NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Shanemansj13]

Anyone siding with AB after years of evidence indicating otherwise are just doing this as an exercise

Yeah not trusting that looney, that's like trusting Kyrie x10. He could be right but very small chance

 

[shopson67]

May still be a solid #2 but I question that a little now.

So little dead money in his contract if cut, I have to think he's gone. I also think he's still a solid asset in the right offense. He could have a Cole Beasley type resurgence (or replace Beasley if the Bills want to dump him, similar dead money situation to Landry, but only half the salary).

 

[bksballer89]

And despite what Mike Florio said after the game about how teams may still be interested him......I don't think many teams will be interested based on his past history with teams.

Dallas would sign him immediately

 

[tlance]

Yeah not trusting that looney, that's like trusting Kyrie x10. He could be right but very small chance

Thing is, I have been very clear from the start that AB is in the wrong.

People making it seem like I am making excuses for what he did.

All I am saying is if there is an ounce of truth to AB’s side, Arians is wrong too.

And time will tell. Might not be until after the season that we really know.

But while it is true nobody is coming out and supporting AB’s side, I haven’t see anybody but Arians is refute it either.

 

[shopson67]

I'd trade Myles and Baker for Burro

Let's go

Here ya go...

 

[Shanemansj13]

Well, I don’t totally agree.

Garret and Watt aren’t truly untouchable.

Herbert and Burrow actually are untouchable.

There are a very small number of players in both the NFL and NBA.

In the NFL, a star QB on a rookie contract has unfathomable value. There is just no possible way to match it in a deal short of trading Herbert and Burrow for each other, which makes about 0 sense.

In the NBA, a budding superstar on a rookie contract is also untradeable. Just totally impossible to find anything close to equal value in a deal.

Sure young, star QB's are on a different level but that is a given. If you think the Browns would trade Garrett, Mayfield, and 1st's to RW, I don't know what to say. Like I said, RW is great but he is in no way comparable to Burrow or Herbert and I'm not even sure why it was brought up. So the point is in a realistic trade scenario with all things considered, yes Watt and Garrett are right there at untouchable and cornerstones of their organizations.

I mean what is a realistic scenario Garrett gets traded? It won't be for a non-QB position so then we look at QB's. No organization is trading a Burrow, Jackson, Herbert, Murray, Mahomes, Allen, etc. So that leaves middle aged, veteran QB's or older star QB's like RW, Ryan, Carr, Rodgers and obviously the Browns would not trade Garrett for Deshaun Watson with his recent history. I don't think Garrett would get traded for any of those guys and the closest would be Rodgers but he is 37. Then you have to take into the factors of Rodgers and does he want to be in Cleveland. Take all this into account and that's why Garrett is untouchable. It isn't just a simple I would trade Garrett for this player but that's not how it works in the NFL. So maybe in your terms he isn't untouchable but there is a reason star, future HOF edge rushers do not get traded in their prime unless there are internal issues, player asking for a trade, contract issues, etc. If one of those issues comes up then sure they would look to trade him but that's any player in these times.

 

[dtgold88]

So little dead money in his contract if cut, I have to think he's gone. I also think he's still a solid asset in the right offense. He could have a Cole Beasley type resurgence (or replace Beasley if the Bills want to dump him, similar dead money situation to Landry, but only half the salary).

He'll be asked to take a paycut. If he refuses he'll be released as no way we'll pay him $16 mil for what he can produce.....and, sure, he might want to leave.

I could see him still producing, especially if he's playing with a true #1. My guess is someone pays him around $8 mil or so.

 

[shopson67]

Props to Mayfield for getting surgery as soon as possible. It’s a shame Michael Thomas didn’t do what he should have done in the off-season to get on the field this year.

Soon as possible would've been week 3 if we want to give props...

 

[DJ Fieri]

Dallas would sign him immediately

Let them be burned.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Soon as possible would've been week 3 if we want to give props...

This.

LOL.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Sure young, star QB's are on a different level but that is a given. If you think the Browns would trade Garrett, Mayfield, and 1st's to RW, I don't know what to say. Like I said, RW is great but he is in no way comparable to Burrow or Herbert and I'm not even sure why it was brought up. So the point is in a realistic trade scenario with all things considered, yes Watt and Garrett are right there at untouchable and cornerstones of their organizations.

I mean what is a realistic scenario Garrett gets traded? It won't be for a non-QB position so then we look at QB's. No organization is trading a Burrow, Jackson, Herbert, Murray, Mahomes, Allen, etc. So that leaves middle aged, veteran QB's or older star QB's like RW, Ryan, Carr, Rodgers and obviously the Browns would not trade Garrett for Deshaun Watson with his recent history. I don't think Garrett would get traded for any of those guys and the closest would be Rodgers but he is 37. Then you have to take into the factors of Rodgers and does he want to be in Cleveland. Take all this into account and that's why Garrett is untouchable. It isn't just a simple I would trade Garrett for this player but that's not how it works in the NFL. So maybe in your terms he isn't untouchable but there is a reason star, future HOF edge rushers do not get traded in their prime unless there are internal issues, player asking for a trade, contract issues, etc. If one of those issues comes up then sure they would look to trade him but that's any player in these times.

Yeah, Cleveland isn't trading Garrett for RW.

Mayfield and a few 1sts? Sure. But, they'd be stupid to trade Garrett.

 

[tlance]

Sure young, star QB's are on a different level but that is a given. If you think the Browns would trade Garrett, Mayfield, and 1st's to RW, I don't know what to say. Like I said, RW is great but he is in no way comparable to Burrow or Herbert and I'm not even sure why it was brought up. So the point is in a realistic trade scenario with all things considered, yes Watt and Garrett are right there at untouchable and cornerstones of their organizations.

I mean what is a realistic scenario Garrett gets traded? It won't be for a non-QB position so then we look at QB's. No organization is trading a Burrow, Jackson, Herbert, Murray, Mahomes, Allen, etc. So that leaves middle aged, veteran QB's or older star QB's like RW, Ryan, Carr, Rodgers and obviously the Browns would not trade Garrett for Deshaun Watson with his recent history. I don't think Garrett would get traded for any of those guys and the closest would be Rodgers but he is 37. Then you have to take into the factors of Rodgers and does he want to be in Cleveland. Take all this into account and that's why Garrett is untouchable. It isn't just a simple I would trade Garrett for this player but that's not how it works in the NFL. So maybe in your terms he isn't untouchable but there is a reason star, future HOF edge rushers do not get traded in their prime unless there are internal issues, player asking for a trade, contract issues, etc. If one of those issues comes up then sure they would look to trade him but that's any player in these times.

I don’t think they would do that

But only because Russ is 33 and coming off a relatively bad season.

Had he still been playing like a pro bowler, Then maybe.

Even then, Baker + multiple picks would always be more likely.

 

[thunderc]

Soon as possible would've been week 3 if we want to give props...

Well I don’t think the team had a problem with him playing. If they did they didn’t have to play him.

 

[trojanfan12]

They'll get to NY then Ciara will divorce Russell and start dating some dude from Broadway.

But all jokes aside if he's putting family before anything else I won't bash him for it. Family should always come first.

Agree. I posted yesterday that sometimes, when players hit their 30's. There chosen destinations tend to become more about what their families want. From what was reported at the time, what his family wanted was a big part of why Lebron went to LA when, from a ready to win now perspective, there were teams in far better shape than the Lakers.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yeah, Cleveland isn't trading Garrett for RW.

Mayfield and a few 1sts? Sure. But, they'd be stupid to trade Garrett.

For a chance to win a Super Bowl now? Garrett doesn't have near the impact on winning that an elite QB would have.

 

[shopson67]

Well I don’t think the team had a problem with him playing. If they did they didn’t have to play him.

Sure, but his drive to play likely hurt the team.

 

[thunderc]

Sure, but his drive to play likely hurt the team.

No way to know for sure, give me a guy that will try every time

 

[DJ Fieri]

Agree. I posted yesterday that sometimes, when players hit their 30's. There chosen destinations tend to become more about what their families want. From what was reported at the time, what his family wanted was a big part of why Lebron went to LA when, from a ready to win now perspective, there were teams in far better shape than the Lakers.

And the Lakers still won!!!!

LOL.

 

[dtgold88]

Soon as possible would've been week 3 if we want to give props...

So you could rip him for giving up on the season when cleared to play?

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah, Cleveland isn't trading Garrett for RW.

Mayfield and a few 1sts? Sure. But, they'd be stupid to trade Garrett.

If they thought they could get HOF level Russ for 3-4 years? Of course they'd trade Garrett.