THE PAC12 Thread

[WhiteMamba]

isn't Zona coming off of a bye? 2 weeks to prepare for UW?

Going to be a dandy

 

[Ironbreaker]

isn't Zona coming off of a bye? 2 weeks to prepare for UW?

Going to be a dandy

Should be a good one. They embarrassed us last year. I'm hoping Sark rustles some jimmies in practice!

 

[WizardHawk]

I think picking UW is easy easy money.

Zona beat UW by the same margin as Oregon did last year, granted on the road. They haven't played anyone with a pulse yet so no one knows if they have learned to play defense this year.

On the road vs ranked teams they went 1-3 last year with their lone victory coming early against Oklahoma State.

UW has been terrible vs uptempo teams in prior years and against zone option offenses on top of it were clearly outmatched.

The question for next week is has playing against an uptempo offense since the spring and getting in that extra conditioning along with all of the extra depth they have enough to change that trend. The defense did great against Boise's uptempo offense, but they are not in the same league as Arizona's offensive brand. Arizona will test UW's effectiveness against the zone read and passing option plays. Will they show the discipline they have lacked in recent years now that they have some veteran leadership and depth on that defense? No one knows.

When I said there were value bets, i'm not sure UW was one of them. UW has to prove they are ready to play at the Pac level with their new offense and a revamped defense. This is a great test for them for sure.

 

[WizardHawk]

in terms of value I'd take Oregon -34 all week. I'd also take ASU at home over USC with those points right now. While Oregon State has been head scratching at best I think they dominate Colorado.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

It's going to be a good game. GL Huskie fans

 

[asu_08]

Zona beat UW by the same margin as Oregon did last year, granted on the road. They haven't played anyone with a pulse yet so no one knows if they have learned to play defense this year.

On the road vs ranked teams they went 1-3 last year with their lone victory coming early against Oklahoma State.

UW has been terrible vs uptempo teams in prior years and against zone option offenses on top of it were clearly outmatched.

The question for next week is has playing against an uptempo offense since the spring and getting in that extra conditioning along with all of the extra depth they have enough to change that trend. The defense did great against Boise's uptempo offense, but they are not in the same league as Arizona's offensive brand. Arizona will test UW's effectiveness against the zone read and passing option plays. Will they show the discipline they have lacked in recent years now that they have some veteran leadership and depth on that defense? No one knows.

When I said there were value bets, i'm not sure UW was one of them. UW has to prove they are ready to play at the Pac level with their new offense and a revamped defense. This is a great test for them for sure.

You'll win by at least 10 points. Nobody realizes how much Matt Scott meant to that team last year. He led the conference in yards per game by a large margin. Carey is a stud and their line is solid but with a decimated WR corps and an inaccurate QB it will be easy to stack the box on them. And their defense is still their defense. Too undersized and too thin to keep up with the tempo of the game for 4 quarters.

 

[asu_08]

Sorry man, but USC wouldn't score 10 points on Oregon's defense. They scored like 17 against a mid-major? USC has NO chance to win the south and wouldn't be a speed bump to any northern team. They have nothing that resembles a complete team at this point.

UCLA and Arizona are the south's only chances. ASU has been exposed and USC is stick-a-fork-in-them done.

I wouldn't say we were exposed. That game pretty much confirmed what most of us knew all along that while we may be a good team this year, we're nowhere near good enough up front to compete with the elite teams. The south is still up for grabs, and we still have a chance to go 3-1 or 2-2 in the brutal 4 game stretch. While USC and ND don't look as scary as they did before the season most ASU fans have been saying that if we can go 2-2 or 3-1 over these 4 games it will be a victory.

Right now UCLA is the clear favorite in the south but they have an unfavorable in conference schedule and while it will be hard for us to pull out the win against them, they don't have a clear advantage up front against us like Stanford did and Wisconsin did defensively.

 

[WizardHawk]

I'm not saying ASU is a bad team by any stretch. I was speaking specifically in terms of winning the south and putting up a fight against the winner of the north. Coming into the season there were thoughts it could be a 4 way race in the south. That meant no one was expected to be totally dominate and there were 4 that could put a run together. After the OOC slate is done I think most would agree UCLA is the runaway favorite. I only even mention Arizona as a possibility because they haven't been ruled out yet.

The road to the BCS will go through UCLA in the CCG for whoever wins the north as it stands now until proven otherwise.

 

[asu_08]

I'm not saying ASU is a bad team by any stretch. I was speaking specifically in terms of winning the south and putting up a fight against the winner of the north. Coming into the season there were thoughts it could be a 4 way race in the south. That meant no one was expected to be totally dominate and there were 4 that could put a run together. After the OOC slate is done I think most would agree UCLA is the runaway favorite. I only even mention Arizona as a possibility because they haven't been ruled out yet.

The road to the BCS will go through UCLA in the CCG for whoever wins the north as it stands now until proven otherwise.

That's a fair assessment. That game debunked any lofty expectations some fans had of a Rose Bowl. Only way that would ever happen now is if we somehow go undefeated the rest of the way and the north winner goes to the national championship game. The realistic best case scenario right now is to win the south and go to the Alamo Bowl.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

You'll win by at least 10 points. Nobody realizes how much Matt Scott meant to that team last year. He led the conference in yards per game by a large margin. Carey is a stud and their line is solid but with a decimated WR corps and an inaccurate QB it will be easy to stack the box on them. And their defense is still their defense. Too undersized and too thin to keep up with the tempo of the game for 4 quarters.

I actually agree with you. Our pass game isn't proven, and neither is our defense but our run game is elite and losing Austin Hill to injury really, really hurt our WR corps. Denker can run though and make things happen so we aren't as one dimensional as you'd think but this will be our first true test.

I'm hoping to at least make it competitive and to have a shot to win the game in the 4th. Washington is going to want payback from last year no doubt.

 

[asu_08]

“I can’t make any excuses,” Sun Devils coach Todd Graham said. “We didn’t have our guys ready to play. We played a championship level team and we got blown off the field in the first half and we had some inexcusable mistakes.
“I apologized to the kids. I felt like we did a poor job of preparing them.”
“I’m sorry [the fans] had to see a team that wasn’t prepared like that.”

At least Graham realizes is a big part of the poor play the last two weeks. He's done great things for the program in just a year by eliminating the penalties, doubling class attendance, and revitalizing a fanbase that had about given up on the team, but I'm starting to lose faith in his in game coaching ability.

It seemed like he was overcorrecting for some of the mistakes he made against Wisconsin. Having our freshman kicker kick a 45 yard field goal on 4th and 1 and pooch punting it on 4th and 5 when we're down 4 possessions goes against the identity that he established in year 1.

I give him all the credit in the world for getting the team to play their heart out in that second half and make Stanford sweat for a few minutes but there is no excuse for that first half performance. That is completely on the coaching staff.

 

[JahiiCarson_SqodGeneral]

UW will blow you guys out it wont be a good game lol.

 

[JahiiCarson_SqodGeneral]

UW please kick there asses please!

 

[JahiiCarson_SqodGeneral]

ASU has the same problem as last year. We cant run the ball which kills us in away games, we also have lost our great pass rush from last season Sutton is to fat now.

 

[asu_08]

ASU has the same problem as last year. We cant run the ball which kills us in away games, we also have lost our great pass rush from last season Sutton is to fat now.

Last year we were top 25 in running yards per game and somewhere in the 80s in passing yards. Right now we're #8 in passing yards and 107 in running yards.

 

[JahiiCarson_SqodGeneral]

Last year we were top 25 in running yards per game and somewhere in the 80s in passing yards. Right now we're #8 in passing yards and 107 in running yards.

We were 25th in running yards we racked up yards vs bad teams, im saying about the games where we lost 3 in a row.

 

[yeodonie]

UW please kick there asses please!

No. Go Cats

 

[JahiiCarson_SqodGeneral]

I wish we got Westerman eligible this year

 

[WizardHawk]

No. Go Cats

I would think if you really hated us as much as it appears you do that you would want UW to beat Arizona and Stanford before our meeting at Husky stadium. I mean with your obsession over us wouldn't you rather we build our hopes up only to have them crushed? I mean that's your wet dream isn't it? Just saying. If you are going to be all infatuated with us why be all pussy about it.

 

[trojanfan12]

people writing Oregon off as if they will do this year what they have previous years.

Past behavior is a pretty good predictor of future behavior!!