The SportsHoopla QB Rankings, Pt. 1

[JDM]

Brady had a great year. He did what he needed to do to develop his young corps of receivers for the future, and had a team missing 4 all pros in the AFC championship. There was never any intention to put up big numbers, and this was known before the year started.

There is nothing to excuse. Brady, playing at the same level he played at in New England last year, makes the Seahawks an undefeated team.

 

[SonnyCID]

63.1% / 8.25 YPA / 26-9 / 101.2 QB rating / Ring

60.2% / 6.92 YPA / 25-11 / 87.3 QB rating

Wilson was better last year.

 

[SonnyCID]

And it's not even close.

 

[sonnyblack65]

63.1% / 8.25 YPA / 26-9 / 101.2 QB rating / Ring

60.2% / 6.92 YPA / 25-11 / 87.3 QB rating

Wilson was better last year.

Sonny jr wanna make a AV bet? Now that Brady has 1 year with new receiving corp under belt, will not only throw 10 more tds but also 1000 more yards than Wilson this year. You down ? Sonny

 

[SonnyCID]

Brady had a great year. He did what he needed to do to develop his young corps of receivers for the future, and had a team missing 4 all pros in the AFC championship. There was never any intention to put up big numbers, and this was known before the year started.

There is nothing to excuse. Brady, playing at the same level he played at in New England last year, makes the Seahawks an undefeated team.

Oh OK. Seems strange that there was no intentions of putting up big numbers when they were 5th in attempts and dropbacks.

 

[SonnyCID]

Sonny jr wanna make a AV bet? Now that Brady has 1 year with new receiving corp under belt, will not only throw 10 more tds but also 1000 more yards than Wilson this year. You down ? Sonny

You got it, sr.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Oh OK. Seems strange that there was no intentions of putting up big numbers when they were 5th in attempts and dropbacks.

Cool we have like 9 mos 10 tds and 1000 yards will spot your pup by the "old dog"

 

[JDM]

Wilson had hands down the best defense in the league carry him to that ring.


Brady spent the season teaching his receivers the offense. Stats were never a goal. There wasn't enough talent left at the end of the year to be a contender. If the Seahawks lost Sherman, Thomas, and Lynch, you weren't winning the Super Bowl either.

 

[JDM]

Oh OK. Seems strange that there was no intentions of putting up big numbers when they were 5th in attempts and dropbacks.

Reps. For the young receivers. The entire purpose was to throw them into the fire, force them lots of balls, and get them ready for an NFL offense going forward.

 

[SonnyCID]

Reps. For the young receivers. The entire purpose was to throw them into the fire, force them lots of balls, and get them ready for an NFL offense going forward.

Reps are for practice. Game day, you either produce, or you dont. Young, old, no excuses.

The Pat's intention last year was to win a SB, nothing less.

 

[JDM]

Practices don't compare to games. You can't learn half as much in practices as you can in live game speed.

That's the goal every year. Their regular season put them in position to be there, and fulfilled the equally important goal of getting the rookies into the fire and ready for the future. There is not a team in the league who could lose mayo, Wilfork, and gronk level players and even make their conference championship, let alone win the Super Bowl. It isn't possible.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Rodgers, hands down. Peyton or Brady a few years back. Wilson is close but not top 5.

Rodgers, Brady, Manning (Wilson would get smoked by his own D), Brees, and either Rivers/Ben or POSSIBLY Romo with the 5 slot.

If Wilson continues his progression and development, there's no reason he wont be top 5 shortly. But the guys I listed above have proven it for several years and are continuing to prove it with little help elsewhere on the team. Ben still puts up good #s without the elite D and the same situation on O without Lynch (no receivers, constantly injured O-Line).

My top 5 (in order):

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Manning
Ben

 

[Uhsplit]

Sonny jr wanna make a AV bet? Now that Brady has 1 year with new receiving corp under belt, will not only throw 10 more tds but also 1000 more yards than Wilson this year. You down ? Sonny

I wouldn't take that bet. We are a run 1st offense and are known for that. NE is not built that way. Whenever RW HAS to throw the ball be has been very good and that is why we have not lost a game by more than a TD in 2 years.
regarding our OL, it also was built as a run 1st priority and they are pretty good at run blocking. I read on one of those services that rates OL effectiveness and we were rated #31 in pass pro IIRC.
Remember, we play in the NFCW and every team has a solid D. How have your teams done against the NFCW in the last 2 years?

 

[sonnyblack65]

I wouldn't take that bet. We are a run 1st offense and are known for that. NE is not built that way. Whenever RW HAS to throw the ball be has been very good and that is why we have not lost a game by more than a TD in 2 years.
regarding our OL, it also was built as a run 1st priority and they are pretty good at run blocking. I read on one of those services that rates OL effectiveness and we were rated #31 in pass pro IIRC.
Remember, we play in the NFCW and every team has a solid D. How have your teams done against the NFCW in the last 2 years?

Sorry Fishbeak bet is done can you give me a thumbs up now?

 

[sonnyblack65]

I wouldn't take that bet. We are a run 1st offense and are known for that. NE is not built that way. Whenever RW HAS to throw the ball be has been very good and that is why we have not lost a game by more than a TD in 2 years.
regarding our OL, it also was built as a run 1st priority and they are pretty good at run blocking. I read on one of those services that rates OL effectiveness and we were rated #31 in pass pro IIRC.
Remember, we play in the NFCW and every team has a solid D. How have your teams done against the NFCW in the last 2 years?

Not sure how they did without looking it up, but sure it wasn't too good

 

[WizardHawk]

I'm right and you know I'm right. Your line isn't "horrible". They just can't block for five minutes a play like Wilson makes them.


You're blaming the line for part of who your QB is.

No, all you keep proving is how much you really don't know.

Seattle's worst 4 game stretch happened when they had 3 injured O linemen and were starting two rookies with no experience. Not only do a few of their guys just SUCK ASS on pass blocking, but they really struggled with injury most of the year. Okung wasn't 100% at least up until the playoffs and wasn't really there even then. Unger was hurt more than once. Mcquistan is just fucking horrible. Giacomini is competent at run blocking, but was beat in pass coverage more than he picked up rushers all year long. He did step up a bit better in the playoffs after he came back from an injury, but he was fucking terrible during the games he played in the regular season.

Go actually look at film of their games. You cannot look at that line and what happened during the season and say Wilson was at fault. Carroll talked about it often, so did Bevell, and even some of those linemen acknowledged that they were not going a good enough job at protecting him.

You can keep claiming you know what you are talking about, but once again you are just a complete and utter dumb ass on this topic. You really are.

 

[JDM]

Your line is average at the very worst. Wilson puts more pressure on them than a better QB would.

 

[SonnyCID]

Your line is average at the very worst. Wilson puts more pressure on them than a better QB would.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true. In fact, you repeating it is doing nothing but highlighting your ignorance on the subject. For a couple good stretches throughout the year, the interior protection was as bad as I've ever seen for a Seahawks line, and that it is saying something. They were blown the fuck up on a regular basis.

The Hawk line is good when they are healthy and clicking, but they weren't healthy and clicking for 90% of the year. The tape shows it, and it also shows Wilson bailing them out..... A lot.

 

[WizardHawk]

Your line is average at the very worst. Wilson puts more pressure on them than a better QB would.

So we should take your word over that of the coaches and players on that actual team right? :rollseyes:

Continuing to assert something as truth doesn't make it true. You simply aren't going to find anyone who knows football and watched any of the games that team played who agrees with you. None. You are 100000% dead wrong.

I've already told you there are some things Wilson doesn't do as well as some other QB's. He is young and his height does cause some problems. Those are realities. Still, he does as well as any QB in the league in broken plays and creating plays on the run. There are QB's who run too quickly (Kaepernick) that you can blame for causing the broken play to begin with. Wilson just isn't one of them. Sorry, you just don't know what you are talking about here. Not at all.

 

[JDM]

No, it being true is why I keep saying it. Wilson is identical to Big Ben in that regard. His line gets blamed for his tendency to hold the ball.

It's not necessarily a terrible thing, because he can make it work, but it isn't the fault of the line. It's part of his package.