Ravens picked up Dallas Clark

[JDM]

Right. The rest of your fans aren't blind. Why are you?

 

[cdumler7]

there is a difference between can't and doesn't.....Jones Doesn't go up and get the ball like Boldin but to say he can't is wrong.

If everybody in the NFL could do it then they would. Not everybody is as good at catching in traffic as others. That is why not every receiver can go across the middle or why some players quarterbacks can't just throw it up and hope they come down with it. There are speed receivers, possession receivers, Yards after the catch receivers, and a long list of other qualities. Very few receivers have all of the qualities (Calvin Johnson here is giving a shout out to you). If Jacoby Jones had the ability to go up and get the ball then with his speed he would be among the elite but he is not which should show right now all he has is speed. He has been known for his mediocre hands and more than once I have heard announcers call him out for not fighting for the ball. You can't teach that aggressive play style that a guy like Boldin has and you cannot completely coach up the elite ability to catch the ball like Boldin has. Yes they can work on catching the football and do different drills but some of it just really is instincts that a person is born with and Jacoby Jones just does not have it.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

If everybody in the NFL could do it then they would. Not everybody is as good at catching in traffic as others. That is why not every receiver can go across the middle or why some players quarterbacks can't just throw it up and hope they come down with it. There are speed receivers, possession receivers, Yards after the catch receivers, and a long list of other qualities. Very few receivers have all of the qualities (Calvin Johnson here is giving a shout out to you). If Jacoby Jones had the ability to go up and get the ball then with his speed he would be among the elite but he is not which should show right now all he has is speed. He has been known for his mediocre hands and more than once I have heard announcers call him out for not fighting for the ball. You can't teach that aggressive play style that a guy like Boldin has and you cannot completely coach up the elite ability to catch the ball like Boldin has. Yes they can work on catching the football and do different drills but some of it just really is instincts that a person is born with and Jacoby Jones just does not have it.

So Jones can't catch a jump ball...........i understand his hands may not be the best but i promise you he can catch a jump ball saying other wise is the epitome of ignorant.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

Right. The rest of your fans aren't blind. Why are you?

i haven't heard one Ravens fans say Joned can't catch a jump ball just the two butt hurt fans of the team the Ravens beat in the playoffs.

 

[JDM]

He can't catch a jump ball at a rate that you're not far more likely to get intercepted than have the pass caught. If you throw 100 jump balls to jacoby jones, 70 are intercepted, 25 hit the ground, and 5 get caught.

 

[cdumler7]

So Jones can't catch a jump ball...........i understand his hands may not be the best but i promise you he can catch a jump ball saying other wise is the epitome of ignorant.

Oh my goodness someone should pimp slap you and hope that it knocks some intelligence into that small brain of yours. Obviously anybody in the NFL can catch a jump ball. What we are talking about here is Jacoby Jones being able to do it at the rate that Boldin was able to. There are differences in a players ability to do different things. Obviously Boldin does not have the elite speed that Jacoby Jones has but then again Jacoby Jones does not have the route running or hands that Boldin has. In fact Jacoby Jones has at best mediocre hands. If he had any better then yes he would be a very good receiver in this league but the fact that he has all that speed yet in all of his years has yet to put up anything even remotely close to a good year as a receiver should show you that he is a return specialist that offers a little on special offensive packages. He is not a number 2 receiver in this league. There is a reason that even though the Texans desperately needed a number 2 receiver all those years that he was with the Texans that he was passed over and over again for guys and designated mostly to the return game roll. One of the most receiver needy teams in the league cut this guy!

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

He can't catch a jump ball at a rate that you're not far more likely to get intercepted than have the pass caught. If you throw 100 jump balls to jacoby jones, 70 are intercepted, 25 hit the ground, and 5 get caught.

i should have really paid attention to what it says just under your screen name ("Don't take me seriously") can't believe i just now saw that.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

Oh my goodness someone should pimp slap you and hope that it knocks some intelligence into that small brain of yours. Obviously anybody in the NFL can catch a jump ball. What we are talking about here is Jacoby Jones being able to do it at the rate that Boldin was able to. There are differences in a players ability to do different things. Obviously Boldin does not have the elite speed that Jacoby Jones has but then again Jacoby Jones does not have the route running or hands that Boldin has. In fact Jacoby Jones has at best mediocre hands. If he had any better then yes he would be a very good receiver in this league but the fact that he has all that speed yet in all of his years has yet to put up anything even remotely close to a good year as a receiver should show you that he is a return specialist that offers a little on special offensive packages. He is not a number 2 receiver in this league. There is a reason that even though the Texans desperately needed a number 2 receiver all those years that he was with the Texans that he was passed over and over again for guys and designated mostly to the return game roll. One of the most receiver needy teams in the league cut this guy!

No troll boy flat out said he can't, and now he is changing his tune.

 

[catchbluefish]

Dallas can't even seem to get much attention paid to him in a thread dedicated to him.

 

[JDM]

No troll boy flat out said he can't, and now he is changing his tune.

I'm still not a troll, and I'm still right. You said anyone can go up like Boldin. I said you're full of shit. You then tried to pull some semantic bullshit and pretend I meant he couldn't catch even one out of a million. I said he doesn't do what Boldin does. There's not all that many that do.

A jump ball to Jacoby Jones is a bad decision. Flacco would be torn up in the film room for doing so every single time. Harbaugh's not an idiot.

 

[cdumler7]

No troll boy flat out said he can't, and now he is changing his tune.

Even a 2 year old could theoretically jump up and make a catch...If you can't understand the idea that Jacoby Jones will never be known for his ability to go and catch a jump ball then we might as well end this conversation. As JDM pointed out in jump ball situations with Jacoby Jones it is more likely to be intercepted than actually caught by him because of his unwillingness to fight for the ball. This past preseason game was a great showing of that where he just stood there waiting for the ball to come to him instead of acting like a real receiver and actually going and getting the ball. This is why he is designated to be a deep ball specialist rather than an every down receiver. As an every down receiver he actually becomes a hindrance to the offense than a helper as teams will know that he just struggles with come back routes or going over the middle. Teams know they can limit what he can do because of his inability to catch the jump ball or be willing to take a hit over the middle to catch the football.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

I'm still not a troll, and I'm still right. You said anyone can go up like Boldin. I said you're full of shit. You then tried to pull some semantic bullshit and pretend I meant he couldn't catch even one out of a million. I said he doesn't do what Boldin does. There's not all that many that do.

A jump ball to Jacoby Jones is a bad decision. Flacco would be torn up in the film room for doing so every single time. Harbaugh's not an idiot.

The only difference in the two is how Boldin uses his bigger body to ward of the defender and has better hands. I think Jones has a higher vertical than Boldin. Other than that i don't know what is so different, that makes you think Jones can't catch a jump ball. Oh yea yes you're a troll.

 

[Money]

Even a 2 year old could theoretically jump up and make a catch...If you can't understand the idea that Jacoby Jones will never be known for his ability to go and catch a jump ball then we might as well end this conversation. As JDM pointed out in jump ball situations with Jacoby Jones it is more likely to be intercepted than actually caught by him because of his unwillingness to fight for the ball. This past preseason game was a great showing of that where he just stood there waiting for the ball to come to him instead of acting like a real receiver and actually going and getting the ball. This is why he is designated to be a deep ball specialist rather than an every down receiver. As an every down receiver he actually becomes a hindrance to the offense than a helper as teams will know that he just struggles with come back routes or going over the middle. Teams know they can limit what he can do because of his inability to catch the jump ball or be willing to take a hit over the middle to catch the football.

I have to agree here. Flacco's interception was actually a very well thrown ball. Jacoby was sluggish with his break and simply didn't fight for the ball. At worst, that should have been an incomplete pass. Those outs require a sharp break and then a high effort to come back a bit for the ball.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

Even a 2 year old could theoretically jump up and make a catch...If you can't understand the idea that Jacoby Jones will never be known for his ability to go and catch a jump ball then we might as well end this conversation. As JDM pointed out in jump ball situations with Jacoby Jones it is more likely to be intercepted than actually caught by him because of his unwillingness to fight for the ball. This past preseason game was a great showing of that where he just stood there waiting for the ball to come to him instead of acting like a real receiver and actually going and getting the ball. This is why he is designated to be a deep ball specialist rather than an every down receiver. As an every down receiver he actually becomes a hindrance to the offense than a helper as teams will know that he just struggles with come back routes or going over the middle. Teams know they can limit what he can do because of his inability to catch the jump ball or be willing to take a hit over the middle to catch the football.

That pass that was picked off wasn't a jump ball it was a ball Jones should have come back for.

 

[cdumler7]

The only difference in the two is how Boldin uses his bigger body to ward of the defender and has better hands. I think Jones has a higher vertical than Boldin. Other than that i don't know what is so different, that makes you think Jones can't catch a jump ball. Oh yea yes you're a troll.

Well the fact that up to this point in his career he has yet to do it could maybe be a reason? If he was so good at it or even had the ability even half the ability to do what Boldin did at catching jump balls don't you think he would be doing it in the NFL right now? Are NFL teams telling him hey I know you can go win these jump balls but lets not embarrass the Corners in the NFL and just stay back and don't do it?

If he can do what you say then why the hell is he not doing this? I mean seriously the dude could be a top receiver in the league yet chooses not to? That is pretty much what you are saying.

 

[JDM]

Ignore the basic evidence of the best of the best of his entire career not comparing all that favorably to just Boldin in the playoffs last year. Fine.

If anyone willing to be serious, I'll still be here.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

Well the fact that up to this point in his career he has yet to do it could maybe be a reason? If he was so good at it or even had the ability even half the ability to do what Boldin did at catching jump balls don't you think he would be doing it in the NFL right now? Are NFL teams telling him hey I know you can go win these jump balls but lets not embarrass the Corners in the NFL and just stay back and don't do it?

If he can do what you say then why the hell is he not doing this? I mean seriously the dude could be a top receiver in the league yet chooses not to? That is pretty much what you are saying.

I have no idea why he hasn't learned to come back to the ball or use his body and box out like he was taught rebounding a ball in basketball. I can't answer that question, but i think it's probably because he is scared to get hit while in the air.

 

[cdumler7]

That pass that was picked off wasn't a jump ball it was a ball Jones should have come back for.

Exactly though! He doesn't have the same level of fight to go get the ball. Just because somebody can run faster and jump higher than another individual does not mean that they can do just as well as somebody who actually knows how to use their body and hands in those situations where it is required. That is a skill that not all receivers are good at and well Jacoby Jones is one of them. Again he has the size and speed to be an elite receiver in this league but because he has mediocre hands, mediocre route running ability, and mediocre (at best) ability to mix it up with other players to go and make a play it ends up making him a mediocre receiver in this league. That out route was a perfect example. He had his guy beat big time if he makes a crisp cut and comes back for the ball. Instead he rounded out his out route giving away to the corner exactly what he was doing and then just sat on a spot waiting for the ball to come. Elite receivers heck even good receivers know on a comeback route of any kind you have to keep coming back towards the quarterback in order to make a play. In the NFL where windows are so small the receiver has to be able to help the quarterback not end up being a problem.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

Exactly though! He doesn't have the same level of fight to go get the ball. Just because somebody can run faster and jump higher than another individual does not mean that they can do just as well as somebody who actually knows how to use their body and hands in those situations where it is required. That is a skill that not all receivers are good at and well Jacoby Jones is one of them. Again he has the size and speed to be an elite receiver in this league but because he has mediocre hands, mediocre route running ability, and mediocre (at best) ability to mix it up with other players to go and make a play it ends up making him a mediocre receiver in this league. That out route was a perfect example. He had his guy beat big time if he makes a crisp cut and comes back for the ball. Instead he rounded out his out route giving away to the corner exactly what he was doing and then just sat on a spot waiting for the ball to come. Elite receivers heck even good receivers know on a comeback route of any kind you have to keep coming back towards the quarterback in order to make a play. In the NFL where windows are so small the receiver has to be able to help the quarterback not end up being a problem.

i'm not arguing he has the same fight and never have made that argument i'm just saying he has the talent to be like that if he wanted to but for some strange reason he doesn't.

 

[cdumler7]

i'm not arguing he has the same fight and never have made that argument i'm just saying he has the talent to be like that if he wanted to but for some strange reason he doesn't.

So essentially you are saying you are right in he is not the same player as Boldin but can do the things he can but chooses not to for some odd reason? So he can but won't. So that is like saying I can rob a bank but won't so either way it doesn't happen. When somebody uses words like "Can't" instead of "Won't" is where you seem to get hung up on. Even though they have different meanings does it really matter in the end if they both end up being the same result of him not going and making the jump ball catches and essentially making himself a one hit wonder of going deep?