Official Mariners arm-chair GM offseason thread 2018-2019

[NWinAZ]

Another suggested trade idea from a Mariners site:

The Mariners trade SP James Paxton to the Brewers for OF Keon Broxton and SP Corbin Burnes

The immediate return for the Mariners is an MLB-ready center fielder in Keon Broxton.

Broxton is still looked on as a raw, high-ceiling talent going into his age-29 season, but his time could be running out in Milwaukee, as he hasn’t hit much in the majors (93 wRC+) over almost 800 plate appearances and is out of minor league options.

He projects quite well as a fourth outfielder, but in a deal for James Paxton, he should be on the table. That is particularly true as the Mariners may covet him in trade talks.

Broxton has four years of control left and is a great, perhaps elite, defender in center field. He takes his walks (10.9% career BB%), mixes great power (.200 ISO) with speed (29.7 ft/s sprint speed), and has actually hit LHPs well in the majors (111 wRC+) which is an area of the Mariners’ lineup that could use a boost.

If acquired, he would likely be handed the starting center field job.

MLB Comp: Keon Broxton at this point but maybe Melvin Upton Jr. (B.J. Upton era)

No offense to Broxton — starting pitcher Corbin Burnes (25) is the obvious headliner for the Mariners here.

Burnes was a top-50 prospect for Milwaukee and their #2 prospect coming into 2018. He eventually exhausted his prospect status as he shined in the majors during both the regular season and postseason, but he did so as a reliever.

Scouts have long recognized the possibility of this move, but the Brewers definitely haven’t settled on it, as they will have Burnes work as a starter again in 2019. However, he really struggled upon his promotion to AAA in 2018 when he posted a 4.96 ERA as a starter, but he and his bonkers spin rates may have had trouble adjusting to the thin air up in AAA Colorado Springs.

He carried a much more palatable 3.73 ERA in 41 IP as the visiting starter and his stuff looks as good as advertised. If acquired, he would have a shot to make the club out of spring training.

MLB Comp: (A healthy) Garrett Richards

 

[ulmax]

if they trade paxton....then they need an ace...or at least someone who can act like one...for now

while heredia( one of only five MLB OF GUYS.. with a 1000 fld pct)..is not broxton...niether one is cordero...and they still need to trade...gordon

 

[wazzu31]

I hear ya. There is no right answer or wrong answer probably at this point. This team is a mess and they insist on trying to put lipstick on a pig every year offseason.

In general the Mariners may not have the smartest fan base and that can be blamed on the on field product. However fans like us on this board aren't stupid enough to buy into this continue bullshit they sell every year. They can rebuild if they want to they just wont. The Tigers are the example I can bring up right now. They are stuck with Miggys contract and also Zimmermans contract. But that didn't stop them for recognizing who they were after being title contenders for 10+ years. They still sold Verlander, JD Martinez, Ian Kinsler, etc. Its never too late or too early to do the right thing.

Well that is where the Mariners are, outside of Haniger, they have a boat load of deadline guys like the Tigers did. And the baseball gods hate the club because they were in it this year. The World Series would be littered with Mariners right now had they been out of it. And the farm system would have been replenished enough where it would viable for us to stomach tanking it. Tanking right now would be unbearable because there is no future we can look forward to.

 

[wazzu31]

For what it's worth, Felix actually pitched much better at home than on the road in 2018. His ERA at home was 4.32 versus 6.97 on the road.

Trading Paxton isn't an awful idea. In addition to the possible regression in velocity, he has an extremely bad history with injuries and the older he gets, the worse that problem is going to plague him I'd suspect.

Trading Paxton isn’t an awful idea except the main problem with him is injuries. If Paxton can be healthy during the deadline his value is ten times what it is now. He is in the same as Felix back in the day where if he was available at the deadline he would get back the most prospects in baseball history. Had the Mariners not been pretenders this year they could have received at least 5 top 100 prospects for Paxton and Diaz and possibly more depending on Jerry. He could have received a better package from the Dodgers than they gave up for Machado too had they offered Segura once little Seager went down. They had a terrible season to be good.

 

[ulmax]

Trading Paxton isn’t an awful idea except the main problem with him is injuries. If Paxton can be healthy during the deadline his value is ten times what it is now. He is in the same as Felix back in the day where if he was available at the deadline he would get back the most prospects in baseball history. Had the Mariners not been pretenders this year they could have received at least 5 top 100 prospects for Paxton and Diaz and possibly more depending on Jerry. He could have received a better package from the Dodgers than they gave up for Machado too had they offered Segura once little Seager went down. They had a terrible season to be good.

these days ..all pitchers ..are injured a lot.....and TJ..is common....it wreck's the investment...for 18 months
and by then...often times the player is moving on..it happened to jerry twice..and right after trading for them...smyly and phelps..yeah we never saw the guys pitch here...that is bs

there should be some kind of compensation on lost prospects from that........kershaw is injured all the time as well
means ..nothing in the end.....it is how effective he is when he is there

cuz the dodgers have depth....they still win when he is not there...any team you send pax to would be the same

but back before the dodgers got depth..they would..cry.. when keshaw was injured as well.....lolhalol.ha.lol

 

[ulmax]

at any rate it does not deminish......kershaws value...he is still worth..what the best pitchers in baseball are worth

and so is paxton....so dont let a bunch of .....gypsy..... baseball guys ......say he is not

everyone always see's things from......there teams point of view.....whether it is good or bad
and they will......... gypsy you ...and then run down the street laughing

so you better have a good idea of the value...to....your team......and not get gypsy'd
on a trade like the milwalkee trade

 

[ulmax]

and dont under estimate the value of heredia either.....which everyone seems to do..as a defencive player..he is good
and hits better than broxton....he can and does hit HR's...not as many no....

but the mariners already have him..and he is younger than broxton...they just want to shove there problem on somone else and say it is good...when the mariners have no need on that..heredia is better

 

[ulmax]

also bishop is at AA..bringing up the backside...he could be at MLB next year...maybe
and if the mariners are going to trade paxton

then they are looking at two to three years...bishop will for sure be there by then

so you have to look at a time line as well...a bird in hand is worth two in the bush

a trade to phili is the best one i have seen...why??..gives them a guy who.... can be....
an ace now..and helps phili as well ..whithout hurting them hardly at all
for pivetta,irvin..L/L#10 on there pros list,gilbert.L/Lrelief AAA, and bailey falter .LHP..AA
that fills a lot of holes for the mariners and starts to create depth..with a trade for stephenson thrown in
this is what it would look like

pivetta..................from phili..25 yo
gonzales...LHP......................26yo
leake
leblanc...LHP
stephenson.....25yo....for maybe altavilla and art warren...i would throw in nicasio if they would take him....LOL..now im the gypsy..lol
elias.......LHP
ramirez

at tacoma
phelps.....hopeing they sign him
irvin....LHP...here is the depth.......FROM phili...24 yo
povse
whalen

festa
bradford
tyler gilbert..L/L......................from phili....24 yo
McKay
gartin
rumbilow

at aa
McCoughan
bailey.......LHP.....................from phili...21 yo
bannester
misiwicz....LHP
Ljay newsome/hutchinson

then trade gordan for cordero.L/L.he is 24 yo...

 

[ulmax]

wanting seattle's bull pen to look like

diaz
colome
armstrong
pazos.....LHP
tuivailala
elias........LHP
ramirez

which would leave
vincent
harnandez

left over

and a need for a utility guy/seager platoon
or trade seager to atlanta...lol...would dealing with seager be last i would say yes
and dealing with gordan first.

 

[ulmax]

if they did that.... bringing ...garcia and wells up to AA out of the bull pen..makes everything ...good
if not .........then trade them as well

 

[ulmax]

and when i asked for cordero i would ask for this guy as well

Ty France 25 3B
El Paso Chihuahuas

• Triple-A | Pacific Coast League
• MLB Parent Club: San Diego Padres

• Status: Active
• Full Name: Tyler Lawrence France
• Age: 24 (July 13, 1994)
• Birthplace: Downey, CA
• Bats/Throws: R/R Ht: 6' 0" Wt: 205
• Draft: Round 34 (2015, SD)
• School: San Diego State

 

[ulmax]

varry similar to franchy cordero

Seattle Mariners Trade Target: Outfielder Joc Pederson of the dodgers

Seattle Mariners: James Paxton Trade Profile, Be Creative With Lefty


More recently, the Astros dealt SP Joe Musgrove, 3B Colin Moran, RP Michael Feliz and OF Jason Martin to the Pirates for two years of SP Gerrit Cole.

which is close the the value of pax

 

[ulmax]

but franchy cordero is still developing/ and has an upside...where joc pederson pritty much is what he is

 

[Duders]

Fuckin A....……..Bo Sox take the series!! Alex Cora wins series as first year manager. Some day..………….Seattle has got to win the World Series. What a feeling that will be. Eat your heart out Mariners Organization.

 

[ulmax]

yeah ........that is really bad for dodgers though..to lose it two years in a row

raul ibanez..for manager

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Brian Bannister Vice President, Pitching Development/Assistant Pitching
Coach
for pitching coach


Title Name.......... dodgers
Vice President, Amateur & International Scouting David Finley
Vice President, International Scouting Ismael Cruz
Director, Player Personnel Galen Carr
Director, Amateur Scouting Billy Gasparino
Director, Research & Development Doug Fearing
Director of Specialized Performance Programs Eric Potterat
Director, Baseball Administration Ellen Harrigan
Director, Team Travel Scott Akasaki
Director, Baseball Development and Scouting Alex Slater
Director, Player Development Brandon Gomes
Senior Advisor, Baseball Operations Gerry Hunsicker
Special Assistant to the GM Pat Corrales
.............................................................................................
Special Assistant to the General Manager Raul Ibanez..or bench coach is ok too..lol
just to get him in line...ahead of time..............lol
................................................................................................

 

[ulmax]

if you trade seager ..lets say to atlanta for more minor league guys
then with cruz gone
paxton traded
gordan traded
and hernandez with only one more year
and maybe vincent traded as well

could you sign machado...???...and just paying him less the first year..??
with 37 home runs last year it would be like having cruz
and he is 26 yo
so it would solve the cruz and seager prob at the same time

and it would solve some problems in the line up as well

segura...ss
span.....LF........./L..or gamel here
haniger....RF
cano.........2b....../L

machado.....3b

healey.........1b
gamel........DH...../L..or vogelbach here..and maybe span traded as well...after you sign machado..but i dont like that..i like keeping span
zunino...........c
cordero.......Cf......./L.lets say they traded gordan for cordero

 

[ulmax]

ROTOworld says...2018 16 mil..2019 free agent
Manny Machado #8

• SS
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 3/185
• Age: 26

SummaryStatsChartsNewsAwardsSHOP

• Manuel Arturo Machado
• Nickname: El Ministro
• Born: 7/06/1992 in Miami, FL
• Draft: 2010, Baltimore Orioles, 1st rd.
• High School: Brito Miami Private School, Miami, FL
• Debut: 8/09/2012
• Relationship(s): brother-in-law of Yonder Alonso

 

[ulmax]

and if you did this
segura...ss
span.....LF........./L..or gamel here
haniger....RF
cano.........2b....../L

machado.....3b

healey.........1b
gamel........DH...../L..or vogelbach here..and maybe span traded as well...after you sign machado..but i dont like that..i like keeping span
zunino...........c
cordero.......Cf......./L.lets say they traded gordan for cordero


then if you trade leake, leblanc,and ramirez...for young pitching
then you have a hole new young team..and phelps hopefull coming by the end of the year..lol

with
segura
span
haniger
cano
haniger
the head liners...it would be an awsome line up...with total young pitching

but somewhere in there you would need to get a utility guy...and the last guy left would be hernandez...lol

 

[ulmax]

keeping the costs down .and giveing the mariners a good and better future


until i trade cano to miami...where he will throw in with jeter and own a piece of the team...lol

lolololol

 

[ulmax]

as the baseball turns...lol.......hot stove .......comming at ya