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[filosofy29]

Loco Moco rebuild of the day:

1. Trade boyle+Petrecki to Washington for Johansson and a 1st rounder (12th overall). Why would the Capitals trade their 2nd best center who's still under team control AND a 1st Rounder? Why give up so much of your future when you can just sign Mike Green who's an RFA? Most likely, you'd have to trade Boyle for Johansson straight up. I'm not Even sure Johansson is available given the injury to Backstrom.
2. trade Clowe+Nemo to Toronto for Bozak and a 2nd rounder (roughly 37th overall). This could probably happen.
3. Trade marleau to MTL for desharnais and a 2nd rounder (roughly 32nd overall). Never gonna happen. Marleau loves SJ and his wife is from here. Good luck getting him to nix his NMC.
4. Trade murray to whoever will take him (Edm?) for a 4th rounder. This could happen.
5. Buy out zues (if possible deal him for a 7th rounder?) This could happen, but I'd rather just keep him as a 4th line center than buying him out. If you're going to pay the buyout fee anyway, might as well jsut keep a useful 4th line Center.
4. Keep Jumbo. They need some veteran presence and jumbo can still dominate a game better than any shark by far. however, make cooch captain, much like toews and crosby got the C at a very young age. It's clearly possibly to be a successful move. Jumbo, like Marleau ain't going anywhere. The C probably won't be taken from him unless he himself relinquishes it.

This leaves the already signed sharks with Jumbo, pavelski, havlat, cooch, bozak, johansson as the top 6. On D: Burns, Vlasic, Demers.

Needs: an entire 4th line (cheap) and 3rd line (including at least one bonafide top 6 forward), a #1 Dman, a #3/4 dman, a #7 dman.

Cap space: 8.7 (originally had) + 6.7 (boyle) +2.5 (murray)+6.9 (marleau), 3.6 (clowe)+1.7 (zues, not after buyout) - 1.5M (bozak) - .9M (johansson) = roughly 27.7M

rebuild steps:
1. Resign ferriero, desjardins, wingels for a total of 2.2M (700k each on 1 year deals). 25.5M left. Doable and practical.
2. Resign galiardi, 2 yrs, 2M (1M per year... he shouldnt cost more given his last two seasons). 24.5M left Doable and practical.
3. Sign Suter 5 years, 37.5M (7.5M per year) 17M left. Doable.
4. resign braun 2 year, 2.5M (1.25M per) 15.75M left. Doable and practical.
5. Sign Stuart 2 years 5.5M (3M then 2.5M, avg. 2.75M per) 13M left. Doable, may have to make it 3M per.
6. Sign David Jones: 3 years, 3.5M per. 9.5M left That's a lot of scratch to pay somebody who has only scored 27 goals once and is already 28 years old. He'd only make $.5M less than Pavelski and isn't even close to as accomplished. I think he'll probably get $3.5M, but you'd probably be complaining about this guy in the future. After all, he'd be coming to the Sharks and they have terrible coaches and Sacco is a coaching genius.
7. Sign Hudler 3 years, 3M per... 6.5M left It would probably take $3.75M per to get Hudler, possibly more away from Detroit.
8. Sign Parenteau 3 year 4.5M per. 2M left Parentau is going to be 29 years old this year and only has 2 seasons in the NHL. You want to give $4.5M for an assist specialist (3 to 1 ratio) coming off a career year, playing with Tavares (I believe), knowing he's going to be a UFA with out a long track record? Another contract you'd probably hate in year 2 and 3.
9. Sign stalock, 2-way deal at 1M per at the NHL level 1M left. (keep the 1M for flexibility at the deadline (can add 3M in salary not including the inevitable LTIR relief).

Here is your 2012-13 Sharks:

Jumbo-Pavelski-Bozak
Parenteau-Havlat-Couture
Johansson-Jones-Hudler
galiardi-Desjardins-Wingels
Ferriero

Suter-Burns
Vlasic-Stuart
Demers-Braun
Call up (moore? best camp performer)

Griess-Stalock.

Now that is a scary team at all skating positions and as long at the goaltending holds up, I think that team can actually compete for a cup immediately and has only 2 players above the age of 30, so the rebuild would be immediate. Good speed throughout the lineup, too.

And to top it all off, the sharks would have the 12th(wash), 14th(SJ), 32nd (MTL), 36th(Tor), 44th(SJ), 58th (Compensation for white) picks in this years draft to make sure the team is set 2 or 3 years down the line when the deals to pavs, hudler, jones, parenteau and the like are set to expire.

I appreciate the effort Rules, but I just don't see a lot of these trades happening. Some of the signings would most likely be scary. They could work or could blow up in your face. I would be very worried about locking up David Jones and P.A. Parenteau for a combined $8M per year.

I know a lot of these are just fun musings and not really something you think would happen though.

Everything in red is just my humble opinion of course.

 

[sjrules99]

I appreciate the effort Rules, but I just don't see a lot of these trades happening. Some of the signings would most likely be scary. They could work or could blow up in your face. I would be very worried about locking up David Jones and P.A. Parenteau for a combined $8M per year.

I know a lot of these are just fun musings and not really something you think would happen though.

Everything in red is just my humble opinion of course.

Yeah, it was my loco (i.e. never gunna happen) post of the day. patty and jumbo arent going anywhere. I know this. Probably neither is boyle. Dougie doesnt go there because he is a super loyal guy to vets. Aside from nolan right off the bat (to whome he had no loyalty and never traded for or signed himself), I don't think he has ever traded a vet who was still even mildly effective. Possible heatley, but its tough to argue that one. Draft picks and prospects? for sure. Young guys? no doubt: Seto, Carle, Mcginn, Michalek, Bernier, the list goes on and on. But vets? not so much.

The first one with washington I figured becuase they are not looking to rebuild. They want and expect to win now. Johansson is really good, but Green hasnt really worked out well there, and they might be looking to add that #1 Dman piece. Guys of Boyle's skill and ability are very very rare. Despite his age, Boyle ranks 10th in the league in D scoring and 7th in TOI. That kind of production is very very hard to find. Its definitely something that team who wants to win now would be willing to give up a 2nd line C and a 1st rounder, Especially if they got a good prospect like petrecki in return.

If dougie did ever deal patty, MTL has been the rumored destination for like 5 years, ever since he had that one truly terrible year back then. MTL is desperate for some 1st line scoring, and I could see them pay big for him.

As for PA, Jones, and hudler, I largely agree on all your points, but it might still be worth it. Hudler is likely a lifer in detroit. that was the most far fetched off the deals, I think. However, you never know...

Jones is worth the money. Proven guys cost more. That's the key, you have to suffer risk for the discount. However, two straight years of 20 goals and 40 points is worth 3.5M to me. He has proven that he can score and he's done in average about 16:30 in TOI over the two years, perfect for a 3rd liner. He also has produced that much without as much PP time as he has 44 goals in those two years but only 9 on the PP. All of those stats, as well as his size, point to him as a perfect 3rd line winger.

As for parenteau, its another risk-reward issue. He could complete flop given that he has been getting great linemates, and has a short success in the NHL. However, if he had 5 straight year with 70+ points, he'd be a 6M+ player. You pay less, but take the risk. the thing I like is that he is only a -2 on a team with tons of big minuses (ranks 3rd among regular forwards on the isle there). He is respectable defensively while putting up big points. Also Tavares and Moulson are good, but not THAT good, and I think alot of his production is his own good play. Also, he has 64 pts, but only 16 on the PP, meaning he produced 5 on 5. lastly, he has only 2 NHL years, but I dont think it's a fluke that he is putting up real good numbers. He is a potential 1st liner who may be had for 2nd/3rd line money at 4.5M. His age is also fine since singing him for years 29, 30, and 31 is not a risk of decline.

Basically, the whole idea (which is totally not going to happen) was intended to get younger while having 3 legit scoring lines and a solid top 6 Defense. It does do that, with no weak links in the whole top 9 F. basically, in my ideal world, the 4th line would play less than 5 mins/game, and the sharks would be a 3 line team with each of the top 3 lines playing 18-19 mins/game.

 

[filosofy29]

Yeah, it was my loco (i.e. never gunna happen) post of the day. patty and jumbo arent going anywhere. I know this. Probably neither is boyle. Dougie doesnt go there because he is a super loyal guy to vets. Aside from nolan right off the bat (to whome he had no loyalty and never traded for or signed himself), I don't think he has ever traded a vet who was still even mildly effective. Possible heatley, but its tough to argue that one. Draft picks and prospects? for sure. Young guys? no doubt: Seto, Carle, Mcginn, Michalek, Bernier, the list goes on and on. But vets? not so much. Agreed.

The first one with washington I figured becuase they are not looking to rebuild. They want and expect to win now. Johansson is really good, but Green hasnt really worked out well there, and they might be looking to add that #1 Dman piece. Guys of Boyle's skill and ability are very very rare. Despite his age, Boyle ranks 10th in the league in D scoring and 7th in TOI. That kind of production is very very hard to find. Its definitely something that team who wants to win now would be willing to give up a 2nd line C and a 1st rounder, Especially if they got a good prospect like petrecki in return. Why would a team trying to "win now" trade their 2nd best center? Laich is good, but he's better suited for a 3rd Line center role. My point is, if they can have Green (who I agree isn't as good as Boyle) or Wideman for free (i.e. - not giving up any prospects) via the UFA/RFA route, why trade your 2nd best Center for a slight upgrade on defense? Boyle has been really bad in his own zone this year. A lot of that I think is due to age and TOI over the past couple years.

If dougie did ever deal patty, MTL has been the rumored destination for like 5 years, ever since he had that one truly terrible year back then. MTL is desperate for some 1st line scoring, and I could see them pay big for him. Agreed, but Patty has to want to go. I doubt he does.

As for PA, Jones, and hudler, I largely agree on all your points, but it might still be worth it. Hudler is likely a lifer in detroit. that was the most far fetched off the deals, I think. However, you never know...

Jones is worth the money. Proven guys cost more. That's the key, you have to suffer risk for the discount. However, two straight years of 20 goals and 40 points is worth 3.5M to me. He has proven that he can score and he's done in average about 16:30 in TOI over the two years, perfect for a 3rd liner. He also has produced that much without as much PP time as he has 44 goals in those two years but only 9 on the PP. All of those stats, as well as his size, point to him as a perfect 3rd line winger. David Jones will probably get to 20 goals this year, but he's only broken 20 goals and 40 points once. His TOI is down 2 full minutes from last season, but I'm not sure why. I'm not against David Jones, but I'm not sure he's a clear upgrade.....especially for $3.5M per year. Clowe makes $3.625 and is only 2 years older and has a much more consistent career line (granted he plays on a more talented team).

As for parenteau, its another risk-reward issue. He could complete flop given that he has been getting great linemates, and has a short success in the NHL. However, if he had 5 straight year with 70+ points, he'd be a 6M+ player. You pay less, but take the risk. the thing I like is that he is only a -2 on a team with tons of big minuses (ranks 3rd among regular forwards on the isle there). He is respectable defensively while putting up big points. Also Tavares and Moulson are good, but not THAT good, and I think alot of his production is his own good play. Also, he has 64 pts, but only 16 on the PP, meaning he produced 5 on 5. lastly, he has only 2 NHL years, but I dont think it's a fluke that he is putting up real good numbers. He is a potential 1st liner who may be had for 2nd/3rd line money at 4.5M. His age is also fine since singing him for years 29, 30, and 31 is not a risk of decline. That contract could definitely work, but it screams bust to me in a lot of ways. Who knows, it would definitely be a high risk/high reward signing.

Basically, the whole idea (which is totally not going to happen) was intended to get younger while having 3 legit scoring lines and a solid top 6 Defense. It does do that, with no weak links in the whole top 9 F. basically, in my ideal world, the 4th line would play less than 5 mins/game, and the sharks would be a 3 line team with each of the top 3 lines playing 18-19 mins/game.

Having $8.25 tied up to two players who only really have 2 years of "success" in the NHL at relatively advanced ages (27 and 29) would worry me.....a ton. They seem more like stop gap players or players to go all in for to win a cup more than a get younger and better type transaction.

EDIT: Not saying you're wrong, just saying what I would think if I was an adviser on your team.

 

[SJVP408]

I don't think Doug is going to rebuild, he's just going to reload. He's probably thinking there's still a chance with this core. As mentioned, PattyJo aren't going anywhere. It's nice and comfy in SJ. Boyle on the other hand, I can see him being sick of this shit. He may just want out. Just speculating.

 

[filosofy29]

I think to be semi-realistic, to get younger and have a little more financial flexibility, without going into a full-on rebuild (as management probably wouldn't like that), I'd do something like this:

Trades:
To PHI: Boyle ($6.667M)
To SJ: van Riemsdyk ($4.25M) and a 2nd Round Draft Pick
*Philly gets their PP QB since Pronger is gone and a RH offensive threat. Do Boyle a solid and let him have a couple more kicks at the Cup. SJ gets a stalled 23 year old who is due a raise next season from a team with a ton of young, offensive talent and a draft pick.

To TOR: Clowe ($3.625M), Murray ($2.5M), Niemi ($3.8M) and Petrecki ($approx $.875M)
To SJ: Rights to Kulemin ($2.5M), Schenn ($3.6M) and Reimer ($1.8M)
*Burke needs to make the playoffs and soon in TO. He also gets his truculence in the form of Clowe, Murray and Petrecki (to hopefully turn into what they envisioned for Schenn) and a goaltending upgrade. Sharks get a young, big, but inconsistent Kulemin (he's a RFA, so they'd have to resign him to a 3 year, $7.5M deal), a struggling but young Schenn and a struggling but young Reimer. All have shown flashes of brilliance, but have faltered. Kulemin crashes the net and shoots a lot more than Clowe does.

Overall savings after trades: $5.317M

UFA Signings:

C - Chris Kelly (3 year, $7M contract - $2.333333M per)
RW - Brandon Prust (3 year, $3M contract - $.850M, $1M, $1.15M)
D - Brad Stuart (3 year, $8.5M contract - $3M, $3M, $2.5M)

Team:
Pavelski ($4M)-Thornton ($7M)-Marleau ($6.9M) = 18:30 minutes TOI
van Riemsdyk ($4.25M)-Couture ($2.875M)-Havlat ($5M) = 18:30 minutes TOI
Galiardi ($1M)-Kelly ($2.333M)-Kulemin ($2.5M) = 15:30 minutes TOI
Wingels ($.65M)-Handzus ($2.5M)-Prust ($1M) = 7:30 minutes TOI

Vlasic ($3.1M)-Burns ($5.76M) = 23 minutes TOI
Stuart ($2.833M)-Demers ($1.25M) = 20 minutes TOI
Schenn ($3.6M)-Braun ($1.25M) = 17 minutes TOI

Reimer ($1.8M) - 54 games
Greiss ($.75M) - 28 games

It's not very pretty for next season, as there are some definite question marks. It will allow us to see what the Sharks have though and they get younger and more cap friendly once the big 2 heartless guys (Patty and Joe) leave. Kulemin went from 15 goals to 16 goals, up to 30 goals and is now down to 7. That said, he's a net front presence who has top 6 potential (and I've always been impressed with the kid, lol). Reimer may just need to get out of the Toronto lime-light, but he's more of a stop gap until Stalock or Sateri can take the ball and run with it. van Riemsdyk is the intersting one, he showed promise last season and had a decent showing in the playoffs for a round or two. If not, he's got an expensive price tag if he doesn't develop and fans will be pissed to give up Boyle for that. That said, I'd rather take that risk on a 23 year old though who has already shown promise in a tough city to play in than a guy approaching 30 playing for a contract and on a team with no expectations.

Chris Kelly and Brad Stuart are overpaid, but they keep a veteran presence and they can still perform close to their cap hit. Brandon Prust essentially takes over Winchester's spot, but he's an in your face guy who will also block shots. Winchester isn't really in your face, he's just a tough guy who goes to the net. If the kids play well and the vets play close to their contracts, I think this team would have a shot at the playoffs. If not.....ouch.

Obviously, I'd rather just force Thornton and Marleau out, but we have to be reasonable.

On the coaching front, I'd keep McLellan, but get rid of both Shaw and Woodcroft. Get guys who are looking for head coaching gigs but aren't quite there yet. Wilson would get one more chance to redeem himself. I just don't see a clear upgrade out there for GM, otherwise, I'd blackmail Poile.

Sorry for the novel guys.

 

[naes666]

On the coaching front, I'd keep McLellan, but get rid of both Shaw and Woodcroft. Get guys who are looking for head coaching gigs but aren't quite there yet. .

Ron Wilson is available...

 

[shrksfn9192]

Ron Wilson is available...

Yeah, for this: Sharkie's Amicis Lunch Giveaway - S.J. Sharkie - Official Mascot of the Sharks

 

[Stackem]

Although probability is low (to perhaps no 'effing way cause Dougie doesn't have the balls to do this), but what would a Jumbo Joe trade scenario look like? Doug could ask him for the 5 teams he would accept a move to. Who could they be? What would we get in return?

I know its not happening, but it'll give me something to think about other then how crappy this team is. A man can dream can't he..

 

[Cbrower91]

I say Nemo, Poovelski, and Murray for Nash and a 2nd rnder. Sign stuie and Marty broudeur and bring up stalock to get mentored if you can get suter great if not no bigs

 

[sjrules99]

I think to be semi-realistic, to get younger and have a little more financial flexibility, without going into a full-on rebuild (as management probably wouldn't like that), I'd do something like this:

Trades:
To PHI: Boyle ($6.667M)
To SJ: van Riemsdyk ($4.25M) and a 2nd Round Draft Pick
*Philly gets their PP QB since Pronger is gone and a RH offensive threat. Do Boyle a solid and let him have a couple more kicks at the Cup. SJ gets a stalled 23 year old who is due a raise next season from a team with a ton of young, offensive talent and a draft pick.

To TOR: Clowe ($3.625M), Murray ($2.5M), Niemi ($3.8M) and Petrecki ($approx $.875M)
To SJ: Rights to Kulemin ($2.5M), Schenn ($3.6M) and Reimer ($1.8M)
*Burke needs to make the playoffs and soon in TO. He also gets his truculence in the form of Clowe, Murray and Petrecki (to hopefully turn into what they envisioned for Schenn) and a goaltending upgrade. Sharks get a young, big, but inconsistent Kulemin (he's a RFA, so they'd have to resign him to a 3 year, $7.5M deal), a struggling but young Schenn and a struggling but young Reimer. All have shown flashes of brilliance, but have faltered. Kulemin crashes the net and shoots a lot more than Clowe does.

Overall savings after trades: $5.317M

UFA Signings:

C - Chris Kelly (3 year, $7M contract - $2.333333M per)
RW - Brandon Prust (3 year, $3M contract - $.850M, $1M, $1.15M)
D - Brad Stuart (3 year, $8.5M contract - $3M, $3M, $2.5M)

Team:
Pavelski ($4M)-Thornton ($7M)-Marleau ($6.9M) = 18:30 minutes TOI
van Riemsdyk ($4.25M)-Couture ($2.875M)-Havlat ($5M) = 18:30 minutes TOI
Galiardi ($1M)-Kelly ($2.333M)-Kulemin ($2.5M) = 15:30 minutes TOI
Wingels ($.65M)-Handzus ($2.5M)-Prust ($1M) = 7:30 minutes TOI

Vlasic ($3.1M)-Burns ($5.76M) = 23 minutes TOI
Stuart ($2.833M)-Demers ($1.25M) = 20 minutes TOI
Schenn ($3.6M)-Braun ($1.25M) = 17 minutes TOI

Reimer ($1.8M) - 54 games
Greiss ($.75M) - 28 games

It's not very pretty for next season, as there are some definite question marks. It will allow us to see what the Sharks have though and they get younger and more cap friendly once the big 2 heartless guys (Patty and Joe) leave. Kulemin went from 15 goals to 16 goals, up to 30 goals and is now down to 7. That said, he's a net front presence who has top 6 potential (and I've always been impressed with the kid, lol). Reimer may just need to get out of the Toronto lime-light, but he's more of a stop gap until Stalock or Sateri can take the ball and run with it. van Riemsdyk is the intersting one, he showed promise last season and had a decent showing in the playoffs for a round or two. If not, he's got an expensive price tag if he doesn't develop and fans will be pissed to give up Boyle for that. That said, I'd rather take that risk on a 23 year old though who has already shown promise in a tough city to play in than a guy approaching 30 playing for a contract and on a team with no expectations.

Chris Kelly and Brad Stuart are overpaid, but they keep a veteran presence and they can still perform close to their cap hit. Brandon Prust essentially takes over Winchester's spot, but he's an in your face guy who will also block shots. Winchester isn't really in your face, he's just a tough guy who goes to the net. If the kids play well and the vets play close to their contracts, I think this team would have a shot at the playoffs. If not.....ouch.

Obviously, I'd rather just force Thornton and Marleau out, but we have to be reasonable.

On the coaching front, I'd keep McLellan, but get rid of both Shaw and Woodcroft. Get guys who are looking for head coaching gigs but aren't quite there yet. Wilson would get one more chance to redeem himself. I just don't see a clear upgrade out there for GM, otherwise, I'd blackmail Poile.

Sorry for the novel guys.

Some very good thoughts there and I could see both of those trades being realistic.

That said, I think that team would miss the PO's too. First, Kulemin and galiardi on the 3rd line is risky. neither has been good, at all, this year, with galiardi sucking two years straight. Putting him on a third line that expects 15+ mins could backfire. Also, Kulemin has obviously struggled with just 7 goals on the season, and that is playing some significant time with reasonable players. im just not sure that third line would produce enough scoring depth. Not to mention JVR is a big question mark, and if he struggles, the team would still be weak on O.

Even more troublesome would be the D. Aside form burns, they would have zero offensive threats. Vlasic is 0 offensively, schenn and stuart too. Demers and braun have shown flashes but neither has been even close to consistent. hell neither has 10 total NHL goals. (only 12 combined in several hundred combined games). Without boyle's offense being replaced, that team might score less than the current one. that would be my main concern there.

The sharks big problem is they cant score:

Offensively:
Schenn<boyle
JVR=clowe (maybe)
kell and kulemin are slght upgrades. however, I think its a wash offensively from today.

 

[filosofy29]

Some very good thoughts there and I could see both of those trades being realistic.

That said, I think that team would miss the PO's too. First, Kulemin and galiardi on the 3rd line is risky. neither has been good, at all, this year, with galiardi sucking two years straight. Putting him on a third line that expects 15+ mins could backfire. Also, Kulemin has obviously struggled with just 7 goals on the season, and that is playing some significant time with reasonable players. im just not sure that third line would produce enough scoring depth. Not to mention JVR is a big question mark, and if he struggles, the team would still be weak on O. Me too. Too many question marks to make the playoffs. JVR would be the biggest lynch pin to their playoff hopes. If Kulemin can even come close to hitting his career average (17 goals) that would help too. That said, I'm not sold on my team in the scenario above making the playoffs. I would have roughly $10+M I could add at the trade deadline though.

Even more troublesome would be the D. Aside form burns, they would have zero offensive threats. Vlasic is 0 offensively, schenn and stuart too. Demers and braun have shown flashes but neither has been even close to consistent. hell neither has 10 total NHL goals. (only 12 combined in several hundred combined games). Without boyle's offense being replaced, that team might score less than the current one. that would be my main concern there. My defense isn't much different from your defense when it comes to scoring goals. Suter has 7 goals and Schenn has 2 goals. Suter is more of a setup man on the PP. He's an assist guy who usually just throws it over to Weber for a one-timer or gets his shot on net. He also plays on a PP that has guys that go to the front of the net. The Sharks have zero net front presence. He averages 5.4 goals per year (or 6.2 goals per year if you exclude his rookie season). I'd be very nervous signing Suter to a $7.5M contract. I think if he came over here, he'd still be great defensively and could help with the transition, but I think his offensive stats would mirror Vlasics. I don't know much about David Jones or Tyler Bozak, but Hudler, Parentau and Johansson are not known for net front presence. I do like your defense better than mine, but I doubt that Suter puts up the same assist numbers here that he does in Nashville with no net front presence and no Weber to pass to.

The sharks big problem is they cant score:

Offensively:
Schenn<boyle Agreed.
JVR=clowe (maybe) Agreed. JVR has a much higher ceiling though. But as of right now, agreed.
kell and kulemin are slght upgrades. however, I think its a wash offensively from today. I think Kulemin could match McGinn's output from this season. Kelly has 18 goals which is more than 2.5 more than Moore + Handzus combined. He's also a very good skater. Galiardi would have to match Ferreiro/Wingels/Winnik/whoever else. I think he could do that when given decent linemates and an actual chance.

Bottom line, obviously, if your trade worked for Johansson and your signing of Hudler worked, I'd be all for it. I just don't see either of those happening realistically.

The team I built was more to give them a chance to make the playoffs in the short term.....but more to see what pans out once Stalock comes up and the big two were gone so that they could add pieces that were worth the $13.9M those two take up. I wasn't trying to win a cup with the team I assembled.