A. area, end up living in places like Malibu and Newport Beach. For year round weather, even South Beach doesn't offer what those places do and they still get the L.A. nightlife, etc. on top of it.

 

[Davis_Mike]

Unrestricted free agent centers listed as notable

Pau Gasol

Chris Bosh.

No supply, more demand.

I never wanted Bosh in chicago, but now that he showed how unselfish he could be, he might be a better team mate. And with boozer amnestied, that money is gonna be burning a hole in the front offices pocket.

Bosh isn't a center.

You want Bosh on the Bulls in a max deal? That's the context of this conversation. His salaries would start st around $20 mil & increase 5% in each season afterwards.