OT: PSU, Death Penalty?

[Forty_Sixand2]

If you are inferring that I am an 'apologist', you have it wrong 46. I have stated on multiple occasions on this site how bad this is, and how far reaching the guilt is across the administration. I was soused when I made the 'silly shit, here' comment, but it contains a grain of truth: I don't think anything approaching the death penalty is going to occur here. No competitive advantage was gained by this whole awful thing, and I don't see a valid legal basis for that type of sanction happening.

The Freeh report was like a tsunami hitting the university, after the earthquake last year. What do you do? You take whatever is coming to you, and move on. The principal bad actors are gone. Hopefully more heads will roll. There was a press conference yesterday, and the BoT is enacting 100+ new accountability regulations to keep something like this from happening again (though it's unlikely someone with Sandusky's depth of evil would ever rise to that type of position again). Hopefully the right people are in place now, and PSU will emerge as a better institution.

I wasn't calling you an apologist. I was referring to the few left.

As far as the NCAA getting involved. I don't think that it is as cut and dry and you are thinking. This was done within a program, in the facilities of a program, using the program as some twisted "bait" and the powers that be in the program allowed Sandusky access to program property. The NCAA can easily make a case for this being lack of institutional control. The NCAA responds to public response way too much, IMO and the may burn PSU this time.

 

[SuperFlyer13]

It's wrong no matter who does it or where it takes place. There is on thing for sure, I SURE AS HELL WOULDN'T"T STAND BY AND WATCH IT HAPPEN WITHOUT DOING SOMETHING !!!

People turning their backs and covering it up was NOT and option.

True my friend, but unfortunately this happens all the time..People sit back and are appalled by these things, but most just sit around and complain, now if I knew about such an act I would drag the perp to the Cops( maybe) and have them dealt with properly. 46 has it right when he says this should always be about the victims...It's a fucked up situation all the way around..

 

[BOSSMANPC]

True my friend, but unfortunately this happens all the time..People sit back and are appalled by these things, but most just sit around and complain, now if I knew about such an act I would drag the perp to the Cops( maybe) and have them dealt with properly. 46 has it right when he says this should always be about the victims...It's a fucked up situation all the way around..

For sure 46 is right, there are a lot of victims in this story and they need support. As a parent I also understand Jeff's POV, If it happened to anyone I know my first reaction would be anger and want to do something about it.

It just sickens me that this shit does happen every day.

 

[elocomotive]

I honestly can't decide on this issue and don't have an opinion one way or the other and here's why...

NCAA punishment rarely punishes the people who actually took part in the bad acts. I can't blame a poor kid for helping his pops get a new car. And you can't fault a freshman just arriving to play sports at a school he probably dreamed of playing at for something that happened years before and he had no part of. And yet a year later, the coach, the main instigator of the immoral activity in most cases, is off coaching somewhere else making millions. The only thing is a bullshit shell game until they actually start punishing the people making the mistakes, not the students, athletes, etc. who are innocent. But that is what the NCAA does. So assuming I didn't have a presupposition that NCAA is largely pointless and misdirected, I would have the following two opinions...

(1) I don't really support any kind of penalty (and let me say I hated Penn St and Paterno long before all this) because I don't see how the actions being punished are connected to the football program aside from the fact that the individuals involved were coaches in the football program. The program didn't violate NCAA policies or gain a competitive advantage, so it seems unfair to punish the football team.

(2) That said, the NCAA has to punish the football program because the attitude that the football program is above the school and above the law has to stop and that message has to get across to all the universities out there. So while it is unrelated to football, this would not have happened but for football. Except then I go back to (1) and repeat a vicious cycle of logic that has no end or conclusion.

All THAT said, I predict they will be punished. Severely.

 

[elocomotive]

There are ways to combat the problem that do not involve fists flying. Volunteer as a big brother, or work with groups that help the children. Too many people have blood lust in this and forget about the actual victims. Prison will take care of the punishment. People need to focus on the people left reeling.

Your focus should be on the victims and helping them try and rebuild, not on crushing skulls.

My two cents....

Good points. And it isn't like Sandusky isn't going to get plenty of punishment in jail. He's all yours, Hammurabi...

 

[SuperFlyer13]

For sure 46 is right, there are a lot of victims in this story and they need support. As a parent I also understand Jeff's POV, If it happened to anyone I know my first reaction would be anger and want to do something about it.

It just sickens me that this shit does happen every day.

25 years ago I would have done something stupid and probably dragged that person through town on the back of my horse and buggy, a little older wiser man says as much fun as that would be, it would just be vigilante justice and fixes nothing..But yea it would be hard not to react that way..

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

I would still kick his ass in the situation, but all I am saying is that the most important think at this point is the victims.

 

[SLY]

Yeah, I get that the guy had a "silly" unexplained comment, but do you really think that anyone supports the raping of children? This is a ridiculous post.

Right.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

I assume that Sly was talking in hyperbole, but "burning the entire school to the ground" is a bit of a silly comment as well.

 

[elocomotive]

Right.

What does that mean, Jeff? He said silly, in response to what you don't know. Maybe he just doesn't think a program ban is justified, a reasonable position. And your response is basically "you support child r*pe?" That was a dumb fucking post on your part. Own up to it.

 

[SLY]

I am a silly sly bastard. What do you want? I can't stand JM, and I loathe that scumbag school. 'Tis my thoughts.

 

[SLY]

I honestly can't decide on this issue and don't have an opinion one way or the other and here's why...

NCAA punishment rarely punishes the people who actually took part in the bad acts. I can't blame a poor kid for helping his pops get a new car. And you can't fault a freshman just arriving to play sports at a school he probably dreamed of playing at for something that happened years before and he had no part of. And yet a year later, the coach, the main instigator of the immoral activity in most cases, is off coaching somewhere else making millions. The only thing is a bullshit shell game until they actually start punishing the people making the mistakes, not the students, athletes, etc. who are innocent. But that is what the NCAA does. So assuming I didn't have a presupposition that NCAA is largely pointless and misdirected, I would have the following two opinions...

(1) I don't really support any kind of penalty (and let me say I hated Penn St and Paterno long before all this) because I don't see how the actions being punished are connected to the football program aside from the fact that the individuals involved were coaches in the football program. The program didn't violate NCAA policies or gain a competitive advantage, so it seems unfair to punish the football team.

(2) That said, the NCAA has to punish the football program because the attitude that the football program is above the school and above the law has to stop and that message has to get across to all the universities out there. So while it is unrelated to football, this would not have happened but for football. Except then I go back to (1) and repeat a vicious cycle of logic that has no end or conclusion.

All THAT said, I predict they will be punished. Severely.

This.

 

[elocomotive]

I am a silly sly bastard. What do you want? I can't stand JM, and I loathe that scumbag school. 'Tis my thoughts.

I loathe it, too. I just don't think it's fair to imply a position you and i both know he doesn't support. That's all. Thank you. Done.

 

[SLY]

I speak a little over bearingly... It was sarcasm to expose his nonchalantness... Which I fucking hate with subjects like this.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Out of curiosity do you guy's and gal's think the school should take down the statue of Paterno?

I know they are going to change the shower room but the statue is like a symbol to PSU.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Absolutely they should.

In addition, a statue of a coach shouldn't become a symbol of a school.

 

[SLY]

Fuck yea. That man is a disgrace.

 

[SLY]

Absolutely they should.

In addition, a statue of a coach shouldn't become a symbol of a school.

Agreed. A school is above it's sports program. Knowledge and education in general is greater than a pastime.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

I loathe it, too. I just don't think it's fair to imply a position you and i both know he doesn't support. That's all. Thank you. Done.

This^^^^^

I speak a little over bearingly... It was sarcasm to expose his nonchalantness... Which I fucking hate with subjects like this.

It's still a message board and we all have opinions like them or not. I am sure he doesn't support child r*pe. Lets move on.

 

[SLY]

But... but.. I'm never done. I keep chugging like a locomotive train.

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