tOfficial "2014 LeBron James" Superthread

[starbigd]

Wojnarowski's point was relative to their value to the team. I agree 100% that what these guys make off the court definitely makes up the difference (and then some). But when you consider, for example, the amount of money that having Kobe on the team has made the Lakers and/or the money that Lebron has made the Heat, they are grossly underpaid by those teams.

I read where, if Lebron were to leave Miami, the value of the Heat would instantly drop by $100 million dollars.

This is why Gilbert was so pissed off when Lebron left.......

 

[trojanfight]

A thought I just had...

Why doesn't LeBron take a 1 year deal for something tiny like $5 million.... giving the Heat room to get some serious talent from other FA. The following year... the Heat could use his bird rights to go over the cap and sign him to a 5 year max (andd still keep all the FA they got this year). It would put Arison into the luxury tax but that's a small price to keep LeBron.

Sacrifice 1 year worth of pay, instead of of 3 or 4 years and you can get much better talent around you.

at what point do you say how much help does the supposedly best player in league need to win rings? If Jordan or kobe had wade bosh and ray allen and just some filler players they would win every year. Some of the scenarios seem lebron needs 15 points per game or more from the other 4 guys on floor to win.

 

[OregonDucks]

at what point do you say how much help does the supposedly best player in league need to win rings? If Jordan or kobe had wade bosh and ray allen and just some filler players they would win every year. Some of the scenarios seem lebron needs 15 points per game or more from the other 4 guys on floor to win.

wow........maybe one of the best posts ever regarding LeBron James and his "legacy"

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

This is why Gilbert was so pissed off when Lebron left.......

Being pissed off is one thing.

To publicly call James out like he did and go on an immature rant might very well end up costing him another 100+M, and any chance of the Cavs ever winning a championship.

I'll bet Gilbert has wished he could rewind and do that night over every night since the night after it happened.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

at what point do you say how much help does the supposedly best player in league need to win rings? If Jordan or kobe had wade bosh and ray allen and just some filler players they would win every year. Some of the scenarios seem lebron needs 15 points per game or more from the other 4 guys on floor to win.

You are talking Wade in his prime, James has dealt with Wade who often can't play.

You are talking Ray Allen in his prime, James has dealt with Allen who can still shoot, but is a huge liability on defense.

Jordan and Kobe both ALWAYS has someone on their roster as good or better than Bosh.

Jordan and Kobe always had very nice "filler players" on any championship team they were on.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Lol at Kobe getting 12 more mil and some wanting Lebron to sacrifice. He is already underpaid and has been his whole career. He deserves it, some contending team will pay him.

 

[gordontrue]

You are talking Wade in his prime, James has dealt with Wade who often can't play.

You are talking Ray Allen in his prime, James has dealt with Allen who can still shoot, but is a huge liability on defense.

Jordan and Kobe both ALWAYS has someone on their roster as good or better than Bosh.

Jordan and Kobe always had very nice "filler players" on any championship team they were on.

Exactly what I was going to say. Do people honestly think that if you took LeBron off of the 2014 Heat team and put Jordan or Kobe on it... that they would have beaten the Spurs? LeBron was by far the most effective player on the team throughout the playoffs... and people are trying to paint him as the problem??

 

[gordontrue]

A good explanation of the Heat's options from Grantland

The Heat can play around with the timing of transactions, a skill that has become crucial as the league’s cap mechanics get more complex. They could renounce Haslem to create more cap space, spend up to the cap, and then use the so-called “room exception” to bring him back on the cheap.2 They could open up some more space by dumping Cole into someone else’s cap room, and they pitched Cole-centric trades around the draft.

They also don’t have to go under the cap at all. If they stay over it, the Heat will have the full midlevel exception, which allows them to offer a contract starting at nearly $5.5 million per season. That might be larger than the cap space they’d open up, and thus a more attractive chip on the open market.

Bottom line: If LeBron is coming back, the Heat aren’t opening up serious cap space unless the Wade-Bosh combo takes a larger combined pay cut than most people expect. Maybe that will happen. It basically has to for Pat Riley to improve the roster in any meaningful way, but Bosh and Wade need to set themselves up to earn at least $55 million over the next four years in order to make opting out of $42 million over the next two even semi-rational. This could get awkward.

 

[Shanemansj13]

at what point do you say how much help does the supposedly best player in league need to win rings? If Jordan or kobe had wade bosh and ray allen and just some filler players they would win every year. Some of the scenarios seem lebron needs 15 points per game or more from the other 4 guys on floor to win.

So we are talking about an aging Wade that sometimes looks like he needs to retire, an aging Allen who can still shoot but just not the same especially on D, and Bosh who has now become basically a 3 pt shooter, not a grewt defender, and sometimes acts like he isn't on the court.

And this is all with a lack of a bench, the Heat have had a lack of bench players since Lebron got there. They had Mike Miller and Haslem, now they have Ray and Cole, Haslem hardly played. No bench and lack of depth is the key.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

John Canzano @johncanzanobft about 1 hour ago
Chris Bosh 5 year deal will return to Heat, per source. Dwyane Wade will re-sign for 4 years in Miami.

LeBron James wants short term (1-2 year deal) at max money contract w Heat, source close to negotiation tells me.




If this is true, all the other Teams can move on from the pipedream.

 

[gordontrue]

Reporting $11 million for Bosh and $12 million for Wade in year 1

 

[gordontrue]

Canzano's numbers are backed up by what Windhorst is now reporting...



I'm trying to figure out why Bosh is willing to go that low. Great news for Heat if this turns out to be true.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Canzano's numbers are backed up by what Windhorst is now reporting...

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I'm trying to figure out why Bosh is willing to go that low. Great news for Heat if this turns out to be true.

Because he likes being Batgirl.

Seriously, that is a ton of money to be a 3rd option.

Bosh has the talent to be a true #1.

But, he has never really had the Heart.

I love his game.

I see Vonleh developing into a Bosh-type 4.

Looking at it from a different perspective, isn't this the unselfish thing to do?

Put winning first, before pride?

He is the anti-Kobe who some of us bash, RELENTLESSLY, for taking 30% of the cap and still expecting the Organization to make wine out of sewer water.

Good for the Heat.

 

[Sportsman]

Reporting $11 million for Bosh and $12 million for Wade in year 1

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That's too much for those 2. Ideally, the heat need to trade at least one of those guys. It looks like the Heat aren't winning the championship again this year.

 

[Shoveyjoe]

That's too much for those 2. Ideally, the heat need to trade at least one of those guys. It looks like the Heat aren't winning the championship again this year.

Neither are the Clippers, but that's not really anything new.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

That's too much for those 2. Ideally, the heat need to trade at least one of those guys. It looks like the Heat aren't winning the championship again this year.

You have lost your mind.

If that info is correct, the rest of the league is in trouble.
Riley basically just go 2 players (both all stars as long as you can remember going backwards), to play next year for basically 50% of what they were contracted to play for just days ago.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

That's too much for those 2. Ideally, the heat need to trade at least one of those guys. It looks like the Heat aren't winning the championship again this year.

Wade was gimp most of the season.

But, he was still the 2nd best SG in the NBA.

Well, I think Beal and Harden were better.

But, you get the point.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Neither are the Clippers, but that's not really anything new.

What have I ever done to you?!?!

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Canzano's numbers are backed up by what Windhorst is now reporting...

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I'm trying to figure out why Bosh is willing to go that low. Great news for Heat if this turns out to be true.

1. He LOVES living in Miami.
2. He saves his $$$..he's fine.
3. He'll make it back down the road. Loyalty with the Heat has always been a 2 way street.

 

[Lone Granger]

Only chance of pacers winning anything in the foreseeable future

The Heat took a confidence hit and aren't the same after Big Daddy San Antonio put them over it's knee and spanked the shit outta them. You lose, chubbs.