So let's say Wisconsin wins the Big 10 Championship

[The Oldtimer]

obviously, it is important. otherwise we wouldn't even be having this conversation and PSU would have no shot at getting in.

Very true.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If you're talking about Pitt, they also beat Clemson in Death Valley, which only proves one thing: that college football is wild as shit.

Ohio State has had their appearance in the playoffs. Step aside.

So since have already been in the playoff they don't get a chance even if they are one of the best 4....well that logic is flawed

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

and they took a currently ranked team behind the woodshed and embarrassed them on national TV

Maryland?

 

[Tharvot]

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Cowboys look likely to win the NFC east, so your attempt to move the finish line will be ignored.

Giving an example of how short sighted your comment is. Michigan won the head to head vs PSU, lost the same number of games as PSU and played a much more difficult schedule. Michigan's resume is far better.

But Michigan isn't the B1G East rep, PSU is. They simply lost to the wrong teams, just like Ohio State did.

Winning a conference championship is nice. The committee likes it because it adds another quality win on the champ's resume. It's not the be-all end-all though, especially when you have divisions and uneven schedules.

Hypothetical: Alabama loses to Florida in the SECCG. Do you think suddenly Florida is more deserving to go to the playoff than Alabama is?

 

[Shanemansj13]

Why is it so hard for fans to realize that Penn State beat Ohio State and won the BIG 10 East division? If winning a major conference division and getting the chance to play in their CCG is not important, then get rid of all college divisions and just schedule whatever team you want every year.

Why is it so hard to realize that is was a very close loss where Ohio St dominated. A loss is a loss but you do realize Ohio St has the better resume and 1 less loss. You are avoiding key factors and saying "they won the conference and they will be in". That doesn't mean they are one of the best 4 in the nation. Plain and simple.

And to point out, they might get rid of divisions but the committee said this before the CFP was formed, "A team doesn't have to win their conference to be one of the best four teams"...so the guidelines have already been determined.

 

[The Oldtimer]

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Cowboys look likely to win the NFC east, so your attempt to move the finish line will be ignored.

Not only that but the NFL counts the out of division wins and losses as part of their record. College football doesn't count an OOC lose or win as part of their conference record. Both Penn State and Ohio State finished at 8-1 in the BIG 10 Conference and 5-1 in the BIG 10 East division. Penn State beat Ohio State and win the tiebreaker and won the BIG 10 East division.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Why is it so hard to realize that is was a very close loss where Ohio St dominated. A loss is a loss but you do realize Ohio St has the better resume and 1 less loss. You are avoiding key factors and saying "they won the conference and they will be in". That doesn't mean they are one of the best 4 in the nation. Plain and simple.

And to point out, they might get rid of divisions but the committee said this before the CFP was formed, "A team doesn't have to win their conference to be one of the best four teams"...so the guidelines have already been determined.

What? Penn State beat Ohio State this season, PERIOD!! It doesn't mean that Ohio State is one of the 4 best teams in the nation this year. Maybe they are, but let the committee decide.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think OSU is better, but that is just my opinion. This check the resumes blindly meme is retarded. They played each other and are in the same division. Things like SOS and S&P+ ratings are great. We use them, because there is very little overlap among P5 teams. We dont need to do that in this circumstances and it seems completely ridiculous to say "to compare the teams fairly, you need to ignore the head to head data and focus on the tertiary information." Could you imagine scientists saying something like that?

Nobody is ignoring the head-to-head but to say Penn St is the better team AND one of the best four in the nation because they won a head-to-head against Ohio St at home with a week to prepare after Ohio St played a top 10 team in OT is not a huge point in putting Penn St above Ohio St. A win is a win but you have to take every into question. This is probably 3rd or 4th on the list.

1a Conference championship
1b Resume-SOS
2 record and outcome vs similar opponents
3. head-to-head

They have already proved with the TCU-Baylor situation that head-to-head (especially if is a very close loss where the losing team looked better) doesn't have a huge factor in their voting.

 

[Shanemansj13]

What? Penn State beat Ohio State this season, PERIOD!! It doesn't mean that Ohio State is one of the 4 best teams in the nation this year. Maybe they are, but let the committee decide.

Umm...that's exactly what will happen

We are debating it, that's all this is lol

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

So since have already been in the playoff they don't get a chance even if they are one of the best 4....well that logic is flawed

Forgot to mention: Ohio also sucks DICK

 

[Tharvot]

Nobody is ignoring the head-to-head but to say Penn St is the better team AND one of the best four in the nation because they won a head-to-head against Ohio St at home with a week to prepare after Ohio St played a top 10 team in OT is not a huge point in putting Penn St above Ohio St. A win is a win but you have to take every into question. This is probably 3rd or 4th on the list.

1a Conference championship
1b Resume-SOS
2 record and outcome vs similar opponents
3. head-to-head

They have already proved with the TCU-Baylor situation that head-to-head (especially if is a very close loss where the losing team looked better) doesn't have a huge factor in their voting.

Not a great example there. They actually bumped Baylor in front of TCU in the final rankings.

 

[Tharvot]

Forgot to mention: Ohio also sucks DICK

poor bobcats.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Maryland?

Gotta love your avi.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Umm...that's exactly what will happen

We are debating it, that's all this is lol

Good luck with that.

 

[Codaxx]

Giving an example of how short sighted your comment is. Michigan won the head to head vs PSU, lost the same number of games as PSU and played a much more difficult schedule. Michigan's resume is far better.

But Michigan isn't the B1G East rep, PSU is. They simply lost to the wrong teams, just like Ohio State did.

Winning a conference championship is nice. The committee likes it because it adds another quality win on the champ's resume. It's not the be-all end-all though, especially when you have divisions and uneven schedules.

Hypothetical: Alabama loses to Florida in the SECCG. Do you think suddenly Florida is more deserving to go to the playoff than Alabama is?

If your only defense is to say things like "you have to ignore the information and look at a blind comparison without names" or silly scenarios, than clearly you are not doing well. I can not see anyway OSU gets in over PSU, if PSU wins the Big 10. It is possible, but based on everything the committee has said it would shock the hell out of me. Keep in mind I think PSU is over-rated and OSU is the better team.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If you want to know who is getting into the playoff. Watch the CFP rankings tomorrow.

Alabama and OSU are givens. They have two spots locked up.

That leaves two spots -- If Clemson and Washington win, you have your 4 teams right there.

If one or both lose -- it will be a free for all and the rankings tomorrow will pretty much tell you what will happen.
IMO, If PSU or Wisconsin doesn't jump UM -- they aren't getting into the CFP no matter what. Same with Colorado, though a convincing win over Washington could change that.

 

[Codaxx]

Nobody is ignoring the head-to-head but to say Penn St is the better team AND one of the best four in the nation because they won a head-to-head against Ohio St at home with a week to prepare after Ohio St played a top 10 team in OT is not a huge point in putting Penn St above Ohio St. A win is a win but you have to take every into question. This is probably 3rd or 4th on the list.

1a Conference championship
1b Resume-SOS
2 record and outcome vs similar opponents
3. head-to-head

They have already proved with the TCU-Baylor situation that head-to-head (especially if is a very close loss where the losing team looked better) doesn't have a huge factor in their voting.

Committee moved Baylor ahead of TCU in the final rankings, so there is proof and it is that the committee thinks it is important.

their factors are likely

1. Conference Championship
2. head to head (this could be 1 based on Baylor/TCU results)
3. SOS

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If your only defense is to say things like "you have to ignore the information and look at a blind comparison without names" or silly scenarios, than clearly you are not doing well. I can not see anyway OSU gets in over PSU, if PSU wins the Big 10. It is possible, but based on everything the committee has said it would shock the hell out of me.

PSU isn't getting in ahead of OSU. No chance with two losses. And with one loss being 49-10 to UM, I'd wager PSU doesn't even jump UM tomorrow.

It isn't as much that it is PSU, it is how they lost to UM. 39 points and outgained 515 to 190. Tough to argue you are better. While they did upset OSU, it was just that. An upset -- they were dominated through the game but couldn't get it done.

If PSU hadn't lost to Pitt. They'd be ranked ahead of OSU, but it happened.

 

[The Oldtimer]

If you want to know who is getting into the playoff. Watch the CFP rankings tomorrow.

Alabama and OSU are givens. They have two spots locked up.

That leaves two spots -- If Clemson and Washington win, you have your 4 teams right there.

If one or both lose -- it will be a free for all and the rankings tomorrow will pretty much tell you what will happen.
IMO, If PSU or Wisconsin doesn't jump UM -- they aren't getting into the CFP no matter what. Same with Colorado, though a convincing win over Washington could change that.

LOL, you sound so sure, maybe you should hop a flight to Vegas.

 

[Tharvot]

If your only defense is to say things like "you have to ignore the information and look at a blind comparison without names" or silly scenarios, than clearly you are not doing well. I can not see anyway OSU gets in over PSU, if PSU wins the Big 10. It is possible, but based on everything the committee has said it would shock the hell out of me. Keep in mind I think PSU is over-rated and OSU is the better team.

I think it would be difficult too, given the committee's history. There's a better chance both PSU and Ohio State get in and Washington gets left home. Then the discussion will turn to scheduling quality ooc opponents.