NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[dtgold88]

I think it's more the NFLPA suing the NFL and it will be more broad than Watson

Very true...might be more about "the next guy" than what happened to Watson.

 

[dtgold88]

when you look up the statistics that is not the case. name/colors/statistics stayed as part of the deal. Baltimore has no ties at all anymore with Ozzie retired now.

how Art Modell went broke owning an NFL team is jsut beyond me. lol.

Latter comment is so true. Even with the sweetheart deal in Bmore he still could not make a go of it.

 

[WiggyRuss]

They have zero farm to speak of and acquired a number of solid pieces. That’s all I was saying. Disagree on 6th or 7th. The Central is not good at all. Both the Cardinals and Brewers are overrated.
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well either the Cards or Brewers will win the diviison. The team that does not will fight with Philly for the last playoff spot.

the catcher they traded for Marsh is apparently pretty highly regarded. As I said- Keith Law thought they got bad value for him.

Marsh was actually a pretty well regarded prospect a couple years ago- but has just never figured out the strike zone. Guys that can play defense and cannot hit are pretty much a dime a dozen in the MLB minor leagues. Maybe Marsh will get it together- he is still young.

Syndeegard just never got his stuff back....80 IP , 64 k's is rough. AVerages about 5IP per start....not a bad ERA.....going from AL to NL so maybe he gets a boost there too- though the AL West is not exactly the best hitting division in baseball to say the least.

 

[dtgold88]

They paid a settlement right?

Yes...so did Watson.

 

[dtgold88]

And truth be told I can see a year for the egregiousness of his behavior and that it freezes his contract. It's a double whammy

But that's the max.

I'd prefer that for the Browns than, say, 12 games.

 

[fightinfunbags]

when you look up the statistics that is not the case. name/colors/statistics stayed as part of the deal. Baltimore has no ties at all anymore with Ozzie retired now.

how Art Modell went broke owning an NFL team is jsut beyond me. lol.

Statistics don’t reveal the path of the franchise.

 

[thunderc]

If they had all the leveragr they would give Watson a year. If they do that they are going to court, therefore, they don’t have all the leverage

You seriously think a court will intervene?

 

[dtgold88]

while I did not give much hope to a lawsuit in federal court- I have had other people tell me (lawyers) I talked to- not so fast on that.....since the Brady case a lot has happened with owner discipline....and that if they are not following their own rules- then a lawsuit could be successful as it calls for owners to be held to a higher standard in the actual black and white of the rules. also- that Watson's team would intend to throw so much shit around and show the disparate discipline and put what these owners have done in the limelight........

interesting strategy--- personally I dont know if it goes anywhere- but that does have to scare the SHIT out of the NFL. I guarantee you- Jerry Jones, Dan Synder and the guy in New England did not want the decision of the impartial federal judge appealed.

I have to believe there were a number of owners who wanted the league to just let it go and go with the 6 games.

 

[fightinfunbags]

well either the Cards or Brewers will win the diviison. The team that does not will fight with Philly for the last playoff spot.

the catcher they traded for Marsh is apparently pretty highly regarded. As I said- Keith Law thought they got bad value for him.

Marsh was actually a pretty well regarded prospect a couple years ago- but has just never figured out the strike zone. Guys that can play defense and cannot hit are pretty much a dime a dozen in the MLB minor leagues. Maybe Marsh will get it together- he is still young.

Syndeegard just never got his stuff back....80 IP , 64 k's is rough. AVerages about 5IP per start....not a bad ERA.....going from AL to NL so maybe he gets a boost there too- though the AL West is not exactly the best hitting division in baseball to say the least.

The catching prospect is blocked by Realmuto’s contract. Also, he’s a one year wonder. He’s a prospect that came out of nowhere to start raking against minor league pitching. He’s also a poor receiver. Phil’s sold high on him and filled a gaping hole in CF. At a minimum Marsh is a legit major leaguer. And Thor doesn’t need to be Thor anymore. He was traded for Mickey Moniak who has been given chance after chance and has failed. Thor is the 4th starter. He doesn’t have the same stuff but he’s no longer just a thrower. He’s more of a pitcher now that knows how to induce soft contact. His June and July starts have averaged 5.2 innings per start and he has a sub 4.00 ERA. That’s fine for a 4th starter. When Harper and Segura come back the Phil’s have the best lineup among the Cards Brewers and Phil’s and it’s not even close. The Brewers have a pitching edge for sure though. Cards are just meh.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Statistics don’t reveal the path of the franchise.

I do not know if you have TheAthletic- here is what Keith Law wrote about the Phils......I forgot about Micky Moniak in this deal!!!!!! Former #1 overall pick Mickey Moniak.....unreal

Phillies get: Noah Syndergaard and Brandon Marsh

Angels get: Logan O’Hoppe, Mickey Moniak and Jadiel Sanchez

This was technically two deals, Marsh for O’Hoppe, and Syndergaard for Moniak and Sanchez. Starting with the one-for-one swap, I mean, if I were a sarcastic sort of fellow, I might say that the Phillies trading Marsh means that they’ve discovered defense. I find the trade more interesting for the Angels, as Marsh was a homegrown position player, a rarity in that system, and still has some upside at the plate in both power and contact, although at 24 his window is closing. They swapped him for Logan O’Hoppe, a hard-hitting catcher from a Long Island high school who has gone from a 23rd-round pick to a possible everyday guy who is having a great season in Double A at age 22. He’s solid behind the plate, with little doubt he stays there, and should be a 15-20 homer guy with some on-base skills and high contact rates. I’d rather have O’Hoppe.

Syndergaard hasn’t shown his pre-Tommy John stuff or form this year, with velocity well below its 2019 levels on all of his pitches, less movement on his two breaking pitches and what at least seems like worse command. It might come back next year, but he’s a rental for the Phillies and is probably just rotation insurance in case Zach Eflin doesn’t return when eligible in late August. Moniak is a four-A guy at this point, a 24-year-old corner outfielder with fringy power and huge trouble hitting offspeed stuff, not doing enough damage against right-handers to even be a platoon guy. He’s going to play close to home, if that’s worth something. Sanchez has even less value, as he’s old for Low A and not hitting, while he’s limited to the outfield corners.

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Phillies gets: David Robertson

Cubs get: Ben Brown

Oh, the irony. The Phillies signed Robertson to a two-year deal before 2019 and got 6.2 innings out of him – not even good ones. He’s back, and the 37-year-old is having his best year since 2018, making up for lost velocity by using a cutter as his fastball, then going to that curveball for whiffs. I saw Brown pitch for High-A Jersey Shore a few weeks ago and was impressed by the Long Island native, as he’s got a 94-97 mph fastball that’s very hard for hitters to square up, with three secondary pitches but nothing above average year. He’s 6-foot-6 but doesn’t make full use of his height with his stride or extension, so there could be even a little something more to gain on that end.

 

[Wamu]

What the hell was he thinking? What a dumbass.

Former NBAer Iman Shumpert arrested at Dallas/Fort Worth airport. Cops say they found six ounces.

 

[WiggyRuss]

gotta say--- MLB draft can be a crap shoot....but Micky Moniak #1 overall is just brutal.....totally forgot about him.

 

[dtgold88]

Statistics don’t reveal the path of the franchise.

But the NFL kind of does.

 

[dtgold88]

I dunno if he actually"believes it". It's certainly the story he's gonna go with, though...

"It's not a lie if you believe it" - George Costanza

 

[dtgold88]

Like I said in the NFL thread, imo he definitely shoulda just owned it and accepted the original punishment. Now even the possibility of an indefinite suspension is looming, though IMHO that probably won't happen...

what was "the original punishment?"

 

[dtgold88]

True. Wondering how the organization is gonna handle this. Can they void his contract...?

Not even sure they would if they could. Either way, they plan to have him for 4-5 seasons in his prime.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I do not know if you have TheAthletic- here is what Keith Law wrote about the Phils......I forgot about Micky Moniak in this deal!!!!!! Former #1 overall pick Mickey Moniak.....unreal

Phillies get: Noah Syndergaard and Brandon Marsh

Angels get: Logan O’Hoppe, Mickey Moniak and Jadiel Sanchez

This was technically two deals, Marsh for O’Hoppe, and Syndergaard for Moniak and Sanchez. Starting with the one-for-one swap, I mean, if I were a sarcastic sort of fellow, I might say that the Phillies trading Marsh means that they’ve discovered defense. I find the trade more interesting for the Angels, as Marsh was a homegrown position player, a rarity in that system, and still has some upside at the plate in both power and contact, although at 24 his window is closing. They swapped him for Logan O’Hoppe, a hard-hitting catcher from a Long Island high school who has gone from a 23rd-round pick to a possible everyday guy who is having a great season in Double A at age 22. He’s solid behind the plate, with little doubt he stays there, and should be a 15-20 homer guy with some on-base skills and high contact rates. I’d rather have O’Hoppe.

Syndergaard hasn’t shown his pre-Tommy John stuff or form this year, with velocity well below its 2019 levels on all of his pitches, less movement on his two breaking pitches and what at least seems like worse command. It might come back next year, but he’s a rental for the Phillies and is probably just rotation insurance in case Zach Eflin doesn’t return when eligible in late August. Moniak is a four-A guy at this point, a 24-year-old corner outfielder with fringy power and huge trouble hitting offspeed stuff, not doing enough damage against right-handers to even be a platoon guy. He’s going to play close to home, if that’s worth something. Sanchez has even less value, as he’s old for Low A and not hitting, while he’s limited to the outfield corners.

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Phillies gets: David Robertson

Cubs get: Ben Brown

Oh, the irony. The Phillies signed Robertson to a two-year deal before 2019 and got 6.2 innings out of him – not even good ones. He’s back, and the 37-year-old is having his best year since 2018, making up for lost velocity by using a cutter as his fastball, then going to that curveball for whiffs. I saw Brown pitch for High-A Jersey Shore a few weeks ago and was impressed by the Long Island native, as he’s got a 94-97 mph fastball that’s very hard for hitters to square up, with three secondary pitches but nothing above average year. He’s 6-foot-6 but doesn’t make full use of his height with his stride or extension, so there could be even a little something more to gain on that end.

Phil’s likely value Marsh more than most. All season they’ve run out glorified minor leaguers in CF. They don’t need a great bat. The CF position has hit 7-9 all season. Anything they get from him at the plate is a bonus. Phil’s corner OF defense is a mess. Castellanos and Schwarber are both sub par defensive outfielders with limited range. A guy who can take charge in CF really helps their defense. They’re covered at the plate with Schwarber and Castellanos (starting to come out of his slump; the back of the baseball card never lies). A real loss was Harper’s elbow issue that will require off season surgery. It’s taken him out of RF and has made him exclusively a DH since late April.

Phil’s haven’t made the playoffs since 2011 and they went into the luxury tax. Phil’s ownership has drawn a line in the sand and the goal is playoff baseball. They are likely one and done once there but I think they’re solidly a playoff team if Segura and Harper come back in the next few weeks. The schedule helps as well because post All Star break almost half of their remaining 70 games at that time were against the bottom 5 of the NL. Pirates Reds Nationals Cubs and Rockies.

 

[dtgold88]

Jacoby Brissett can be a game manager as well.

Brissett actually is a game manager.

 

[fightinfunbags]

But the NFL kind of does.

Correct. You’re rooting for the Expansion Browns. The real Browns franchise is in Baltimore.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Brissett actually is a game manager.

Along with Baker Mayfield.