politics thread

[Krusheasy]

i have a free month of WaPo access to give away if anyone is interested ?

 

[j_y19]

i have a free month of WaPo access to give away if anyone is interested ?

Sure. Ill take it if no one else wants it.

 

[reptec101]

May I chime in on the Sty and Gkekoa conversation. As you all may know, or have figured out, im as white as they come. Im also a fair, reasonable and logical man. In fact, I base my existance on it. On my tombstone it will read “Here lies a logical man who lived in an illogical world.” I lived many years and have come to appreciate animals more so than humans. Humans are heartless. We all, and I emphasize the word all, have a predjudice towards those who dont look like you,,, those who are not of your family,,, and even those not of your generation. Thats not what makes humans heartless.. that simply makes them human. People become heartless when those predjudices become personal.

Do I hate the look of pants below the ass? Damn right, but I hate that look on all groups of people. The reason I bring that simple example up is because im tired of being called a racist simply because im white. In fact, im tired of being told I have white priviledge because last I checked Ive been pulled over many times. I owed full tiition at a college for my white daughter. My neighbors (fantastic law abiding people) who again, live in the same affluent neighborhood, who have high paying jobs; recieved helped with their childs tuition from the state because of her color. How do I know this? Because im not ignorant... oh, and my daughter is freinds with theirs. Equality should start their wouldn't you agree? They’re are many poor white families who would love handouts, as well.

I understand, as much as my whiteness will allow; the frustrations of the african american people. Everyone understands the stereo-typical mistreatment that blacks have had to endure throughout our history at the hands of whites. I can promise you Sty that not all platation owners owning slaves were racist. You cant be born into a world of a specific time and be deemed as evil and vile as actual racist are simply because you are living the life handed you.

My point with this rant is that not all whites are racist. I don’t even believe Trump is a racist. He may be an asshole but he’s not a racist. He’s about america first. “Americans” first... regardless of race. Kaps message would have been better recieved had he did as the Cowboys did. Take a knee before the anthem and not during. You say its not a protest against america but the flag epitomizes everything America. Freedom, liberty and justice for all, and yes, blacks are included. I can promise you as well that 95 percent of police officers arent notching their belt loops with every black they have to kill. I can assure you it sickens them to have to take a life. I see so many FB vids of blacks being pulled over and giving the officer a rash of shit because of their rights. In my logical mind and reasoning, nobody, black, white, yellow, brown or indifferent, has any un-compliant right when being questioned by an officer. How ignorant does someone have to be to run from a cop, fight with a cop, or hold a video camera up to a cops face while being a.. well.. an un-compliant dick. Be compliant... and chances are youll recieve your warning or deserved ticket and youll live to see tomorrow. Nobody is more pissed off then me when being pulled over... but I put my hands on wheel.. be as nice and compliant as can be and hope for the best.
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Lastly, we’re not all Neo-nazis because we have these views. In fact, it is such a small percentage of whites who share their sentiment. Yes, these people are the true racist and should be called out. Blotted out if I had my way. Ill never understand the concept that blacks cant be racist. Theres hatred on both spectrums.. just for different reasons. I actually support the black lives matter movement. I can understand what they mean by the phrase, but their movement would have been better served to read “black lives matter too.” Just that simple notation added and many more whites would be empathetic to the cause. Much more. Because we all want equal treatment as humans, and deservedly so.

Until we as a people can come together, politically especially, but to the realization that evil is evil and good is good, no matter the color, we will never get anywhere.

Christ,, didnt realize I rambled for so long. Apologies.... now how bout dem Redskins!!

 

[reptec101]

For the record im not suggestion you have stated any of this... either of you two.. just my opinion only. Dont even get me started on the whole statue crap.

 

[Krusheasy]

Sure. Ill take it if no one else wants it.

sent you a private message

 

[Sharkinva]

May I chime in on the Sty and Gkekoa conversation. As you all may know, or have figured out, im as white as they come. Im also a fair, reasonable and logical man. In fact, I base my existance on it. On my tombstone it will read “Here lies a logical man who lived in an illogical world.” I lived many years and have come to appreciate animals more so than humans. Humans are heartless. We all, and I emphasize the word all, have a predjudice towards those who dont look like you,,, those who are not of your family,,, and even those not of your generation. Thats not what makes humans heartless.. that simply makes them human. People become heartless when those predjudices become personal.

Do I hate the look of pants below the ass? Damn right, but I hate that look on all groups of people. The reason I bring that simple example up is because im tired of being called a racist simply because im white. In fact, im tired of being told I have white priviledge because last I checked Ive been pulled over many times. I owed full tiition at a college for my white daughter. My neighbors (fantastic law abiding people) who again, live in the same affluent neighborhood, who have high paying jobs; recieved helped with their childs tuition from the state because of her color. How do I know this? Because im not ignorant... oh, and my daughter is freinds with theirs. Equality should start their wouldn't you agree? They’re are many poor white families who would love handouts, as well.

I understand, as much as my whiteness will allow; the frustrations of the african american people. Everyone understands the stereo-typical mistreatment that blacks have had to endure throughout our history at the hands of whites. I can promise you Sty that not all platation owners owning slaves were racist. You cant be born into a world of a specific time and be deemed as evil and vile as actual racist are simply because you are living the life handed you.

My point with this rant is that not all whites are racist. I don’t even believe Trump is a racist. He may be an asshole but he’s not a racist. He’s about america first. “Americans” first... regardless of race. Kaps message would have been better recieved had he did as the Cowboys did. Take a knee before the anthem and not during. You say its not a protest against america but the flag epitomizes everything America. Freedom, liberty and justice for all, and yes, blacks are included. I can promise you as well that 95 percent of police officers arent notching their belt loops with every black they have to kill. I can assure you it sickens them to have to take a life. I see so many FB vids of blacks being pulled over and giving the officer a rash of shit because of their rights. In my logical mind and reasoning, nobody, black, white, yellow, brown or indifferent, has any un-compliant right when being questioned by an officer. How ignorant does someone have to be to run from a cop, fight with a cop, or hold a video camera up to a cops face while being a.. well.. an un-compliant dick. Be compliant... and chances are youll recieve your warning or deserved ticket and youll live to see tomorrow. Nobody is more pissed off then me when being pulled over... but I put my hands on wheel.. be as nice and compliant as can be and hope for the best.
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Lastly, we’re not all Neo-nazis because we have these views. In fact, it is such a small percentage of whites who share their sentiment. Yes, these people are the true racist and should be called out. Blotted out if I had my way. Ill never understand the concept that blacks cant be racist. Theres hatred on both spectrums.. just for different reasons. I actually support the black lives matter movement. I can understand what they mean by the phrase, but their movement would have been better served to read “black lives matter too.” Just that simple notation added and many more whites would be empathetic to the cause. Much more. Because we all want equal treatment as humans, and deservedly so.

Until we as a people can come together, politically especially, but to the realization that evil is evil and good is good, no matter the color, we will never get anywhere.

Christ,, didnt realize I rambled for so long. Apologies.... now how bout dem Redskins!!

IM only going to make two (hopefully brief) Comments on this.

1. White privilege.... the term on the face is very misleading. Because its not so much about special treatment you get because you are white. But more about special treatment you do get because you are NOT black, latino or any thing other than white. It does exist. And while non whites may get special college programs, and even special programs to try and level the playing field. At the end of the day, even if you dont actively seek privilege, you do benefit from it in some way shape or form in this country even today.

2. Donald Trump is a racist. The concept of singling out one particular ethnic group to try and deport or ban from the country should tell one all they need to know on that front. When he screams we need to get the illegal immigrant problem under control, the first image to come to mind is this...

When this woman was in fact an illegal immigrant at some point

BUt she fits into what Americans SHOULD look like, so we arent going after those types.

 

[gkekoa]

IM only going to make two (hopefully brief) Comments on this.

1. White privilege.... the term on the face is very misleading. Because its not so much about special treatment you get because you are white. But more about special treatment you do get because you are NOT black, latino or any thing other than white. It does exist. And while non whites may get special college programs, and even special programs to try and level the playing field. At the end of the day, even if you dont actively seek privilege, you do benefit from it in some way shape or form in this country even today.

2. Donald Trump is a racist. The concept of singling out one particular ethnic group to try and deport or ban from the country should tell one all they need to know on that front. When he screams we need to get the illegal immigrant problem under control, the first image to come to mind is this...

When this woman was in fact an illegal immigrant at some point

BUt she fits into what Americans SHOULD look like, so we arent going after those types.

1- 14th Amendment

2- considering nearly 90% come from south of the border, that is why the first image to come to mind is the dude.

 

[gkekoa]

1- 14th Amendment

2- considering nearly 90% come from south of the border, that is why the first image to come to mind is the dude.

So Krusheasy, which part is BS?

 

[Krusheasy]

So Krusheasy, which part is BS?

your opinion that because the 14th amendment was ratified on July 28, 1868 it magically gave folks due process & eliminated any elite social status.

 

[reptec101]

IM only going to make two (hopefully brief) Comments on this.

1. White privilege.... the term on the face is very misleading. Because its not so much about special treatment you get because you are white. But more about special treatment you do get because you are NOT black, latino or any thing other than white. It does exist. And while non whites may get special college programs, and even special programs to try and level the playing field. At the end of the day, even if you dont actively seek privilege, you do benefit from it in some way shape or form in this country even today.

2. Donald Trump is a racist. The concept of singling out one particular ethnic group to try and deport or ban from the country should tell one all they need to know on that front. When he screams we need to get the illegal immigrant problem under control, the first image to come to mind is this...

When this woman was in fact an illegal immigrant at some point

BUt she fits into what Americans SHOULD look like, so we arent going after those types.

He only wants to ban those that are here illegally. Although I'm against him deporting those that have already established themselves here and breaking up families (as long as they don't have criminal records) (not suggesting all illegals do) I do wholly support him of no more illegals in this country until citizenship is obtained. Listen, you may be fully open-armed at the flooding of illegals entering this country but a country in chaos is not a healthy country. Where do illegals go when they get here? Family perhaps... friends...maybe on the streets... but how do they support themselves... the majority of them who aren't fortunate to have a place to go,, food to eat,, jobs to work at. Not suggesting they all turn to crime but many have to just to survive. However, that's not even the real issue at play. It's jobs that are being taking away for our children. Opportunities being taking away. Laws that are implemented to help these unfortunates at the expense of my child... your child. Yes, I believe Trump is not a racist just a realist who sees america first. Asshole yes,, racist no. Trump can't do right by the left like Obama couldn't do right by the right. That's where the division is that is ailing this country and keeping us divided. Fake news to make the other side look heartless is the real crime of being racist. Was there this much division between blacks and whites when Clinton was in office? When Bush 1 was in office? Reagan? Bush 2? Only when Network news shows came into existence and gain popularity of their respected parties did tension begin growing to the point we're at now. Realize that please.

Until party leaders get their heads out of the toilets and work together can america obtain equality. Same privilege for all that are here legally. We we're moving forward now we want to make amends and reparations overnight for the injustices that plague our nation. Ok,, being white does have it's benefits, but I'm not apologizing for being born white. I didn't set the rules. Don't take away from whites and give to others just to make amends. That's not fair. How about laws that give to each that need help. Education is free to everyone not just white people. Parent our children the importance of education. Because now that masses are flooding into our country opportunities have gone bye bye for everyone. Good luck getting a job and obtaining the life style that we on this forum no doubt enjoyed without a college degree that now cost upwards of $100,000 plus... that is, for those that have no help.

This world is so far gone I don't believe any president can fix it.

 

[Sharkinva]

He only wants to ban those that are here illegally. Although I'm against him deporting those that have already established themselves here and breaking up families (as long as they don't have criminal records) (not suggesting all illegals do) I do wholly support him of no more illegals in this country until citizenship is obtained. Listen, you may be fully open-armed at the flooding of illegals entering this country but a country in chaos is not a healthy country. Where do illegals go when they get here? Family perhaps... friends...maybe on the streets... but how do they support themselves... the majority of them who aren't fortunate to have a place to go,, food to eat,, jobs to work at. Not suggesting they all turn to crime but many have to just to survive. However, that's not even the real issue at play. It's jobs that are being taking away for our children. Opportunities being taking away. Laws that are implemented to help these unfortunates at the expense of my child... your child. Yes, I believe Trump is not a racist just a realist who sees america first. Asshole yes,, racist no. Trump can't do right by the left like Obama couldn't do right by the right. That's where the division is that is ailing this country and keeping us divided. Fake news to make the other side look heartless is the real crime of being racist. Was there this much division between blacks and whites when Clinton was in office? When Bush 1 was in office? Reagan? Bush 2? Only when Network news shows came into existence and gain popularity of their respected parties did tension begin growing to the point we're at now. Realize that please.

Until party leaders get their heads out of the toilets and work together can america obtain equality. Same privilege for all that are here legally. We we're moving forward now we want to make amends and reparations overnight for the injustices that plague our nation. Ok,, being white does have it's benefits, but I'm not apologizing for being born white. I didn't set the rules. Don't take away from whites and give to others just to make amends. That's not fair. How about laws that give to each that need help. Education is free to everyone not just white people. Parent our children the importance of education. Because now that masses are flooding into our country opportunities have gone bye bye for everyone. Good luck getting a job and obtaining the life style that we on this forum no doubt enjoyed without a college degree that now cost upwards of $100,000 plus... that is, for those that have no help.

This world is so far gone I don't believe any president can fix it.

Again I will say, if you are going to have a blanket policy on illegals, you cant then target a specific subset. Want to crack down, round up all these british, russian and Canadians who over stay their visa. Hell in most cases they know who and where they are.

As for them taking jobs from our children... I dont know about your kids, but mine aint having no parts of picking orange for $5 a day. And the moment we force these companies that are employing these illegals to employ Americans at American wages... Americans will be the first to go ape shit over a $10 Quart of Orange Juice.

And let me ask you something, when is the last time some one took away from a white person to try and make amends. Those college programs. By and large they are supported by private organizations. And while your child might not be eligible for a scholarship sponsored by the American ***** college fund, these are private groups. And they CAN choose whom they want to benefit.

And I think the real fear about latino immigrants is that they do to white America what white America did to the Native American. Not by force and trying to exterminate them mind you. But by the simple process of evolution and assimilation. this right here is the real fear Trump and alot of his hard line supporters have

Babies Of Color Are Now The Majority, Census Says

 

[gkekoa]

Again I will say, if you are going to have a blanket policy on illegals, you cant then target a specific subset. Want to crack down, round up all these british, russian and Canadians who over stay their visa. Hell in most cases they know who and where they are.

As for them taking jobs from our children... I dont know about your kids, but mine aint having no parts of picking orange for $5 a day. And the moment we force these companies that are employing these illegals to employ Americans at American wages... Americans will be the first to go ape shit over a $10 Quart of Orange Juice.

And let me ask you something, when is the last time some one took away from a white person to try and make amends. Those college programs. By and large they are supported by private organizations. And while your child might not be eligible for a scholarship sponsored by the American ***** college fund, these are private groups. And they CAN choose whom they want to benefit.

And I think the real fear about latino immigrants is that they do to white America what white America did to the Native American. Not by force and trying to exterminate them mind you. But by the simple process of evolution and assimilation. this right here is the real fear Trump and alot of his hard line supporters have

Babies Of Color Are Now The Majority, Census Says

I totally agree. An illegal is an illegal. Do it right or stay out.

If any of them are working for $5 a day, the employer should be reported immediately. Now to the honest answer. If we didn't have so many programs that generations of people were manipulating, Americans would be working the fields, and yes prices would go up until they found equilibrium. Then the profits would go down, prices would be fair, and wages would be dictated by the market.

If those programs receive zero public funding, I have no problem with them. If an organization is a non-profit, receiving government funds, they should not have a targeted group to assist.

See...most don't give a shit about being in the majority.

 

[gkekoa]

your opinion that because the 14th amendment was ratified on July 28, 1868 it magically gave folks due process & eliminated any elite social status.

Oh...you don't think there should be equal protection under the law? You believe we should make special rules and laws based on race to build up one race?

 

[Krusheasy]

Oh...you don't think there should be equal protection under the law? You believe we should make special rules and laws based on race to build up one race?

you're putting words in my mouth ...

you asked a question & i answered it

the 14th amendment or any other rule or regulation does not provide equality

its up to the people enforcing those regulations to carrying them out equally

 

[gkekoa]

you're putting words in my mouth ...

you asked a question & i answered it

the 14th amendment or any other rule or regulation does not provide equality

its up to the people enforcing those regulations to carrying them out equally

See...I agree. It does not provide equality. It provides a protection of laws being created that specifically favor one of anything over another.

 

[Sharkinva]

If any of them are working for $5 a day, the employer should be reported immediately. Now to the honest answer. If we didn't have so many programs that generations of people were manipulating, Americans would be working the fields, and yes prices would go up until they found equilibrium. Then the profits would go down, prices would be fair, and wages would be dictated by the market.

As with most things in this country, if companies see their labor rates rise, they will do two things. Increase prices to maintain their profit margin, and shortly there after off shore labor costs to once again increase profit margins. McDonalds is a prime example. 75% of the beef they use comes from Australia. INdia employs roughly 65% of the phone support people you talk to when you have a problem with your computer.. because you can hire five Indians for the cost of one front line American TSE (Tech Support Engineer). Jeans made in CHina go for $12-15 at Walmart. Jeans Made in America go for $60-100 at the gap... want to bet which one actually lasts longer by the way??

Its nice to have this grand idea that if we just shut down the borders, America as a country will do the right thing. But as a country we have a history of doing what favors the powerful.

 

[Krusheasy]

See...I agree. It does not provide equality. It provides a protection of laws being created that specifically favor one of anything over another.

not just the creation ...

but also the enforcement of those laws

alot of good that protection did with the jim crow & segregation laws that followed

 

[gkekoa]

not just the creation ...

but also the enforcement of those laws

alot of good that protection did with the jim crow & segregation laws that followed

I agree with enforcement of laws as well. If you are in violation of the law, then you should be prosecuted for it. Really have no idea where you are going.

Both Jim Crow and segregation were found to be in violation of the Constitution...kinda my point.

 

[gkekoa]

As with most things in this country, if companies see their labor rates rise, they will do two things. Increase prices to maintain their profit margin, and shortly there after off shore labor costs to once again increase profit margins. McDonalds is a prime example. 75% of the beef they use comes from Australia. INdia employs roughly 65% of the phone support people you talk to when you have a problem with your computer.. because you can hire five Indians for the cost of one front line American TSE (Tech Support Engineer). Jeans made in CHina go for $12-15 at Walmart. Jeans Made in America go for $60-100 at the gap... want to bet which one actually lasts longer by the way??

Its nice to have this grand idea that if we just shut down the borders, America as a country will do the right thing. But as a country we have a history of doing what favors the powerful.

I totally agree. If costs go up, prices go up. Prices can only go up so high though because of alternate choices being available. I don't have to drink OJ. Once that price level is determined, the business will still need employees. If you don't offer enough in wages, you don't get employees, so you have to offer a fair market wage. This will eat into your profits because you have to have the employees. This is equilibrium. If the company or service is not profitable, it should not exist.

 

[Sharkinva]

I totally agree. If costs go up, prices go up. Prices can only go up so high though because of alternate choices being available. I don't have to drink OJ. Once that price level is determined, the business will still need employees. If you don't offer enough in wages, you don't get employees, so you have to offer a fair market wage. This will eat into your profits because you have to have the employees. This is equilibrium. If the company or service is not profitable, it should not exist.

Again in a perfect world, you would have American companies, with American workers making a fair wage, and prices set accordingly.

But Ford, McDonalds and Walmart have shown, American companies are more than willing to fuck the American people and get their goods from over seas to maintain a higher profit margin. And the government cant and wont pass laws that force these companies to employ Americans and use American products because the law makers get THEIR profits from these self same companies.