My current framing of the MJ vs LeBron debate

[tlance]

They were not loaded with talent before Bird. That’s nonsense. They were terrible.

I didn’t say they were.

I said it only matters what they were after he got there.

They were loaded then.

Why would any player hold a franchise’s past against them when they are contending every single year?

 

[trojanfan12]

That's crap. Bird couldn't dunk like LBJ but was every bit as good. You're a fool

lol

Way to continue to show you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Apples to oranges. The All Star Game is very different from other games. It's taken less seriously than a preseason game. Much less seriously.

So are the rest of the games. Hence "Load Management". And imagine LBJ trying to play under the Jordan Rules when he flops around like a soccer player every time the wind blows near him lol. Give me a break

 

[UK Cowboy]

lol

Way to continue to show you have no idea what you're talking about.

And yet im right lol

 

[trojanfan12]

And yet im right lol

You haven't said a single correct thing yet. Bird himself would tell you you're wrong.

 

[Old Lion]

Hard to say. Lebron was more physically gifted but also played in time where you cant touch anyone. Jordan played when guys could still rough you up and get away with it.

 

[UK Cowboy]

You haven't said a single correct thing yet. Bird himself would tell you you're wrong.

Bird isn't an egomaniac like you or your hero LeBron

 

[trojanfan12]

Bird isn't an egomaniac like you or your hero LeBron

Which is why he can admit what you apparently can't see for yourself.

It's simple...as good as both Magic and Bird were, the basis of how Lebron plays is the same style as theirs (pass first, setting up teammates, all around type game) only in a bigger, stronger and faster body with elite level defense thrown in. Magic and Bird were never elite defenders.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Which is why he can admit what you apparently can't see for yourself.

It's simple...as good as both Magic and Bird were, the basis of how Lebron plays is the same style as theirs (pass first, setting up teammates, all around type game) only in a bigger, stronger and faster body with elite level defense thrown in. Magic and Bird were never elite defenders.

Bird and Magic played in an era when you could hand check on every play. When you could put a forearm in someone's back and root them out. In an era when it you took the ball to the hole, your ass was put on the ground, hard. When you could charge anywhere on the court instead of just in the paint. When there was no such thing as a flagrant 1 or flagrant 2. I'm not saying LBJ is a fucking scrub man, a million miles from it. What I am saying is that despite his size, he is soft as charmin and I do not believe for a second that he would have been as effective or could have played 20 years if he came up when they did. And I'm saying if MJ played in today's church coed rules game, he could have scored 50 a night easy

 

[trojanfan12]

Bird and Magic played in an era when you could hand check on every play. When you could put a forearm in someone's back and root them out. In an era when it you took the ball to the hole, your ass was put on the ground, hard. When you could charge anywhere on the court instead of just in the paint. When there was no such thing as a flagrant 1 or flagrant 2. I'm not saying LBJ is a fucking scrub man, a million miles from it. What I am saying is that despite his size, he is soft as charmin and I do not believe for a second that he would have been as effective or could have played 20 years if he came up when they did. And I'm saying if MJ played in today's church coed rules game, he could have scored 50 a night easy

lol

Keep going, you're doing great.

 

[Jordan23]

You are confusing the uncertainty and mayhem of a 1 and done tournament over quality.

March Madness is very fun.

But your quote was “college hoops is way better than this garbage”.

Talking about the quality of the NBA product. And this was in context with a discussion about quality of play.

You are just flat out wrong. Not even a defensible opinion.

NBA quality, lol. Yes they are all the best players in the world but the super team bs and lack of calls against them is a joke.

 

[dtgold88]

Nope. Dipshit kids who think everything going on in today's church league soft as charmin ruled games equals "the greatest ever". LBJ would have been MJ's bitch back in the day. LBJ lays on the ground and cries everytime someone touches him. MJ caught what would be flagrant 2's 4-5 times a game back then. They were known as common fouls lol. Rookie

Think if you need to make up a narrative that should tell you something....but it wont.

 

[dtgold88]

Today’s NBA shoots 3 ball all game which is great but no true post game anymore. I’m also tired of watching guys get bumped and they lay on the ground like they were shit with a 44 mag. I watch college hoops since it’s way better than this garbage

I guess if you don't mind they are not nearly as talented, sure.

FYI, there was flopping "back in the day", too.

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah the college game is way better. Much more skilled.

Ninja'd...kind of.

 

[dtgold88]

They call travels and March madness shits on the nba. Not as much flopping

OK.....they call travels in a rec league and less flopping than college. Better than college?

 

[dtgold88]

No it's not. MJ is the greatest player ever. KAJ, Magic, Kobe, Larry and LBJ all have a claim to 2nd. But MJ is the best, no matter how many posts you and your little buddies make

Many of those buddies likely agree MJ is the best but they are adults and think it's kooky talk to believe not even a discussion, sport.

 

[dtgold88]

NBA quality, lol. Yes they are all the best players in the world but the super team bs and lack of calls against them is a joke.

Yeah....coaches never try to put together teams with all the best players in college.

Yep. Ya gotta love this forum.

 

[dtgold88]

lol I’m betting you are a guy who played maybe elementary ball at best? Classic seeing dipshits try argue for the WWE nba over March madness where teams play team ball and upsets happen. NBA let’s build a super team that way next year everyone has a 90% chance of guessing what teams will meet in th finals, woohoo!!!!

You had play in team Miami last year?

 

[dtgold88]

Last night's all star game was an example of why you can't look at any stats from this era and do anything but roll your eyes. I could have scored 20 in that game. Most people can hit uncontested layups. LBJ gets praised for his longevity. He wouldn't have played 20 years if he came up in the 80s. Not a prayer. The game was so physical he would have been lucky to play 12 as soft as he is

Ok...at this point you have to be kidding, right? If you are then well played. If not........?

 

[dtgold88]

You are confusing the uncertainty and mayhem of a 1 and done tournament over quality.

March Madness is very fun.

But your quote was “college hoops is way better than this garbage”.

Talking about the quality of the NBA product. And this was in context with a discussion about quality of play.

You are just flat out wrong. Not even a defensible opinion.

Exactly...hell yes March Madness is great. Love days 1 and 2 more than the NBA playoffs (assuming not talking about a team I cheer for).