Second cup of Coffee Talk

[jstewismybastardson]

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

It seems like most of the power has been restored and they likely have enough resources to get the rest done as it becomes possible:

http://www.elp.com/articles/2017/09...ly-seeing-daylight-in-harvey-restoration.html

 

[dash]

Texas with a WWE heel turn?!?

 

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[forty_three]

Good read:

When I Filmed Sheriff Joe Arpaio, He Was Cooperative and Horrifying

I kind of want and kind of don't want to see that film.

 

[thedddd]

Trump Visits Victims of Hurricane Harvey

$120 Billion....wonder if that weasel Cruz will vote against this bill due to all the pork spending (IE...oh something like a wall that might get snuck in there)?

Seriously though it all should go to the people but it won't.
Hell Tyler Perry gave a million dollars and still gave a quarter of it to, of all people, Joel Osteen!

Tyler Perry gives $1 million to Hurricane Harvey relief — including $250,000 to Joel Osteen’s church

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Monty Python taught me to have a healthy respect for møøse bites, but fuck me if it wasn't still terrifying to hit one in a car!

 

[jstewismybastardson]

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Hilary Clinton is the incurable form of gonorrhea the Democratic Party just cannot rid itself of.

 

[forty_three]

A millionaire televangelist whose church closed during Hurricane Harvey tells victims not to have "poor me" attitude

 

[elocomotive]

(snicker)

 

[forty_three]

These Two Men Who Grew Up Undocumented Died Trying To Save Harvey Flood Victims

 

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You said it Joe...

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

A lot of this outrage is premature. Congress has 6 months to figure this out, and are very aware that deporting this many people at one time will a) be unpopular and b) be very expensive.

If they come up with a way to solve this and give the DACA’ers some form of PR or a path to citizenship I don’t see how this is a bad thing other than the fact it’s Donald Trump doing it. Sounds a lot like the immigration reform “racism” cries last month when the White House proposed changes to help America’s immigration policies catch up with Canada, the UK, Australia and the rest of the modern world.

I get we don't like the guy but if you shit on every single thing he does, even when it's somewhat rational, all we're gonna do is drown out important voices when they really do something terrible because the outrage becomes routine.

 

[forty_three]

A lot of this outrage is premature. Congress has 6 months to figure this out, and are very aware that deporting this many people at one time will a) be unpopular and b) be very expensive.

If they come up with a way to solve this and give the DACA’ers some form of PR or a path to citizenship I don’t see how this is a bad thing other than the fact it’s Donald Trump doing it. Sounds a lot like the immigration reform “racism” cries last month when the White House proposed changes to help America’s immigration policies catch up with Canada, the UK, Australia and the rest of the modern world.

I get we don't like the guy but if you shit on every single thing he does, even when it's somewhat rational, all we're gonna do is drown out important voices when they really do something terrible because the outrage becomes routine.

Excellent point about outrage becoming routine, but to me the issue with this is there is no apparent reason to do it other than simply reversing every idea that Obama had.

To me, this looks like taking away a system that protects these people for spite and then telling Congress to come up with a way to protect these people in six months. We have a system, fix it if it's broken. Don't eliminate it and start over.

He isn't governing, he's trying to get revenge on a guy who insulted him at the correspondent's dinner. It doesn't seem to be an interest in governing, only dictating. At all costs.

 

[forty_three]

A much more articulate and intelligent person than I weighs in:

READ: Obama's full statement on DACA - CNNPolitics

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Excellent point about outrage becoming routine, but to me the issue with this is there is no apparent reason to do it other than simply reversing every idea that Obama had.

To me, this looks like taking away a system that protects these people for spite and then telling Congress to come up with a way to protect these people in six months. We have a system, fix it if it's broken. Don't eliminate it and start over.

He isn't governing, he's trying to get revenge on a guy who insulted him at the correspondent's dinner. It doesn't seem to be an interest in governing, only dictating. At all costs.

Obviously, the "erase everything Obama did" trope is real and plays a part but, frankly, if Congress can't work something out in 6 freakin months then they're every bit as useless as they're made out to be. It's plenty of time to get this taken care of.

 

[thedddd]

Obviously, the "erase everything Obama did" trope is real and plays a part but, frankly, if Congress can't work something out in 6 freakin months then they're every bit as useless as they're made out to be. It's plenty of time to get this taken care of.

They proved that the last six years in their total "operation shutdown mode" I doubt they even know how to accomplish anything anymore.
Congress wants to pass the bridge act to give them 3 more years to enact on a permanent solution but then the President and the ultra conservatives support the Raise act that will include funding for the wall and restrict legal immigration.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

They proved that the last six years in their total "operation shutdown mode" I doubt they even know how to accomplish anything anymore.
Congress wants to pass the bridge act to give them 3 more years to enact on a permanent solution but then the President and the ultra conservatives support the Raise act that will include funding for the wall and restrict legal immigration.

So? If the wall's gonna happen, just do it. At this point, when illegal immigration is at a low anyway, let them have their god damn wall. It was a major campaign promise, people voted for it, and in a couple of years the Dems get to tar and feather the Republicans by asking where that cheque from Mexico is.

It's still better than kicking the can down the road when it comes to DACA'ers, which, surprise, is why Obama had to enact an EO anyway after a Democratic congress couldn't pass actual legislation to protect these people in the first place (DREAM Act - Wikipedia)

 

[thedddd]

So? If the wall's gonna happen, just do it. At this point, when illegal immigration is at a low anyway, let them have their god damn wall. It was a major campaign promise, people voted for it, and in a couple of years the Dems get to tar and feather the Republicans by asking where that cheque from Mexico is.

It's still better than kicking the can down the road when it comes to DACA'ers, which, surprise, is why Obama had to enact an EO anyway after a Democratic congress couldn't pass actual legislation to protect these people in the first place (DREAM Act - Wikipedia)

So....This is the point why nothing will get done. Using this to push the wall through just proves the point.