Kiper's First Mock

[CalamityX11]

Hageman would be great insurance if the Tank can't play....

I wouldn't have DL high in priority but if we draft him I'm fine.... he's far from a Kentwan Balmer

 

[erckm510]

I don't know who the Niners draft first but based on Baalke's record of using his 1st round pick on a position of need I'll be very shocked if it's not a CB or WR. Any mock draft that has the Niners taking a DT first is nuts. Niners addressed the D-line last season and will get Williams back.

 

[FourBeeDen]

I don't know who the Niners draft first but based on Baalke's record of using his 1st round pick on a position of need I'll be very shocked if it's not a CB or WR. Any mock draft that has the Niners taking a DT first is nuts. Niners addressed the D-line last season and will get Williams back.

Justin Smith , McDonald, and Dorsey are getting up there agewise... Tank and Dial are still unproven... Jerrod-Eddie and Dobbs are the only depth the Niners have... I don't really calling that being addressed

 

[erckm510]

Justin Smith , McDonald, and Dorsey are getting up there agewise... Tank and Dial are still unproven... Jerrod-Eddie and Dobbs are the only depth the Niners have... I don't really calling that being addressed

McDonald and Dorsey are in their prime. Tank and Dial are unproven but so would a rookie they draft. Difference is Tank and Dial have one year learning the playbook. You forgot about Ian Williams coming back. They have Purcell on the PS. They also have Okoye coming into training camp next year I believe.

So I don't know a rookie is cracking the D-line rotation or how drafting 2 guys last season isn't addressing it.

 

[NinerSickness]

Nix in the late 1st would be a draft day wet dream.

He's the guy I forgot to mention when I talked about trading up. He, Hageman, Clowney, Lee & Watkins would be the only guys (at this point) for whom I think it would be worth trading up. Add Roby's name to that list if his stock puts him back into the 1st round (which it very easily could).

Right now Lee is looking like really good value. Evans before Lee is insanity.

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

Nix in the late 1st would be a draft day wet dream.

 

[FourBeeDen]

McDonald and Dorsey are in their prime. Tank and Dial are unproven but so would a rookie they draft. Difference is Tank and Dial have one year learning the playbook. You forgot about Ian Williams coming back. They have Purcell on the PS. They also have Okoye coming into training camp next year I believe.

So I don't know a rookie is cracking the D-line rotation or how drafting 2 guys last season isn't addressing it.

McDonald is 29 years old, Dorsey is 28... Ian Williams is coming back from injury but what has he shown during his previous time with the Niners to say that he had solidified his position? ... Just because Purcell being in PS does not mean the Niners can not find someone better to crack the rotation ... Okoye have not even played a regular season game and you're already banking on him... If you get a Nix or Hagemann late in the 1st round you don't passed them up

 

[erckm510]

McDonald is 29 years old, Dorsey is 28... Ian Williams is coming back from injury but what has he shown during his previous time with the Niners to say that he had solidified his position? ... Just because Purcell being in PS does not mean the Niners can not find someone better to crack the rotation ... Okoye have not even played a regular season game and you're already banking on him... If you get a Nix or Hagemann late in the 1st round you don't passed them up

Besides being named starter before getting injured? And I'm banking on Okoye because he's going to be a training camp invitee? Really man please stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just counting your comment about no depth which is incorrect.

I realize there are draftniks on this board that love certain players. I'm just looking at how Baalke has drafted. You can say that there is great value for those DT's if they fall but Baalke has taken a player he needs to start with his first pick. He doesn't need a DT to start for him this year.

 

[FourBeeDen]

Besides being named starter before getting injured? And I'm banking on Okoye because he's going to be a training camp invitee? Really man please stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just counting your comment about no depth which is incorrect.

I realize there are draftniks on this board that love certain players. I'm just looking at how Baalke has drafted. You can say that there is great value for those DT's if they fall but Baalke has taken a player he needs to start with his first pick. He doesn't need a DT to start for him this year.

I'll apologize to that... I misread you post about basing it on how Baalke has drafted... But here's the thing... Reid is the only actual player Baalke picked that is a day 1 starter.. Aldon was worked into the rotation as a pass rush specialist his first year playing behind Brooks and Parys Harrelson... Baalke also admitted that AJ Jenkins needed bulking up before he could contribute... It's not actually an immediate need that Baalke is aiming for in the draft...

 

[deep9er]

Besides being named starter before getting injured? And I'm banking on Okoye because he's going to be a training camp invitee? Really man please stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just counting your comment about no depth which is incorrect.

I realize there are draftniks on this board that love certain players. I'm just looking at how Baalke has drafted. You can say that there is great value for those DT's if they fall but Baalke has taken a player he needs to start with his first pick. He doesn't need a DT to start for him this year.

yeah, only in the case where a D-linemen is clearly our BPA. if solid value is there, I'd be fine drafting for DL.

I wouldn't spend my 1st round (nor 2nd rounder) leaning over to the Need side. drafting players is long term, not next season. so although we'll cut one of these current guys, that's what happens every season. but three years from now when all the DL dynamics HAVE changed, we don't want to wish we had taken so and so (ala Wilfork)

 

[deep9er]

I'll apologize to that... I misread you post about basing it on how Baalke has drafted... But here's the thing... Reid is the only actual player Baalke picked that is a day 1 starter.. Aldon was worked into the rotation as a pass rush specialist his first year playing behind Brooks and Parys Harrelson... Baalke also admitted that AJ Jenkins needed bulking up before he could contribute... It's not actually an immediate need that Baalke is aiming for in the draft...

this is my opinion too, granted he has had a good roster to work with. just happened Aldon panned out ahead of schedule.

another example is this last draft with the injured players, he's drafting BPA even knowing they'll 'redshirt' a year.

 

[erckm510]

I'll apologize to that... I misread you post about basing it on how Baalke has drafted... But here's the thing... Reid is the only actual player Baalke picked that is a day 1 starter.. Aldon was worked into the rotation as a pass rush specialist his first year playing behind Brooks and Parys Harrelson... Baalke also admitted that AJ Jenkins needed bulking up before he could contribute... It's not actually an immediate need that Baalke is aiming for in the draft...

Baalke said they needed a pass rusher and that's what he drafted. If Harelson didn't play the run alot better then Aldon would have played full time. He needed a WR next year and that's what he drafted AJ but I think he expected him to contribute his first year and that's why he cut the cord with him after just 1 year(no redshirt for him). Then there's Reid. But you're forgetting 2010 when the Niners needed an OL and drafted 2 of em.

4 straight years of targeting obvious starter needs in the 1st round. He does "the not immediate needs" in the other rounds.

 

[poewelch84]

At the end of the day if the best value isn't a position of need then I don't see how they'll pass on that player.

 

[wartyOne]

Haven't read the whole thread. Probably won't. Sorry if this is a repeat. Manziel to Houston is stupid. Do they need a QB? Yes. But imagine that D-line with Clowney added to it.

With that D-line, maybe they don't need an offense, let alone a QB.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Haven't read the whole thread. Probably won't. Sorry if this is a repeat. Manziel to Houston is stupid. Do they need a QB? Yes. But imagine that D-line with Clowney added to it.

With that D-line, maybe they don't need an offense, let alone a QB.

They can have THREE Clowneys on that line, and they'd still need a QB.

 

[NinerSickness]

They can have THREE Clowneys on that line, and they'd still need a QB.

Literally? Yes. But I don't know man. 3 Clowneys? And your boy JJ? I think Trent Dilfer might have a good shot at winning a SB on that team today much less 13 years ago.

 

[wartyOne]

They can have THREE Clowneys on that line, and they'd still need a QB.

I could play QB for that and win a slew of rings.

What?

 

[MHSL82]

Haven't read the whole thread. Probably won't. Sorry if this is a repeat. Manziel to Houston is stupid. Do they need a QB? Yes. But imagine that D-line with Clowney added to it.

With that D-line, maybe they don't need an offense, let alone a QB.

Todd McShay discussed the role of mocks at this stage of the process. He said they were more intended to discuss and accentuate a team's needs than what might be a logical pick.

 

[wartyOne]

They can have THREE Clowneys on that line, and they'd still need a QB.

On a reality-note.

Anybody feel bad as hell for Andre Johnson? What if he played with Brady for his whole career?

Better yet, what if Brady had ANYBODY at wr besides Moss for 2.5 years for his career?

Is it just me, or does anybody else want to see everything Favre did fall in this crop of QB's? I find myself rooting for assholes to break his records. Is that wrong?

 

[wartyOne]

Todd McShay discussed the role of mocks at this stage of the process. He said they were more intended to discuss and accentuate a team's needs than what might be a logical pick

If logic is part of the process, then throw out the Browns, Bills, Texans, Jets, Jets, Jets, J-E-T-SJETSJETSJETS, Jaguars, Raiders, Redskins, Cowboys, Lions and Buccs picks for the next decade. Not necessarily in that order. But maybe in that order.