OFFICIAL OFF SEASON THREAD ( 2017 )

[saddles]

This is good news for Derek. If Cashier is worth that much Derek might get between $11-13 million plus his buyout from us.

 

[Kelleyman]

Cashner is likely more an innings eater than Dutch but price is a bit higher than thought but only one year

 

[saddles]

Cashner is likely more an innings eater than Dutch but price is a bit higher than thought but only one year

Derek went longer per start than Cashner did in 2016.

 

[saddles]

JD loves him some National League pitching and especially if they have pitched for the Cubs.

 

[Bmurph]

I think Cashner was on the radar for a couple years, always heard about him in trade talks. Glad it will only cost $, cause he sucks in the NL. Another project that someone in the organization probably thinks they can make better. Don't see it but who knows

 

[romeo212000]

 

[Duane1952]

Leave Bush right where he is at. In the bullpen.

 

[Kelleyman]

Bennie isn't the only one to disagree with the signing

 

[Kelleyman]

Derek went longer per start than Cashner did in 2016.

PLEASE I know Cashner has been injured too but Dutch has been barely on the field. What are the total innings. I am not a huge Casher enthusiast but you seem to be sour grapes on us not picking up Dutch option.

 

[saddles]

PLEASE I know Cashner has been injured too but Dutch has been barely on the field. What are the total innings. I am not a huge Casher enthusiast but you seem to be sour grapes on us not picking up Dutch option.

I am always sour grapes on replacing a pitcher with a worse one. He is not better because he pitched more innings while Derek was injured no more than he is better than Yu for the same reason.

 

[saddles]

Guzman is the only addition to the 40 man roster for Rule 5 purposes.

 

[scotsman1948]

Rangers pick up Tyler Wagner from the Diamondbacks

 

[saddles]

The nitty gritty from the Fangraphs article that was linked to above.

The optimistic view pointed to a league-high .330 BABIP and claimed some bad luck against Cashner, but a more realistic view saw declining stuff and an inability to generate as many swings and misses as mid-90s heat and a wipeout slider should. It only got worse in 2016. His command waned further, homers became a problem, and his already weak swinging strike rate dropped down to 7%. Petco Park has transformed into more of a neutral park over the last few years taking away a security blanket for Cashner. He posted sub-2.00 ERA totals at home in 2013 and 2014 to cover his pedestrian road work.


This past season he managed just a 3.63 ERA in Petco, but I’m not sure even a 1.63 would’ve effectively countered his 6.23 on the road. Dummies who refuse to quit Cashner (see also: Sporer, Paul) were slightly encouraged by a midseason trade to Miami for some reason.


“Ooh, he’ll be back in a pitcher’s park!”


“He’ll get to face Philly and Atlanta!”


“He won’t have to go to Coors regularly anymore!”


How’d all that work out?


He did post a 2.28 ERA at home with Miami, but two starts into his tenure with them he found himself back in Coors and it went as expected (5 IP/7 ER). He did get a four-start run of home-and-homes against Philadelphia and Atlanta in September and even though he opened the run with 5.3 scoreless against Philly, he still managed a horrific 6.06 ERA in the 16.3 innings of work. Who knew Atlanta would turn into the ’27 Yankees during the second half of the season?!


It’s hard to pluck anything good from Cashner’s 2016. He started behind in the count more often with a 56% first-pitch strike rate, his worst as a starter. Batters chased less often with a career-worst 27% O-Swing rate. Hell, they didn’t swing at all, relatively speaking, as his 43% swing rate was also the worst of his career.


He also lost nearly 1.5 MPH off of his fastball. Injuries returned, too. After a DL-free 2015, hamstring and neck issues cost him time when still in San Diego. His one plus pitch – the slider – was battered to the tune of a 1.078 OPS with San Diego, although he found it with Miami (.648) and just leaned on it (28% usage). There it is. There’s the one good thing about his season.


Cashner struggled to make it through lineups the second time around, let alone the third. His .695 OPS the third time through was his best (.801 first time, .969 second time), but even that feels like a mirage given the 1.4 K:BB ratio. The problem is that he often didn’t get to face the lineup a third time because of how awful the first two went. He faced an average of five batters a third time in 2016 compared to about eight in 2013-15.


Maybe it’s time to return to the bullpen for Cashner. Cut back to fastball-slider, add a couple ticks back on the fastball, badabing badaboom, he’s dominating again! OK, it’s probably not quite that simple. But relieving would also allow them to mitigate his exposure to lefties which have really become a problem for him. They are the primary source for his newfound home run issues, too. After allowing 13 homers to them in 2013-14, he’s allowed 25 the last two years.

 

[saddles]

Rangers pick up Tyler Wagner from the Diamondbacks

Not a bad pickup to put at AAA and hope something good happens. He had good numbers in the minors in 2015 and 2014. Not much playing time this year. He did have good numbers at the big league level this year in a very limited opportunity.

 

[donaldson79]

PLEASE I know Cashner has been injured too but Dutch has been barely on the field. What are the total innings. I am not a huge Casher enthusiast but you seem to be sour grapes on us not picking up Dutch option.

If nothing else, this signing and the lack of same for Holland shows you how little faith the organization has in Dutch bouncing back.

 

[saddles]

If nothing else, this signing and the lack of same for Holland shows you how little faith the organization has in Dutch bouncing back.

That is exactly what it shows you. In a few months we will see if they were right.

Holland>Cashner in 2017.

 

[donaldson79]

That is exactly what it shows you.

So that's why you gave me a "like" and a "winner" right? ha ha ha

I'm overwhelmed.....thank you.

 

[donaldson79]

So that's why you gave me a "like" and a "winner" right? ha ha ha

I'm overwhelmed.....thank you.

Fishing for compliments is always a dangerous proposition.

 

[DT LUNA]

Fishing for compliments is always a dangerous proposition.

Word of wisdom.....don't fish for anything you can't fry. lol

 

[donaldson79]

I've said this for two years, and I'm gonna say it one last time.

The Rangers should go to Darvish and gauge his interest in staying here, then make a concerted and fair offer.

If they think he's definitely wanting to test the FA waters, "and" they feel their chances of resigning him at slim, then find out what we can trade him for.

Frankly, 2017 with or without him isn't looking all that promising to me.