My current framing of the MJ vs LeBron debate

[trojanfan12]

Hard to say. Lebron was more physically gifted but also played in time where you cant touch anyone. Jordan played when guys could still rough you up and get away with it.

That's part of the reason that trying to definitively claim any 1 player is the GOAT is ultimately a fools errand. The game and the way it's played has evolved over time. Kareem, Magic and Bird played in an era that had, imo, the best mix of physical play and finesse.

MJ played in an era that was so physical, it sometimes only loosely resembled basketball. Lebron hasn't had to deal with the physicality of those earlier eras, but the players from those eras, with very few exceptions, were not as skilled as the players today.

 

[dtgold88]

So are the rest of the games. Hence "Load Management". And imagine LBJ trying to play under the Jordan Rules when he flops around like a soccer player every time the wind blows near him lol. Give me a break

MJ is a waif compared to Lebron and MJ also flopped. Don't kid yourself. But, sure, he also fell a lot as he was just weaker than guys who hit him.

 

[dtgold88]

Hard to say. Lebron was more physically gifted but also played in time where you cant touch anyone. Jordan played when guys could still rough you up and get away with it.

Let's not kid ourselves...Lebron gets hit pretty much every time he goes to the hoop.

 

[dtgold88]

Which is why he can admit what you apparently can't see for yourself.

It's simple...as good as both Magic and Bird were, the basis of how Lebron plays is the same style as theirs (pass first, setting up teammates, all around type game) only in a bigger, stronger and faster body with elite level defense thrown in. Magic and Bird were never elite defenders.

True but that was comical he said Bird not an egomaniac. Sure he was....often it was funny, though, like when he asked all the 3 point participants who planned to come in 2nd.

 

[dtgold88]

Bird and Magic played in an era when you could hand check on every play. When you could put a forearm in someone's back and root them out. In an era when it you took the ball to the hole, your ass was put on the ground, hard. When you could charge anywhere on the court instead of just in the paint. When there was no such thing as a flagrant 1 or flagrant 2. I'm not saying LBJ is a fucking scrub man, a million miles from it. What I am saying is that despite his size, he is soft as charmin and I do not believe for a second that he would have been as effective or could have played 20 years if he came up when they did. And I'm saying if MJ played in today's church coed rules game, he could have scored 50 a night easy

He couldn't be as effective with smaller, slower, less athletic guys in the league?

 

[UK Cowboy]

Think if you need to make up a narrative that should tell you something....but it wont.

Whatever dipshit

 

[UK Cowboy]

Many of those buddies likely agree MJ is the best but they are adults and think it's kooky talk to believe not even a discussion, sport.

Its not

 

[UK Cowboy]

MJ is a waif compared to Lebron and MJ also flopped. Don't kid yourself. But, sure, he also fell a lot as he was just weaker than guys who hit him.

Bullshit

 

[UK Cowboy]

He couldn't be as effective with smaller, slower, less athletic guys in the league?

Nope

 

[tlance]

MJ is a waif compared to Lebron and MJ also flopped. Don't kid yourself. But, sure, he also fell a lot as he was just weaker than guys who hit him.

I find it hilarious when people try to claim LeBron would have struggled in a more physical era.

LeBron is a ridiculous physical specimen.

Do people really believe this garbage they write?

 

[Wamu]

I find it hilarious when people try to claim LeBron would have struggled in a more physical era.

LeBron is a ridiculous physical specimen.

Do people really believe this garbage they write?

Haters tend to believe alotta silly things.

LeBron would be dominant in any era.

 

[dtgold88]

Its not

Yet here we are discussing it. Well, adults are....you are just comic relief.

 

[dtgold88]

I find it hilarious when people try to claim LeBron would have struggled in a more physical era.

LeBron is a ridiculous physical specimen.

Do people really believe this garbage they write?

I think this kid might but I'm hoping for his sake he's just messing with us.

 

[tlance]

I think this kid might but I'm hoping for his sake he's just messing with us.

No, he believes it. I am sure of that.

 

[trojanfan12]

I find it hilarious when people try to claim LeBron would have struggled in a more physical era.

LeBron is a ridiculous physical specimen.

Do people really believe this garbage they write?

I mean, if you hot tub time machined him into that era, he'd probably struggle initially because he didn't come up playing that style...but once he adjusted, he might be even better because most players in that era weren't as skilled.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Yet here we are discussing it. Well, adults are....you are just comic relief.

You're an idiot

 

[Jordan23]

I guess if you don't mind they are not nearly as talented, sure.

FYI, there was flopping "back in the day", too.

Flopping isn’t even in the same league as today. That’s a big reach

 

[Jordan23]

OK.....they call travels in a rec league and less flopping than college. Better than college?

NBA is flopping and soft ass players. Get bumped anywhere near their head and they are down rolling like they got skull fucked with a sledge hammer. I think the softness in today’s game is what hits me and the 1 dribble at half court 4 step Dunks. March madness is miles better.

 

[Jordan23]

Yeah....coaches never try to put together teams with all the best players in college.

Yep. Ya gotta love this forum.

Sorry not all college coaches are buying players like Calipari

 

[Jordan23]

You had play in team Miami last year?

Yes, pick out the one fluke year. Good work