The SportsHoopla QB Rankings, Pt. 1

[HaroldSeattle]

Hey JDM, Wilson threw for TDs the Brady and had fewer interceptions. Brady is going to be 37 and had a really bad year last year, yeah I'm sure your homer rose colored glasses tell you he'll do better this year..good luck with that...Seahawks fans aren't to worried about Wilson, his future looks bright.

 

[WizardHawk]

Guys, you are arguing with a more subtle version of Breaker. Seriously.

He presents you with things he knows will get us going and gives nothing more to support it than "I saw it myself and I say so".

He has no interest in exchanging opinions or ideas. He is here to wind you up. Pure and simple. Doesn't care what you think and won't do anything to back up his facts because there is nothing to back them up with.

I mean beat him around all you want, just like breaker, but it's time to call him what he is and stop trying to reason with him. You can't reason with a troll.

 

[JDM]

Hey JDM, Wilson threw for TDs the Brady and had fewer interceptions. Brady is going to be 37 and had a really bad year last year, yeah I'm sure your homer rose colored glasses tell you he'll do better this year..good luck with that...Seahawks fans aren't to worried about Wilson, his future looks bright.

And? Stats mean nothing. Brady did more for his team last year than Wilson did. If you guys lost Thomas, Sherman, and lynch, you wouldn't have been sniffing a conference championship appearance, let alone a Super Bowl. He also got several rookies involved in the offense at the same time, which included deliberately sacrificing his own stats to get them the proper looks and repetitions. Brady played at an elite level last year.


With Wilson, the patriots miss the playoffs completely.

 

[JDM]

Guys, you are arguing with a more subtle version of Breaker. Seriously.

He presents you with things he knows will get us going and gives nothing more to support it than "I saw it myself and I say so".

He has no interest in exchanging opinions or ideas. He is here to wind you up. Pure and simple. Doesn't care what you think and won't do anything to back up his facts because there is nothing to back them up with.

I mean beat him around all you want, just like breaker, but it's time to call him what he is and stop trying to reason with him. You can't reason with a troll.

I'm simply stating facts, some of which don't match the distorted view some of you are trying to present of your quarterback's accomplishments. He did "good enough", but good enough was an absurdly low bar. You should be happy the team around him is stacked, not upset someone is stating that a obvious fact.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

And? Stats mean nothing. Brady did more for his team last year than Wilson did. If you guys lost Thomas, Sherman, and lynch, you wouldn't have been sniffing a conference championship appearance, let alone a Super Bowl. He also got several rookies involved in the offense at the same time, which included deliberately sacrificing his own stats to get them the proper looks and repetitions. Brady played at an elite level last year.


With Wilson, the patriots miss the playoffs completely.

So I guess losing Harvin, Rice, Browner, Thurmond, and 3 starting 0-Lineman doesn't count for Wilson huh? Only Brady was effected by injuries and playing with inexperienced receivers? I bet nobody outside of Seattle knew who Baldwin, Kearse, or Lockette were before the SB last year. That is who Wilson had to throw too, plus Tate. Let's not pretend like Wilson was throwing to Megatron, Larry Fitz, and Julio Jones.

Wilson had better numbers than Brady in almost every category that matters and he did it with the same or less talent level around him while playing in the toughest division in football. Brady is one of the greatest of all time, but last year Russell was better.

 

[JDM]

Everyone has injuries. But not everyone loses 4 all pros in addition to a slew of other injuries.

It's not a winnable scenario. It's not possible.

 

[SonnyCID]

Wilson lost an all pro lineman, another pro bowl lineman, and 2 more starters on the line. But in the opinion of you and only you they were still pretty good.

 

[WizardHawk]

JDM, it's only a matter of time before everyone else comes to the conclusion you are only here to troll. I'm not the first to accuse you of it, and damn sure won't be the last. You site 'facts' that you refuse to prove and seem to argue just to ruffle feathers, not actually partake in any type of real discussion. Every point you refute... EVERY POINT is simply 'because I said so'. That's trolling. I'm on to your game and soon enough everyone else will be too. Hell, half of these hawk fans probably know it, but enjoy making you look like a tool. I guess you are filling in the hole lost when Breaker was kicked to the curb.

 

[JDM]

There is no evidence available. Neither of us has the game film.


I'm stating facts that should be obvious if you understand football. That isn't trolling.

 

[WizardHawk]

There is no evidence available. Neither of us has the game film.


I'm stating facts that should be obvious if you understand football. That isn't trolling.

^ is the pure definition of trolling.

 

[WizardHawk]

You keep saying what you are asserting isn't provable, but it's obvious and only a retard wouldn't agree. That's trolling.

There are tons of sites that could bolster your assessments if they were correct, but all you keep saying is the game film isn't available.

You totally discount real 'facts' and refuse to substitute your own. I've said go look for articles or stats to back it up and you refuse.

I just did a 10 second google on NFL stats sacks and found dozens of sites packed full of information including this:
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 OFFENSIVE LINES
According to their matrix Seattle was DEAD LAST in the NFL in pass protection in the regular season last year. DEAD FUCKING LAST. Run blocking they came in at 9th. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING. On a run first team it isn't shocking that they have run blocking specialists.

If you still want to tell us how great that pass blocking was and how it's all Wilson's fault PROVE IT or you are a troll, pure and simple. End of discussion.

 

[WizardHawk]

BTW, NE was 9th in pass protection and first in run blocking. Your line was among the best in football. Moving brady to Seattles team at his age would have put him in the hospital by week 6 guaranteed. He would not have been able to take the pounding Wilson did and no reasonable person would argue against that. You can't have the worst pass protection in football and win without a very mobile QB.

 

[JDM]

Metrics for linemen don't work. They don't measure what is on the line and what is on the QB.


Brady and manning always have relatively highly rated line play by any metric because they get the ball out. That doesn't mean they really have the elite lines that people act like they do.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

I find some people get so used to saying one or two guys are the best that they have a hard time accepting that new blood is taking over. I see it all the time anytime Golf is on. Its Tiger, Tiger, Tiger even though his best days are behind him and the group of young guys coming up are playing as good or better than Woods is now. For some Tiger is still the best in the game even though he's not anymore. Same goes in football. People have been agreeing that Brady and Manning are the best for so long now it has become their default answer when asked about best QBs who are still playing. Manning had the best year any QB has ever had, but Tom digressed a lot. You can make whatever excuses you want for Brady but he had one of his worst years ever last season. There is no reason to say he's one of the best playing today unless you are basing it off of his whole career. That's just the way it is.

 

[WizardHawk]

Metrics for linemen don't work. They don't measure what is on the line and what is on the QB.


Brady and manning always have relatively highly rated line play by any metric because they get the ball out. That doesn't mean they really have the elite lines that people act like they do.

Well, it's official. Lets all give a warm welcome to Breaker 2.0.

Refuses to use stats or proof of any type of his own. Just works circular logic to always come back to his assessments are obviously always right and simply because he says so.

He asks for facts and when facts are given he refuses to present some of his own, just says they are all wrong. Everyone on the web is wrong. He is the only person who knows football.

He's just a less insulting version of him. Might not use the same coarse language, but the exact same tool set to rile up the board.

 

[JDM]

No, I have said from the start that it cannot be proved in either way without access to the film. It isn't possible.


Line metrics have always been very bad at what they attempt to do. Meaningful statistics for line play do not exist, and likely never will.

 

[WizardHawk]

Shut up Meg

 

[SonnyCID]

No, I have said from the start that it cannot be proved in either way without access to the film. It isn't possible.


Line metrics have always been very bad at what they attempt to do. Meaningful statistics for line play do not exist, and likely never will.

You keep saying that you cant watch the games but you can. Hell, you can probably go to NFL network in demand right now and find broadcast recordings. Or download them. Just because you refuse to watch them doesnt mean its not possible. We live in the fucking Internet age and youre trying to convince us that there is no way for you to go watch this stuff, its a joke.

You argument is baseless and you know it. You cant even find a single article to support your stance. Because they dont exist. Because people that watched the know how bad they were.

 

[WizardHawk]

You keep saying that you cant watch the games but you can. Hell, you can probably go to NFL network in demand right now and find broadcast recordings. Or download them. Just because you refuse to watch them doesnt mean its not possible. We live in the fucking Internet age and youre trying to convince us that there is no way for you to go watch this stuff, its a joke.

You argument is baseless and you know it. You cant even find a single article to support your stance. Because they dont exist. Because people that watched the know how bad they were.

It's because if he admitted there was some way to prove his statements of 'fact' then he'd have to admit none of them actually concur with his assessments. He's just trolling us man. Nothing more.

You show him that Seattle had statistically the worst pass protection in football last year: Nope, stats don't work. No insight as to why mind you, just blanket dismissals. Sound like anyone else we knew?

I'm not sure if anyone has on hand the number of games each of the offensive line starters missed, but he blindly dismisses that as well. How many games did bowie and bailey start? Doesn't matter. Every blown play was Wilson's fault obviously.

That line was average at best when it was full strength and was rocked by injuries most of the season. The stats bear that out. Breaker 2.0 will have none of this real fact nonsense. His word is all that is needed.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

No, I have said from the start that it cannot be proved in either way without access to the film. It isn't possible.


Line metrics have always been very bad at what they attempt to do. Meaningful statistics for line play do not exist, and likely never will.

Even if this is true, you must admit that when reputable football sites compile stats and rank Seattle's O-line Dead last it must give you at least some indication of where they rank. It can't all be conjecture can it? There must be some metrics used to evaluate where a line sits in the rankings. Even if football outsiders is off by 10 ranks it would still put Seattle in the bottom third of the league. Why can't you concede this very simple point? Or are you one of those types that digs in their heels no matter what and will never be swayed or admit they might have been off by a bit?