ravens post game haskins blows

[Breed]

Haskins is not good for the team right now. Its just an opinion Allen would be better. To throw the season just to develop Haskins in a winnable division is a slap in the face to fans who want to see the team win. You obviously don't want to see the team win. What did we find out about haskins last Sunday? He can throw WR screens, take ill advised sacks, 4th and goal didn't throw it in the endzone, and be inaccurate. But he is developing, so he gets a free pass for the season. Just hand him the job b/c of his draft status. this guy hasn't shown anything right now. I hope it changes. I do route for the guy but what I see on the field is not even average. Why am i a hater if i want to see the team win?

I don't mean for this to come off as a dickhead move, but I'm beginning to question your intelligence as a football fan. I'm not advocating that Haskins continue to play because of any of the reasons you state. I'm doing so because I feel he's a very talented player at the the QB position who's also extremely raw. I could be wrong, but I believe I've seen enough that if he's handled right, that if things fall the right way. He could develop into a legitimate top tier starting QB capable of solidifying the position for us n leading the Skins for a decade, perhaps longer. For myself and I'm sure for others, the reason we continue drawing comparisons to Josh Allen is because he was in a similar position with the Bills. And similar to Allen. Haskins needs to be allowed to make mistakes, to have bad games, to have a terrible game even. There's a lot going against him at present. Chiefly the lack of talent at the offensive skilled positions and on the OL. As well as his own rawness/inexperience. And by handled right I mean there are gonna be times when he needs a good kick in the ass. There where be other times though when he will need to be coddled. He also needs to stay healthy, but above everything or at least on par with staying healthy. He needs to be able to continue playing.

Now you may disagree with everything I've said concerning Haskins. You may even question my football intelligence for believing the things I do about Haskins. If that's the case, cool. I'm a big boy. You wouldn't be the first to call me an idiot on a football fan message board and you won't be the last. But please stop throwing this winnable division bullshit up as some valid rationale as to why you want Haskins benched. I don't believe you or any other Skins fan that wants Haskins benched. Wants that because of a chance the Skins can win the shitty division they play in. If that really is the case. That's some ass backwards, nonsensical, short-sighted as fuck bullshit reasoning. I'd rather you just be honest and say, I don't think Haskins has the goods to lead the Skins out of a paper bag with the bottom torn out. I can respect that.

Far as not wanting to see the Skins win. Of course I want to see them win. I just don't see going 6-10, 7-9 or 8-8 and winning a crappy division then getting ass paddled out of the playoffs in the first rd as truly winning. I'd much rather take some lumps now and even next year. For the opportunity, for the possibly even, that it will make Haskins a legitimate QB and the Skins a legit team capable of winning the division, as well as a 1st rd playoff game and beyond.

 

[skinsdad62]

He knows the offense better and will be a better decision maker. Not true if you bench Haskins. How is it sacrificing team development if we win with Allen? We could compete for the decision this year. Why not give us the best chance to win.

Allen didn’t win in this offense last season . And of course if you bench Haskins it’s over . Allen wasn’t a great decision maker in the first place , the best chance to win is with Haskins not Allen

 

[skinsdad62]

I don't mean for this to come off as a dickhead move, but I'm beginning to question your intelligence as a football fan. I'm not advocating that Haskins continue to play because of any of the reasons you state. I'm doing so because I feel he's a very talented player at the the QB position who's also extremely raw. I could be wrong, but I believe I've seen enough that if he's handled right, that if things fall the right way. He could develop into a legitimate top tier starting QB capable of solidifying the position for us n leading the Skins for a decade, perhaps longer. For myself and I'm sure for others, the reason we continue drawing comparisons to Josh Allen is because he was in a similar position with the Bills. And similar to Allen. Haskins needs to be allowed to make mistakes, to have bad games, to have a terrible game even. There's a lot going against him at present. Chiefly the lack of talent at the offensive skilled positions and on the OL. As well as his own rawness/inexperience. And by handled right I mean there are gonna be times when he needs a good kick in the ass. There where be other times though when he will need to be coddled. He also needs to stay healthy, but above everything or at least on par with staying healthy. He needs to be able to continue playing.

Now you may disagree with everything I've said concerning Haskins. You may even question my football intelligence for believing the things I do about Haskins. If that's the case, cool. I'm a big boy. You wouldn't be the first to call me an idiot on a football fan message board and you won't be the last. But please stop throwing this winnable division bullshit up as some valid rationale as to why you want Haskins benched. I don't believe you or any other Skins fan that wants Haskins benched. Wants that because of a chance the Skins can win the shitty division they play in. If that really is the case. That's some ass backwards, nonsensical, short-sighted as fuck bullshit reasoning. I'd rather you just be honest and say, I don't think Haskins has the goods to lead the Skins out of a paper bag with the bottom torn out. I can respect that.

Far as not wanting to see the Skins win. Of course I want to see them win. I just don't see going 6-10, 7-9 or 8-8 and winning a crappy division then getting ass paddled out of the playoffs in the first rd as truly winning. I'd much rather take some lumps now and even next year. For the opportunity, for the possibly even, that it will make Haskins a legitimate QB and the Skins a legit team capable of winning the division, as well as a 1st rd playoff game and beyond.

Dean has picked another guy to hate , that is all .

 

[j_y19]

Allen didn’t win in this offense last season . And of course if you bench Haskins it’s over . Allen wasn’t a great decision maker in the first place , the best chance to win is with Haskins not Allen

Exactly right. There is no real evidence that Allen can move this offense and score any better than Haskins. Playing, and teaching, Haskins is not wanting to lose, it's wanting to finally build a competitive team the right way, and that is through development of your young players. Benching Haskins now is that same old philosophy that we have been using the last 20 years. How has that worked out? Give Haskins the season. We will have a much better understanding of him at that point. If he isn't improving, then we are probably in a good position to land a top notch QB in the draft next year.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I think there are some important points that have been skipped over a bit in the ‘In RR we trust’ camp at all costs.

There is patience and then there is smart patience which understands that this is NO longer a 3 year rebuild league. This is where I differ from SkinsDad. I believe the days of his incredibly well thought out 3 yr plan (which is very valid if you have all the time in the world) for rebuild are long gone...Sadly just doesn’t have a place in today’s NFL, where we’ve seen a bunch of franchises turn it around in a year by going from worst to first. That IS the new expectation. 3 year patience is an unrealistic expectation for ANY fan base in today’s environment and genera5ion of football fan. JMHO

Add to that:

1) because of no preseason, there was no comparison of Allen and DH in training camp for assessment. RR has made no secret of the fact he WANTED a QB competition at training camp.

2) after 4 games (covid year training camp arguably) we are moving into the 2nd quarter mark of the season, in a historically weak division that apparently reminds RR of his Carolina team that made a play off run (1and done, I think but SB bound Team shortly thereafter IIRC)

3)Mixed messages from RR in pressers regarding backing DH, then challenging him in very public ways, etc.

4) RRs health

With a weak NFCE, what will RR decide? Reality is RR has a tricky job of juggling and balancing: his locker room that has a bunch of competitive good young guns who want and deserve to win, fans who want and deserve some semblance of a season ( im not on board with a YEAR long training camp personally. But absolutely willing to be patient as long as I see a COMPETIVE, winning FB mentality product on the field ) and growing a team, with a QB he didn’t choose.

Also our Owner, and fans who always lack patience.

And a Covid year.

Sheesh, I don’t envy him.

 

[deanpet21]

Dean has picked another guy to hate , that is all .

Im not hating. IMO he doesn't give us the best chance to win right now.

 

[deanpet21]

I don't mean for this to come off as a dickhead move, but I'm beginning to question your intelligence as a football fan. I'm not advocating that Haskins continue to play because of any of the reasons you state. I'm doing so because I feel he's a very talented player at the the QB position who's also extremely raw. I could be wrong, but I believe I've seen enough that if he's handled right, that if things fall the right way. He could develop into a legitimate top tier starting QB capable of solidifying the position for us n leading the Skins for a decade, perhaps longer. For myself and I'm sure for others, the reason we continue drawing comparisons to Josh Allen is because he was in a similar position with the Bills. And similar to Allen. Haskins needs to be allowed to make mistakes, to have bad games, to have a terrible game even. There's a lot going against him at present. Chiefly the lack of talent at the offensive skilled positions and on the OL. As well as his own rawness/inexperience. And by handled right I mean there are gonna be times when he needs a good kick in the ass. There where be other times though when he will need to be coddled. He also needs to stay healthy, but above everything or at least on par with staying healthy. He needs to be able to continue playing.

Now you may disagree with everything I've said concerning Haskins. You may even question my football intelligence for believing the things I do about Haskins. If that's the case, cool. I'm a big boy. You wouldn't be the first to call me an idiot on a football fan message board and you won't be the last. But please stop throwing this winnable division bullshit up as some valid rationale as to why you want Haskins benched. I don't believe you or any other Skins fan that wants Haskins benched. Wants that because of a chance the Skins can win the shitty division they play in. If that really is the case. That's some ass backwards, nonsensical, short-sighted as fuck bullshit reasoning. I'd rather you just be honest and say, I don't think Haskins has the goods to lead the Skins out of a paper bag with the bottom torn out. I can respect that.

Far as not wanting to see the Skins win. Of course I want to see them win. I just don't see going 6-10, 7-9 or 8-8 and winning a crappy division then getting ass paddled out of the playoffs in the first rd as truly winning. I'd much rather take some lumps now and even next year. For the opportunity, for the possibly even, that it will make Haskins a legitimate QB and the Skins a legit team capable of winning the division, as well as a 1st rd playoff game and beyond.

Why wouldn't you take 8-8 and a possible playoff win? That would be a big step for this organization. Im being honest I dont like what i see from Haskins RIGHT NOW. You can blame the oline and supporting staff but he is inaccurate and makes bad decisions at key moments. His numbers were inflated Sunday b/c of screen passes. Allen knows this offense better and will give us the better chance to win right now. Just my opinion. You can always put DH back in to develop if we are eliminated from playoff contention.

So you think RR will not bench DH at all this season?

 

[skinsdad62]

Im not hating. IMO he doesn't give us the best chance to win right now.

its hating when you reject when he plays well and and dismiss it

 

[skinsdad62]

Why wouldn't you take 8-8 and a possible playoff win? That would be a big step for this organization. Im being honest I dont like what i see from Haskins RIGHT NOW. You can blame the oline and supporting staff but he is inaccurate and makes bad decisions at key moments. His numbers were inflated Sunday b/c of screen passes. Allen knows this offense better and will give us the better chance to win right now. Just my opinion. You can always put DH back in to develop if we are eliminated from playoff contention.

So you think RR will not bench DH at all this season?

this is what i am talking about when i talk about dismissing his game . the job of a qb is to put the ball in the hands of his PLAYMAKERS . 2 of his best playmakers are AG and JD both RBS . it makes sense to do that . it isnt a talking point to besmirch him

there is no evidence that allen is the best for the team right now "because he knows the offense ". its pure speculation and if he was better he would have beaten haskins out

what he did do in this offense isnt any better then what haskins offers . and he had better weapons in carolina

if we are going to get 8 wins now then haskins is the guy to do it and the one that has to

this idea that if allen fails means you can put in haskins and he will be the franchise guy is plain foolishness . come on it means he isnt your guy and the guy isnt on the roster

 

[Shanemansj13]

Im not hating. IMO he doesn't give us the best chance to win right now.

I don't think Allen gives you the best chance to win and I also don't think he is the future...so not sure how this helps the Redskins in the future. Why start a guy that isn't the future when you just drafted a guy last year in the 1st and hasn't been given a real chance?

Allen in 13 starts last year: 5-8 record, 62%, 19 total TD's, 23 total TO's -- sacked 46 times total
Haskins in 11 starts this year: 3-8 record, 61%, 13 total TD's, 10 total TO's -- sacked 38 times total

I'm not sure how Allen is better especially if you factor in all the TO's (more than double)...he is likely a worse option.

Carolina also had the best RB in the league to take pressure off of him plus DJ Moore. They had a mediocre OL but a better OL than the Redskins currently with better much weapons. Haskins has McLaurin and that's basically it at this point, along with young players around him.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think there are some important points that have been skipped over a bit in the ‘In RR we trust’ camp at all costs.

There is patience and then there is smart patience which understands that this is NO longer a 3 year rebuild league. This is where I differ from SkinsDad. I believe the days of his incredibly well thought out 3 yr plan (which is very valid if you have all the time in the world) for rebuild are long gone...Sadly just doesn’t have a place in today’s NFL, where we’ve seen a bunch of franchises turn it around in a year by going from worst to first. That IS the new expectation. 3 year patience is an unrealistic expectation for ANY fan base in today’s environment and genera5ion of football fan. JMHO

Add to that:

1) because of no preseason, there was no comparison of Allen and DH in training camp for assessment. RR has made no secret of the fact he WANTED a QB competition at training camp.

2) after 4 games (covid year training camp arguably) we are moving into the 2nd quarter mark of the season, in a historically weak division that apparently reminds RR of his Carolina team that made a play off run (1and done, I think but SB bound Team shortly thereafter IIRC)

3)Mixed messages from RR in pressers regarding backing DH, then challenging him in very public ways, etc.

4) RRs health

With a weak NFCE, what will RR decide? Reality is RR has a tricky job of juggling and balancing: his locker room that has a bunch of competitive good young guns who want and deserve to win, fans who want and deserve some semblance of a season ( im not on board with a YEAR long training camp personally. But absolutely willing to be patient as long as I see a COMPETIVE, winning FB mentality product on the field ) and growing a team, with a QB he didn’t choose.

Also our Owner, and fans who always lack patience.

And a Covid year.

Sheesh, I don’t envy him.

this team has been horrible for 20 years

we have tried every short cut know to man and it ends up in the toilet

i dont know how you can change it in less then 3 years . i think its unrealistic to build a consistent winner (not the flash in the pan )

evaluation doesnt mean tank . it means you try to win but you see what you have

you have no choice but to gather your guys in year 2 . you can sign FA's with no cap and all you have is a draft . next year we have cap room and picks from 2 total drafts . the HC should have the guys he wants in his system . yr 2 the guys should gell and make a run

year 3 is validation , and you start making playoff appearance REGULARLY

dean wants a cheap flash in the pan playoff appearance without making sure our foundation is sound

you build through the draft and sign FA's under the age of 28 . thatn is how you maintain long term success

 

[Caliskinsfan]

this team has been horrible for 20 years

we have tried every short cut know to man and it ends up in the toilet

i dont know how you can change it in less then 3 years . i think its unrealistic to build a consistent winner (not the flash in the pan )

evaluation doesnt mean tank . it means you try to win but you see what you have

you have no choice but to gather your guys in year 2 . you can sign FA's with no cap and all you have is a draft . next year we have cap room and picks from 2 total drafts . the HC should have the guys he wants in his system . yr 2 the guys should gell and make a run

year 3 is validation , and you start making playoff appearance REGULARLY

dean wants a cheap flash in the pan playoff appearance without making sure our foundation is sound

you build through the draft and sign FA's under the age of 28 . thatn is how you maintain long term success

I agree with this as long as winning begins happening in year 2. And competitiveness and winning mentality begins from the get go.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

this team has been horrible for 20 years

Agreed. Doesn’t means it can’t turn around with the right coach, players and attitude. Oh, and Danny Boy has to step the F away from FB operations. Also I’d like to see a GM added. Think the duel role of coach/GM is a recipe for disaster for the long game.

 

[deanpet21]

its hating when you reject when he plays well and and dismiss it

Hep played well sunday? Average at best. What so hard about hitting screen passes. He had mental mistakes

 

[deanpet21]

this is what i am talking about when i talk about dismissing his game . the job of a qb is to put the ball in the hands of his PLAYMAKERS . 2 of his best playmakers are AG and JD both RBS . it makes sense to do that . it isnt a talking point to besmirch him

there is no evidence that allen is the best for the team right now "because he knows the offense ". its pure speculation and if he was better he would have beaten haskins out

what he did do in this offense isnt any better then what haskins offers . and he had better weapons in carolina

if we are going to get 8 wins now then haskins is the guy to do it and the one that has to

this idea that if allen fails means you can put in haskins and he will be the franchise guy is plain foolishness . come on it means he isnt your guy and the guy isnt on the roster

How was there a real QB competition? Plus there had to be pressure from Danny to play DH. Allen is further along mentally than DH b/c he played in this offense and Turner knows him better. Why would RR say there is a hook on DH if my point is so out of left field for you? b/c of this off season with covid and no pre season games the smarter play was to start Allen week 1 and see what he could do. If he failed after a month then you go to DH. The fans didn't want to hear that and neither did Danny. Again I want DH to succeed but I have seen nothing in 4 games. In a normal year I would agree and say start DH and ride him out but this is not a normal year b/c of the offseason and the division totally being crap. Did anyone have Dallas at 1-3 right now? they should be 0-4.

 

[deanpet21]

I don't think Allen gives you the best chance to win and I also don't think he is the future...so not sure how this helps the Redskins in the future. Why start a guy that isn't the future when you just drafted a guy last year in the 1st and hasn't been given a real chance?

Allen in 13 starts last year: 5-8 record, 62%, 19 total TD's, 23 total TO's -- sacked 46 times total
Haskins in 11 starts this year: 3-8 record, 61%, 13 total TD's, 10 total TO's -- sacked 38 times total

I'm not sure how Allen is better especially if you factor in all the TO's (more than double)...he is likely a worse option.

Carolina also had the best RB in the league to take pressure off of him plus DJ Moore. They had a mediocre OL but a better OL than the Redskins currently with better much weapons. Haskins has McLaurin and that's basically it at this point, along with young players around him.

b/c Allen knows the offense better and Haskins is really struggling mentally. In a weird year like this we could have a better chance of winning with Allen. In a normal year I would agree with you.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Hep played well sunday? Average at best. What so hard about hitting screen passes. He had mental mistakes

He played better and showed growth. Much improved ball security than the previous week. More accuracy. Pretty much what youd expect from a raw and developing QB.

What the heck did you expect....throwing deep a lot against the Ravens? Please.

The screens and slants against a good defense (which by the way he moved the ball pretty successfully with this) was the GAMEPLAN), a good strategy by Turner with a young QB.

Stop chasing the next shiny object.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Why start a guy that isn't the future when you just drafted a guy last year in the 1st and hasn't been given a real chance?

Cuz Deans gotta dean

 

[Breed]

Hep played well sunday? Average at best. What so hard about hitting screen passes. He had mental mistakes

Playing average last Sunday is a pretty big step up from how he played 2 Sundays ago, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Shanemansj13]

b/c Allen knows the offense better and Haskins is really struggling mentally. In a weird year like this we could have a better chance of winning with Allen. In a normal year I would agree with you.

But the point of my post is how much better? He is a turnover machine and that is in RR’s offense. I am not a huge Haskins fan and I’ve said before I think it would have helped him to sit for a couple years but they ate beyond that point now. Allen is not magically getting Wash from 4 to 8 wins. Like I said before I think it’s a push at best. That last thing you need is a turnover machine